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[SpiritWriter]

I had a thread a little while back contemplating weither or not this queen was possibly a goddess reference when described in matthew 12:42

My theory didn't go over to well but brought up interesting points in my opinion. I havent read this thread yet but im sure it too will be intetesting...

Here is the link:

http://www.unexplain...opic=238429&hl=

[Abramelin]

DieChecker, on 04 February 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

And not all theorys are equal. Every idea is NOT as good as every other idea.

Making a claim that alters the generally accepted timeline and requires basically a re-writting of history just to make some obscure esoteric idea work, is just not going to taken as seriously as something that operates within the timeline using accepted evidence.

You remember how Wegener's theory about continental drift was received?

And I actually read Salibi's book.

I will bet I am the only one here who did, lol.

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Edited by Abramelin, 05 February 2013 - 06:22 AM.

[Riaan]

DieChecker, on 05 February 2013 - 12:35 AM, said:

According to what I have dug up online. The Shepherd Kings were the Hyksos people of the 15th and 16th century BCE, 3500 years ago. So this would have been even before Jacob and Joseph by at least a couple hundred years. And the term Hyksos was actually misused by Josephus to mean "Shepherd Kings" when it meant "Rulers of Foreign Lands". And I already stated (previous post) how Josephus was political toward the end of his life and his last works should be regarded as such.

It is also suggested that the part of the Osarseph story where he changes his name to Moses was added later. That it was done as late as the 1st century.


I don't think that an Egyptian sending for aid from the Levant for military aid is a Unique occurance. History, legend and myth from both areas are full of accounts of wars between these regions and pacts and alliances.

Plus Osarseph was supposed to be a Rebel against Pharoah, while Geb & Shu would have been Egyptian Kings. So, not sure how those mesh together.

I'm far from an expert in history, but even with just a quick read of results from Google, I can see the issues you probably had to address in your book.

Yes, I do address many of these issues in my book. Josephus had access to many antique sources, as would Justin and Cheremon have had. It is easy to brush aside their accounts by claiming that they were politically motivated and therefore inaccurate. The other side of the coin is that as historians they may have tried their very best to present the most accurate account possible.

[DieChecker]

Riaan, on 05 February 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Yes, I do address many of these issues in my book. Josephus had access to many antique sources, as would Justin and Cheremon have had. It is easy to brush aside their accounts by claiming that they were politically motivated and therefore inaccurate. The other side of the coin is that as historians they may have tried their very best to present the most accurate account possible.

Which I understand, and is why I didn't just come out saying "Fake", "Stupid", "Wrong", as so many other posters here will.

Good luck with the book.

[Riaan]

DieChecker, on 05 February 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Which I understand, and is why I didn't just come out saying "Fake", "Stupid", "Wrong", as so many other posters here will.

Good luck with the book.

Thanks! I suspect it's going to be somewhat of an uphill battle, though!

[cormac mac airt]

Abramelin, on 05 February 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

You remember how Wegener's theory about continental drift was received?

And I actually read Salibi's book.

I will bet I am the only one here who did, lol.

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Abe, you're one of the few people here who reads Dutch so that's not much of a bet.

BTW, is the Dutch version you have online?

cormac

[Abramelin]

cormac mac airt, on 05 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Abe, you're one of the few people here who reads Dutch so that's not much of a bet.

BTW, is the Dutch version you have online?

cormac

No, it isn't as far as I know.

I am even thinking of copying the whole book to a pdf and then upload it to UM.

280 pages...... I'll be busy for many hours with my lousy scanner.

But then still you (and most others) can't read it.

Or can you?

And please don't say you will use an online translator, because it will make the text look like gibberish.

I use Google Translator a lot, but only for speed of translation: I have translated from French, Spanish, Dutch, and German, using Google Translator, but I corrected the Google mess using my knowledge of these languages.


I am Dutch, you know, and my country is just a pinprick on the globe. So we learn many languages.

We are surrounded by: the English, the Germans, the Belgians and the French. We just have to learn all these foreign languages if we want to trade.

And Spanish I learned during my half year stay in Peru, and by following a course here in the Netherlands..



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Edited by Abramelin, 05 February 2013 - 09:16 PM.

[cormac mac airt]

Abramelin, on 05 February 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

No, it isn't as far as I know.

I am even thinking of copying the whole book to a pdf and then upload it to UM.

280 pages...... I'll be busy for many hours with my lousy scanner.

But then still you (and most others) can't read it.

Or can you?

And please don't say you will use an online translator, because it will make the text look like gibberish.

I use Google Translator a lot, but only for speed of translation: I have translated from French, Spanish, Dutch, and German, using Google Translator, but I corrected the Google mess using my knowledge of these languages.


I am Dutch, you know, and my country is just a pinprick on the globe. So we learn many languages.

We are surrounded by: the English, the Germans, the Belgians and the French. We just have to learn all these foreign languages if we want to trade.

And Spanish I learned during my half year stay in Peru, and by following a course here in the Netherlands..



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That's okay, don't put yourself out on my account. While English is my native language I spoke German until I was 5, have taken both Spanish and Latin and get the gist of most 'romance' languages I come across even though I may not be fluent. I was just interested in having a copy to peruse if there was one.

cormac

[Abramelin]

But can you read Dutch?

Just say YES, and will do my best to put the Dutch edition online.

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Edited by Abramelin, 05 February 2013 - 09:38 PM.

[cormac mac airt]

Abramelin, on 05 February 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

But can you read Dutch?

Just say YES, and will do my best to put the Dutch edition online.

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I have no training in Dutch, so no. And it's not necessary for you to go through the trouble since I'm not sure it would be of much use to most English speaking peoples anyway. While I'm certainly not the norm as far as languages, many never learn anything more than English and sometimes I have to wonder about that. But I do appreciate the offer.

cormac

[TheSearcher]

Abramelin, on 05 February 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

But can you read Dutch?

Just say YES, and will do my best to put the Dutch edition online.

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YES .....

[Abramelin]

TheSearcher, on 06 February 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

YES .....

Gawd..

[TheSearcher]

Abramelin, on 06 February 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

Gawd..

Well you did offer........

[Abramelin]

I know.

OK, but it will take a lot of time.

[TheSearcher]

Abramelin, on 06 February 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I know.

OK, but it will take a lot of time.

Dude, I'm just joking, don't worry. Just gimme the exact title of the book, I'll find it