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[Mr Walker]

I agree with seeker that human sexuality is a large part and parcel of what we are. To deny it is foolish but to channel it into the most productive and positive forms is wise.
As a young person i developed lucid dreaming and obeing before puberty and used them in a non sexual way. Certainlyy i involved sexual activiries in my dreams once i hit puberty

But my basic principle is, "what happens in the "dream world stays in the dream world"  ie while we have a physical "obligation" to others in the waking world to do them no harm, we only have an obligation to ourselves in the dream world.

Ps to get your mind off women in the dream world, get it off them in the waking world. Use your mind and creativity. Read some books watch some tv/films/ games. Anything to create an alternative focus of your concentration. Try creating some alternative scenarios or stories based on your interests eg sci fi, mystery, western, action/ adventure. Be james bond, then you can have sex and a good story line as well.

After that you can work on more mundane realities which allow you to access the real world via obes.

Despite self relief on a regular basis, most young men tend to spontaneous erotic dreams, including lucid ones. Make the most of them. I tend to follow my basic ethics even in the dream world eg not to harm another, but you certainly have a lot more latitude in a world which you know is your own conscious creation, and in which every character is an avatar of yourself.

You might be pleased to know that, even over 60, I still have a lot of fun with all my lucid and controlled dreams, including some very interesting sexual ones. So this is not a phenomenum only for young men, although it is at its most intense then.

[MistyW]

Don't think so. Lucid dreaming does not = astral travel. But that doesn't mean you could probably find something with you to take with you in your journeys through the different astral realms and dimensions. Though you probably wouldn't need it.

[Sean93]

From my own Lucid dreaming experiences (I've been getting them as a child due to troubled sleeping), once you realise it's a dream, you'll be able to conjour up things, so long as you don't get excited (that'll rip you out of it in the early stages) I once jumped from car to car as if gliding, I used telekinesis to levitate leaves and all that jazz, it's fun and weird. I never have to try to get into a WILD lucid dream anymore but SP is a nusisance to me so I try and stay out of them.

Also, I once was in Sleep Paralysis on my bed and to get out of it, I shot through the ceiling on a jet pack. I don't know if any other Lucid Dreamers here have vivid dreams but my own are very vivid most of the time, especially the sounds....I've heard some weird **** int he night like the crying of babies around the house and I once dreamt of a road of skulls while half asleep when a car suddenly appeared and the wheel  crushed the skulls and ******* hell, the sound was SO loud and real...it was awesome. Kinda' important to note that Negative lucid dreams usually stem from my difficulty having to sleep (which is a lot of the time).

I also saw this awesome flash of blue light that had an electrical sound to it and this was while I was awake and staring at the wall, although judging from past experiences, I may have had a False Awakening - had one of those ****ers on Christmas Eve once so time felt as though it flew in instabtly - Awesome

[chopmo]

For starters why would anything of good power allow a weapon to be used. I don't really believe your claim to have to done it before as to how can you manifest something for bad whilst harnessing good energy, chances are while lucid dreaming you forced a simulation of projection such can be done through the rsg area of the brain (sub-concous). Egotistical items are bad to carry on your concious for starters.

and to be completely honest I don't understand why any of you posters find it necessary to hold a weapon at all whilst dreaming. you are already lucid dreaming, control the situation and disapate the bad energy allowing you to follow a positive path, hell use kenetic energy... you are dreaming right?. i have never have been or heard of someone being under attack while astrotraveling and doubt it is possible. it is a pagan tool of allowing to soul to travel on the energy plain of the world. pagan rituals do not allow materialistic hate mongering to use the power of good. hence i doubt you astrotravel at all with an attitude of such towards to the world.

if you don't find truth to any of that, why is it necessary to clear your mind whilst meditating, so your slave genes don't replicate the crap everyone is led to believe and cloud your true energy.

I am not discouraging the possibility of being able to do it at all, considering i do it myself. but have never "needed" materialistic items of pain to keep me safe, if you do not feel safe walk away if you can not face the situation.

