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[jesspy]

I think Pluto should come hit us just to get back at us. Pluto is a planet. lol

[TheSearcher]

jesspy, on 16 September 2009 - 08:20 AM, said:

I think Pluto should come hit us just to get back at us. Pluto is a planet. lol

Ok you get the name Mrs Smartypants       

[jesspy]

jesspy, on 16 September 2009 - 08:20 AM, said:

I think Pluto should come hit us just to get back at us. Pluto is a planet. lol

TheSearcher, on 16 September 2009 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok you get the name Mrs Smartypants       

lol




it works lol

[Emma_Acid]

Sharil, on 14 September 2009 - 03:40 PM, said:

But as far as I've been investigating about the subject I got the intuition that this is not fiction at all though there are many people in the Net trying to make us think so...time will tell, but probably too late to know by then.

Something tells me your critical thinking skills aren't up to much.

[Agent. Mulder]

jesspy, on 17 September 2009 - 08:42 AM, said:

it works lol

thats friggin awesome lol

[Mandrake]

Wearer of Hats, on 14 September 2009 - 06:32 AM, said:

*Head Desk*
*Head Desk*
*Head Desk*

SCIENCE DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

Your desk must be wrecked reading some of the posts here...haha  

[Mandrake]

digitalartist, on 15 September 2009 - 04:48 PM, said:

This of course explains why we can't see it, it's traveling too fast.

Can't beat logic....haha

[Mandrake]

Sharil, on 14 September 2009 - 03:40 PM, said:

You're could be right 747400 and TheSearcher, the description of Hercolubus is very similar to Nibiru or Planet X, it can be the same planet under several names, I'm sure there are more names for it...as Barnard for example.

But as far as I've been investigating about the subject I got the intuition that this is not fiction at all though there are many people in the Net trying to make us think so...time will tell, but probably too late to know by then.

Intuitive investigation? Huh?? Wassat?

[Torgo]

Quote

From the following link.

The formula used derive how much force two objects are applying on each other by gravity is F=G({m1*m2}/r^2), where G is the gravitational constant (6.67*10^-11) m^3 * kg^-1 * s^-2).

So, let us plug in the numbers:
F=G({m1m2}/r^2)
F=[6.67*10^-11 * ({1.8986*10^27} * {1.9891*10^30})]/(150,000,
000^2)
F=(2.51896*10^45)/(2.25*10^16)
F=1.1952*10^44 N/s

That's 119520000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Newtons of force every second between Nibiru and the sun at its orbit.

................

So how fast would an object the size of Nibiru, moving in an elliptical orbit, be required to be traveling in order to escape the sun?

The formula for escape velocity is Vsec=[2*G*M/r]^1/2, or, the square root of [2*G*M/r] where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass being dealt with, and r is the radius of a circle whose diameter is the distance between the objects.

Our G is 6.67*10^-11.
Our M is extracted from the N-M/kg from the first formula, so, 1.1952*10^44.
Our r is 1/2AU, so about 7.5*10^10 km.

Vsec=[2(6.67*10^-11)*(1.1952*10^44)/(7.5*10^10)]^(1/2)
Vsec=({1.5994*10^34}/{7.5*10^10})^(1/2)
Vsec=(2.2126*10^23)^(1/2)
Vsec=1.487*10^7 km/sec.

This means that Nibiru's escape velocity must be 14,870,000 kilometers per second.

To put this utter absurdity into perspective, this is NEARLY SEVEN TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT!

Sorry, but as an (among many other nerdinesses) astronomy nerd I have to take issue with this.  The math here is incorrect.

While the Herclobus nonsense is INDEED nonsense, the math presented here is fundamentally flawed in three ways.  First, SOMEHOW the mass of the sun was increased from around 2*10^30 kilograms by 14 orders of magnitude in the escape velocity calculation.  Second, the calculations were done with the radii (always found in the denominators) in KILOMETERS instead of METERS, increasing the figure of the force between them by a factor of 1,000,000 and the escape velocity by (1000)^(1/2).  Third, something terrible happened to the units in the force calculation - I'm not even sure what a newton per second even means.

Corrected calculations:

Force between them:  
F= G M1 M2 / (R^2)
= [6.67*10^-11 * ({1.8986*10^27} * {1.9891*10^30})]/(150,000,000,000^2)
=1.119*10^25 N = 11190000000000000000000000 N

Escape Velocity:  

VEsc = [(2*G*M1)/R]^(1/2)
=[2 * (6.67*10^-11) * (1.9891*10^30) / 150,000,000,000]^(1/2)
=42059 m/s = 42 km/s

The bad math jumped right out at me, sorry, I HAD to correct it.  One must always remain skeptical and think critically about what one reads - think about it, if something couldn't escape the sun at a distance of one AU, it would mean the sun was a black hole with at least that radius!

