LucidElement Posted July 24, 2014 #1 Share Posted July 24, 2014 An Air Algerie flight carrying 116 people from Burkina Faso to Algeria's capital disappeared from radar early Thursday, according to the the plane's owner. Air navigation services lost track of the Swiftair MD-83 roughly 50 minutes after takeoff from Ougadougou, the capital of Burkina Faso, at 9:55 p.m. ET Wednesday, the official Algerian news agency said. That means that Flight 5017 had been missing for hours before the news was made public. LINK: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/24/air-algerie-plane-reportedly-disappears-from-radar/ What is going on in the air all of a sudden?? This is crazy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FollowTheTrail Posted July 24, 2014 #2 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Why is this happening? Oh gosh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted July 24, 2014 #3 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) There seems to be a level of pressure in the airline industry that is causing pilots to make some pretty questionable decisions - maybe because they feel their job performance is in question if they cost the airline dollars by refusing to fly in bad weather, changing routes that cost time, petrol and thereby passenger satisfaction with performance, or delaying flights due to questioning the flight worthiness of the plane. I don't know, I'm speculating and I'll admit that up front but I get a real sense of this in these events. Edited July 24, 2014 by libstaK 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 24, 2014 #4 Share Posted July 24, 2014 News update at 14:02: Air Algerie says the aircraft's passenger list includes 50 people from France, 24 from Burkinabe, eight from Lebanon, four from Algeria and two from Luxembourg; one Belgian, one Swiss, one Nigerian, one Cameroonian, one Ukrainian and one Romanian - Reuters. Minute by minute updates http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28465010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 24, 2014 #5 Share Posted July 24, 2014 "I can confirm that it has crashed," the Algerian official told Reuters, declining to be identified or give any details about what had happened to the aircraft on its way north. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/24/uk-algeria-flight-idUKKBN0FT0YC20140724 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah65 Posted July 24, 2014 #6 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Tragic. Condolences to all the families. Tons of conspiracy theories out there about this stuff....must have a shovel full of salt with them. What I have heard is that it went down due to weather...guess we will soon find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 24, 2014 #7 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Tragic. Condolences to all the families. Tons of conspiracy theories out there about this stuff....must have a shovel full of salt with them. What I have heard is that it went down due to weather...guess we will soon find out. Plus they are using old planes, types that other countries have 'retired' from use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: Posted July 24, 2014 #8 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I certainly won't be travelling by air anytime soon. It's safer to play russian roulette at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 24, 2014 #9 Share Posted July 24, 2014 News update at 14:02: Air Algerie says the aircraft's passenger list includes 50 people from France, 24 from Burkinabe, eight from Lebanon, four from Algeria and two from Luxembourg; one Belgian, one Swiss, one Nigerian, one Cameroonian, one Ukrainian and one Romanian - Reuters. Minute by minute updates http://www.bbc.co.uk...africa-28465010 Ah thank you, I was sure that there'd be material for a conspiracy theory somewhere. One Ukrainian eh? I think there were... yes, there were two Ukrainians on Mh370, weren't there ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted July 24, 2014 #10 Share Posted July 24, 2014 A WestJet plane landed safely at Toronto Pearson International this morning after engine troubles... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 24, 2014 #11 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Crikey, it's coming to something when "a plane landed safely" is news ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 24, 2014 #12 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I certainly won't be travelling by air anytime soon. It's safer to play russian roulette at this point. It's actually much safer than driving to work every morning, but carry on. Breaking from Fox: A French Ministry of Defense official tells Fox News that a missing Air Algerie flight with 116 people aboard has crashed in Mali, and that two French fighter jets have located the wreckage. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/24/air-algerie-plane-reportedly-disappears-from-radar/ Cue the shoot down conspiracies in 3.2.1.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 24, 2014 #13 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's actually much safer than driving to work every morning, but carry on. Breaking from Fox: A French Ministry of Defense official tells Fox News that a missing Air Algerie flight with 116 people aboard has crashed in Mali, and that two French fighter jets have located the wreckage. http://www.foxnews.c...ars-from-radar/ Cue the shoot down conspiracies in 3.2.1.... Maybe someone will, but, an old plane, bad weather.. makes more sense. besides, who in that region has anything capable of shooting it out of the sky? If that was true - heck, there'd have been more planes downed over the years From the BBC The scheduled route of flight AH5017 goes over Mali, which saw a military coup in 2012. Unrest involving both Ethnic Tuareg separatists and al-Qaeda-linked militants is continuing in the north of the country. However, a French official quoted by AP said it was unlikely that either party had access to weaponry that could shoot down a plane. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28465010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilliman Posted July 24, 2014 #14 Share Posted July 24, 2014 http://www.weather.com/news/missing-plane-africa-algiers-burkina-faso-20140724 Crash located in Mali. I fear there are no survivors if they located and aren't speaking about the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 24, 2014 #15 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Maybe someone will, but, an old plane, bad weather.. makes more sense. besides, who in that region has anything capable of shooting it out of the sky? If that was true - heck, there'd have been more planes downed over the years From the BBC The scheduled route of flight AH5017 goes over Mali, which saw a military coup in 2012. Unrest involving both Ethnic Tuareg separatists and al-Qaeda-linked militants is continuing in the north of the country. However, a French official quoted by AP said it was unlikely that either party had access to weaponry that could shoot down a plane. http://www.bbc.co.uk...africa-28465010 I was thinking more along the lines of someone saying that the French fighter jets shot it down because _______ (fill in the blank). Maybe there was one AIDS researcher on board that they didn't get last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 24, 2014 #16 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I was thinking more along the lines of someone saying that the French fighter jets shot it down because _______ (fill in the blank). Maybe there was one AIDS researcher on board that they didn't get last week. Fidel Castro's niece, Mariela Castro was said to have been onboard, tho she later tweeted she wasnt and is very much alive http://rt.com/news/175264-algeria-plane-crash-ah5017/ Plus they also say...they havent located the crash scene yet.. but other reports say they have.. gotta love the news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 24, 2014 #17 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Fidel Castro's niece, Mariela Castro was said to have been onboard, tho she later tweeted she wasnt and is very much alive http://rt.com/news/1...e-crash-ah5017/ Plus they also say...they havent located the crash scene yet.. but other reports say they have.. gotta love the news! It's the 24 hours news cycle for you. It would be interesting to compare its rise with the promulgation of conspiracy theories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilliman Posted July 24, 2014 #18 Share Posted July 24, 2014 CNN just had breaking news on the tv that debris has been spotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilliman Posted July 25, 2014 #19 Share Posted July 25, 2014 http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80887040/ Looking like no survivors and possibly weather related. RIP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted July 25, 2014 #20 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Just to add: 18 years of age for an MD-83 (as AH5017 was) is not old (32,000 cycles). The oldest flying MD-83 is a stately 36 years old (operated by Ryanair). Age is of little relevance in aircraft safety - it just costs more to maintain them to renew their Airworthiness Certification (including Regulatory Authorities Statutory upgrades). I would go with the bad weather scenario - cumulonimbus "thunderhead" clouds can be massive in that part of Africa, and appear very quickly. If you are already in the air and your flightpath heading is into such a storm then you would definitely request permission for a course deviation. Had Air Traffic Control been made aware of a storm buildup when the flight - plan was approved then it would have been rejected for this type of aircraft. Weather hazards are constantly updated and available to pilots / navigators in - flight, from ATC which probably happened hence the deviation request. Airlines have no control over ATC, or their instructions so it is not a case of airlines trying to save money. 2014 is turning out to be one of the worst years for fatalities from civil aircraft loss, but it wont stop me from flying on commercial airlines. I have taken 160 flights, through my work, in the last 12 months and not even a hint of a problem (except for a DVT about a year ago). Our thoughts are with family and friends of those who perished... Edited July 25, 2014 by keithisco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordorOrc Posted July 25, 2014 #21 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The airline infrastructure in that part of Africa isn't as well developed as elsewhere. It's likely they didn't have any information prior to takeoff and were only made aware of the situation during the flight, likely through the pilots checking their weather radar. The NTSB will have a lot on their plate to deal with as they're already involved with MH17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeWitz Posted July 25, 2014 #22 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'm not sure, but I don't think the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board gets involved in all foreign air mishaps and accidents. I believe the NTSB is in Ukraine by invitation. In any event, it is a tragic cluster of accidents and incidents of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted July 25, 2014 #23 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Still the safest way to travel.... Crikey, it's coming to something when "a plane landed safely" is news ... I suspect the comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Could be wrong, though, I"m not a mind-reader (wish I was, hehe) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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