[Kazahel]

chopmo, on 08 December 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

and to be completely honest I don't understand why any of you posters find it necessary to hold a weapon at all whilst dreaming. you are already lucid dreaming, control the situation and disapate the bad energy allowing you to follow a positive path, hell use kenetic energy... you are dreaming right?.

I guess its just a different method of doing that. So you might have a lucid dream of something attacking you which you could ignore/change/control into a 'positive' outcome. But a way to do this would be to simply kill it during the dream. If they use a weapon its just another method. In the end you get the same result, you controlled the situation for your positive outcome.

So I think its empowering either way(whatever methods you use) and I think attacking what attacks you just seems to flow more naturally. I dont really understand always having a weapon with you though but I can understand someone creating one, even if just for fun. I used to create them for fun in lucid dreams when I was much younger(to experiment).

I had a lucid dream once not too long ago(in 2009) where I told a dream character he was dreaming and could do whatever he likes. So he straight away used his finger as like a lazer sight and started running it up my leg. He was going to shoot me with his finger(lol cheeky bugger). So I jumped into the air and turned into black smoke and laughed at him. He couldnt shoot me cause I was smoke. So I couldve done anything to stop him but it wouldve pretty much been the same result.

[Mr Walker]

chopmo, on 08 December 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

For starters why would anything of good power allow a weapon to be used. I don't really believe your claim to have to done it before as to how can you manifest something for bad whilst harnessing good energy, chances are while lucid dreaming you forced a simulation of projection such can be done through the rsg area of the brain (sub-concous). Egotistical items are bad to carry on your concious for starters.

and to be completely honest I don't understand why any of you posters find it necessary to hold a weapon at all whilst dreaming. you are already lucid dreaming, control the situation and disapate the bad energy allowing you to follow a positive path, hell use kenetic energy... you are dreaming right?. i have never have been or heard of someone being under attack while astrotraveling and doubt it is possible. it is a pagan tool of allowing to soul to travel on the energy plain of the world. pagan rituals do not allow materialistic hate mongering to use the power of good. hence i doubt you astrotravel at all with an attitude of such towards to the world.

if you don't find truth to any of that, why is it necessary to clear your mind whilst meditating, so your slave genes don't replicate the crap everyone is led to believe and cloud your true energy.

I am not discouraging the possibility of being able to do it at all, considering i do it myself. but have never "needed" materialistic items of pain to keep me safe, if you do not feel safe walk away if you can not face the situation.

When i was a young child About 8 or 9, I had a  recurrent nightmare every night for a year   I walked along a winding path in a dense forest. At a fork in the path stood a forked tree and in the tree sat a wolf. Each night he jumped down and,  while still in the air, bit off my head and i woke up.

I had read a number of accounts of how to deal with dream threats and also seen a couple of films (the forbidden planet and one  I cant remember based on one of the books i had read) where the mind was used to defeat entities which attacked the mind /thoughts.) In the book the  father of the hero told his young son wh suffered from monsters in his dreams, "Son, imagine a 44 magnum and use it to destroy any dream attacker."  Later, as the captain of a star ship, the man used this technique to defeat an alien mental attack.

So next night, before i went to sleep I planned a lucid dream campaign. I took an automatic shotgun, walked into the forest from the opposite direction, and all the time knowing it was a dream came up behind the wolf as he perched in the tree waiting for me to come up in front of him. I said "Hi mr wolf "   Then as he turned around i added, "And goodbye," or something similar, and blew him out of the tree with the shotgun.

Now i knew the wolf was an avatar of my subconscious fears. I understood the symbolism of the  winding path, the dense impenatrable forest which left no avenue for escape, the  symbolism of the fork in the path and the forked tree, and how it represented a fork in my young life. I certainly knew the wolf was my own creation, as a symbolic construct of my subconscious fears. So, I deliberately eliminated my fear symbol in the dream, to eliminate it in real life and it worked.