Very important to note though -this does NOTHING to lend credit to the Herclobus nonsense though - were something like this out there one could see it with their own eyes, possibly IN DAYLIGHT.

Edited by Torgo, 19 September 2009 - 06:09 AM.

[TheSearcher]

Torgo, on 19 September 2009 - 06:05 AM, said:

Sorry, but as an (among many other nerdinesses) astronomy nerd I have to take issue with this.  The math here is incorrect.

While the Herclobus nonsense is INDEED nonsense, the math presented here is fundamentally flawed in three ways.  First, SOMEHOW the mass of the sun was increased from around 2*10^30 kilograms by 14 orders of magnitude in the escape velocity calculation.  Second, the calculations were done with the radii (always found in the denominators) in KILOMETERS instead of METERS, increasing the figure of the force between them by a factor of 1,000,000 and the escape velocity by (1000)^(1/2).  Third, something terrible happened to the units in the force calculation - I'm not even sure what a newton per second even means.

Corrected calculations:

Force between them:  
F= G M1 M2 / (R^2)
= [6.67*10^-11 * ({1.8986*10^27} * {1.9891*10^30})]/(150,000,000,000^2)
=1.119*10^25 N = 11190000000000000000000000 N

Escape Velocity:  

VEsc = [(2*G*M1)/R]^(1/2)
=[2 * (6.67*10^-11) * (1.9891*10^30) / 150,000,000,000]^(1/2)
=42059 m/s = 42 km/s

The bad math jumped right out at me, sorry, I HAD to correct it.  One must always remain skeptical and think critically about what one reads - think about it, if something couldn't escape the sun at a distance of one AU, it would mean the sun was a black hole with at least that radius!

Very important to note though -this does NOTHING to lend credit to the Herclobus nonsense though - were something like this out there one could see it with their own eyes, possibly IN DAYLIGHT.

Fair enough, math at this level is not my best subject, so I didn't see the errors there. My bad, I didn't verify the numbers either. I write this down to laziness on my part, having to repeat over and over the same thing.
But like you say, this still does not validate the Hercolubuc nonsense in any way. It still is impossible.

[Essan]

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Bellus - and it's companion planet Zyra - yet?  

[TheSearcher]

Essan, on 21 September 2009 - 01:50 PM, said:

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Bellus - and it's companion planet Zyra - yet?  

Erm , isn't that from a 1951 movie? "When Worlds Collide", if memory serves.

[Black Red Devil]

Torgo, on 19 September 2009 - 06:05 AM, said:

Sorry, but as an (among many other nerdinesses) astronomy nerd I have to take issue with this.  The math here is incorrect.

While the Herclobus nonsense is INDEED nonsense, the math presented here is fundamentally flawed in three ways.  First, SOMEHOW the mass of the sun was increased from around 2*10^30 kilograms by 14 orders of magnitude in the escape velocity calculation.  Second, the calculations were done with the radii (always found in the denominators) in KILOMETERS instead of METERS, increasing the figure of the force between them by a factor of 1,000,000 and the escape velocity by (1000)^(1/2).  Third, something terrible happened to the units in the force calculation - I'm not even sure what a newton per second even means.

Corrected calculations:

Force between them:  
F= G M1 M2 / (R^2)
= [6.67*10^-11 * ({1.8986*10^27} * {1.9891*10^30})]/(150,000,000,000^2)
=1.119*10^25 N = 11190000000000000000000000 N

Escape Velocity:  

VEsc = [(2*G*M1)/R]^(1/2)
=[2 * (6.67*10^-11) * (1.9891*10^30) / 150,000,000,000]^(1/2)
=42059 m/s = 42 km/s

The bad math jumped right out at me, sorry, I HAD to correct it.  One must always remain skeptical and think critically about what one reads - think about it, if something couldn't escape the sun at a distance of one AU, it would mean the sun was a black hole with at least that radius!

Very important to note though -this does NOTHING to lend credit to the Herclobus nonsense though - were something like this out there one could see it with their own eyes, possibly IN DAYLIGHT.

Hahahaha.  CLASSIC !

[Sharil]

And here's a new one.

[Agent. Mulder]

Sharil, on 06 October 2009 - 02:33 PM, said:

And here's a new one.

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