By subconsciously and consciously slaying my fear, I eliminated it in my dreams and in real life.

Sometimes just arguing with a symbol of your consciousness does not work. Much earlier in life at 5 or 6, I had created a dream world for a child, with a whole realm to play in I had  a praetorian guard of huge rabbits dressed as centurions to protect me. The deal was i could not tell anyone in the real world about this dreamscape, but one day in the sand pit I blabbed trying to impress some friends. That night my guard turned on me and tried to shoot me ful of arrows. I just laughed and said, "You are my constructs you cant hurt me in my own dream"
. "True." the head of my guard said, "but you broke our deal and now you are banned from these realms."

I could never enter through the trap door at the bottom of our garden, to those realms again, after living in them every night for many years. My subconscious honour was too great, and I had to start a whole new set of realms more suited to an older child. (I believe this is actually why this confrontation occured. My subconsciuos had realised i had outgrown the childish realm of talking animals, elves, ogres, hobbits etc., and was pushing me to a  land more suited to a near adolescent child.

Edited by Mr Walker, 08 December 2012 - 09:08 AM.

[Mr Walker]

Ps the other night  I had a dream where i was flying about as usua.l Some govt agents wanted to capture me and use my power for the govt.

I flew for a long while but eventually my psychic energy dissipated and i came to the ground. They caught me and handcuffed me to a large dog. But I had anothe trick up my sleeve. In my dreams i can move my molecules through any solid object, so I dematerialised  my arm and moved it through the cuff. Then i walked out of the concrete compound i was in,  through the solid concrete wall By the time pusrsuit was organised I had left a false trail to confuse the dog, and escaped.

I decided i was geting too old to carry this power alone, so I went to my grand kids and taught them how to do it, The young girl was able to walk on a cushion of air above deep mud or water but her younger brother couldnt  maintain concentration and sunk into the mud a bit . When they got home their dad ( in the dream my son) asked what had happened. Of course they blabbed. He wouldnt believe them, but i told him he also had this ability. He still didn;t believe me, so i took hold of his head and pushed it gently throught the kitchen wall, dematerialising it as it went.

Later i took the kids up a tall mountain and taught them how to first glide and then  fly properly.


Next i was worried about  providing for the grandkids. I went throughthe wall of a rich collectors house into his safe and took out a very valuable(1930) penny Then i walked into his shop front and offered it to him for sale. He looked at it and said one side was a bit rough and only offered me a third of its value, about 250000 dollars. But i accpeted it. My conscience felt better because he had tried to rip m e off and I had managed to sell him a perfect penny which he already owned.
All the elements of this dream came from  real events or things in documentaries or movies i had seen in the last day or so.

[chopmo]

I don't understand why you quoted me as I have nothing to do with either your posts, the first one maybe some point to it being whats comfortable in your creation yes lucid holds no bounds, astro on the other hand is a tool not a personal keepsafe. but the second one, congrats you provided proof of lucid i did not say it cant happen. i question his astro traveling as something he created in lucid. the fact he is taking materialistic items makes no sence how a "cross over" could be achieved, which is still him being able to lucid dream. if you want to take a energy swords to mystic plains do it in lucid beat at your own creations demons at your own will but it will remain there you will not transend to fight amongst higher powers if you were required to do so you wouldnt be a human in the first place.

[Kazahel]

I can guess but I suppose I should bite my tongue.

[Marial-K]

I said it would be fun just to have.

[Mr Walker]

chopmo, on 08 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I don't understand why you quoted me as I have nothing to do with either your posts, the first one maybe some point to it being whats comfortable in your creation yes lucid holds no bounds, astro on the other hand is a tool not a personal keepsafe. but the second one, congrats you provided proof of lucid i did not say it cant happen. i question his astro traveling as something he created in lucid. the fact he is taking materialistic items makes no sence how a "cross over" could be achieved, which is still him being able to lucid dream. if you want to take a energy swords to mystic plains do it in lucid beat at your own creations demons at your own will but it will remain there you will not transend to fight amongst higher powers if you were required to do so you wouldnt be a human in the first place.

Unless you say , it is impossible to work out to whom you are replying/comenting each time but i will take this as, in part, a repsonse to me. I must admit i dont understand much of it.
For me, all product of the mind is the same product. Dreams, lucid dreams,  controlled lucid dreams, created landscapes, obeing mind reading, clair voyance, and, if it exists, astral travel.

I say if it exists, because unlike many of the other forms of travel which can be physically verified as real or proven to be unreal, astrlal travel takes one to a place where there is no way to prove a reality.  It may be a rael independent realm, or it may be simply a construct of the dreamers mind. I have traveled all over the universe and into realms of all sorts including what some might call astral. But I do not differentiate the astral realm fromm controlled lucid dreaming or even plainn old fashioned dreams of ghosts goblins, zombies, aliens ,pixies or heaven, because it is unverifiable. On the other hand, real time OBEing or clair voyance to any known part of the world/universe IS verifiable using simple methods.

[Marial-K]

Will if I cant do it from lucid dreams I dont know what to do sense I cant get sp

[Mr Walker]

kevink, on 09 December 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

Will if I cant do it from lucid dreams I dont know what to do sense I cant get sp

Oh you can do it starting from controlled lucid dreaming for sure. Ive never had sleep paralysis inmy life and never knew about it until i read about it on these forums OBEing and  astral travel as such dont require meditation sleep parlaysis etc only the abilty to retain conscious awareness while sleeping.

[chopmo]

kevink: like I said buddy if you want to do it in lucid go for your life, it's your demension. A couple of your other posts alarm me into the reasoning why, as alot I've seen from you wants to screw around with the higher powers. This is quite similar being a Justice of the Peace hanging around a bunch of Supreme Court judges claiming that you can do the work they do if you wanted to. It is a real scary hole to climb into hence everyone warning you. I know a lot of what I write seems like narcistical battering, in which is not my intentions. But my responses are due to family teachings which I have pretty much rewritten (more modified to enhance description) on what I am capable of doing/seeing/feeling, I don't command that you pay attention but more to take in mind of what is being said.
Astral is a realm usually the main use I can pin point is for comunication of the soul, quite possibly just down to regression without forcing everyone to attend, or traveling for the souls desire. I have been taken to alot of landscapes in which appear to be earth but the saturation of colour is more intense, like someone had been photoshopping with light effects, with 80% being of ruins and sites of usage that no longer are capable of having physical seeable ruins. To indentify sites you are more than likely going to need a geology degree, its not like its a list of co-ordinates and stats like we are terminator or something. By all means please proceed with astral but be sure on your reasonings on why you are being driven to fly with the souls. I get taken uninvolentry at the best of times but I am fully aware and know the difference between lucid, regression and astral. Once again the option is completely up to you in what you choose to do, but do you get why I am so curious on why you think you require a weapon on such a peaceful realm. It'd be much like taking a Shotgun to a regression session and trying to shoot your way through past lives, senceless. Biggest tip if you do not feel comfortable with the person you are talking to or in the situation inform them that they are making you feel this way, bad energy usually disapates for me once they realise I will not take part in damaging my own being. If they are there for you I find they do not take offence when being told this and explain themselves and/or purposes better. I have read a few things about regression on being able to ask for another guide if you feel off put by your current one, have not tried this as I have never got a point where I do not feel the need to be there. But quite a few different theories were refrencing that. I haven't had a guide or spirit follow me in astral, though I talk to a fair few "humans". Most of these times it has been reminising of a site once gone, but can never get the full information, this is more than likely due to my theory of astral being a shortcut to the regression realm and is more than likely an additional plain to this realm.

Mr Walker, on 08 December 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Unless you say , it is impossible to work out to whom you are replying/comenting each time but i will take this as, in part, a repsonse to me. I must admit i dont understand much of it.
For me, all product of the mind is the same product. Dreams, lucid dreams,  controlled lucid dreams, created landscapes, obeing mind reading, clair voyance, and, if it exists, astral travel.
I say if it exists, because unlike many of the other forms of travel which can be physically verified as real or proven to be unreal, astrlal travel takes one to a place where there is no way to prove a reality.  It may be a rael independent realm, or it may be simply a construct of the dreamers mind. I have traveled all over the universe and into realms of all sorts including what some might call astral. But I do not differentiate the astral realm fromm controlled lucid dreaming or even plainn old fashioned dreams of ghosts goblins, zombies, aliens ,pixies or heaven, because it is unverifiable. On the other hand, real time OBEing or clair voyance to any known part of the world/universe IS verifiable using simple methods.

[Bold Text] - All a product of your own creation, so yes do as you will as said many times before.
MrWalker - Traveling to complete different realms is a tricky situation because it does clash with alot of what I am trying to work on at the moment. Parralelle Universe theory, can go very far into the different aspects of its possibility and existance. It can both ways we can call these other plains "realms" or would it be classed as a different source of existance, which in itself makes the metaphsyics of the sub-concious a hard path to follow. Closest I have gotten so far follows hawkings idea of the plains being a mm apart from each other, where i extend to say the soul is merely a string attatched to the path hence assention is above. This is where i start to tear at my own vices, what sits at the top? is there a top? if so what order? why that order? does that effect regression into are you really going into your past life or that of your p.u. doppleganger's past lives? if so why are we taken to see such things? or is it none of the above and a complete different dimension in which we are only semi-capable (partially-capable imo) to comute to and/or exist in.
Which makes it hard because the p.u. theory is uliminited in infinity of creations as every decision and choice would split into another p.u.
But by logic must be in someway connected into having order of age/existance. I don't know why but this is one of my favourite things in the world to explore and understand, I don't understand why I have the passion but try take what I can from it.

just to think kevink if a spirit appeared in front of you with an energy sword/s? would you try attack it? now take it from the other prespective you finding a random soul in the mist of everything and make a wrong calculation and wrongly attack? what do you think a reprecussion of that would be?

Treat other onto how you would like to be treated. If it is actually us as beings traveling to different realms I don't think starting a all out war with someone you do not understand because of mispreception of your own devices would be a excuse willing to be heard considering the already intollerable arrogance we display as a race/species. <In relation to regression or astral

Edited by chopmo, 10 December 2012 - 05:20 AM.

[Mr Walker]

I simply dont know if you are a creative dreamer, chopmo or accessing something different but real.

I have travelled through the black hole at the centre of the universe into another universe. I have used a network of portals and communication lines to speed my consciousness all over the universe and "hitchhiked" in the minds/awareness of sentient beings of many forms on many planets and in space.

I have also created my own portals to access; pocket universes from quite tiny to extensive, alternative/parallel worlds and universes etc., and tapped into those of others to access a huge variety of landscapes .

BUT I can only physically verify the reality of things with independent evidences for them. eg the known world and  reasonably close parts of space.. All the rest is  possibly a creation of my imagination, wide and diverse as it is, given the huge amount of reading i do and my  proven ability to create huge worlds, both in dreamscapes and in writing many modules for dungeons and dragons which formed an entire planetary world.
But my proven ability to travel in real space and time, and observe real time landscapes, spacescapes and events, means that it is also possible that ALL my travels through space are genuine extensions of my consciousness.

It seems odd to me that, despite extensive travels and decades of obeing and lucid dreaming I have never encountered what others see as an ASTRAL realm. All the places I visit once my conscoiusness leaves my body and begins to travel are real, solid and functional, like earth, but different.

  The "astral" part is the ability of my consciousness to travel, to link with other consciousnesses, and to hitch a ride along the  neural networks of the cosmic consciousness, and into the minds of any  other sapient self- aware being in the universe which is also connected to the cosmic consciousness.