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#1516    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:00 PM

What I found interesting about Egypt beside their architecture and symbolism is their science. Sadly I know little about it. I research only about one sphere-healthcare. And that its full of mysteries to me. I hope one day we would open a thread for ancient achivements in science. And Im not talking about physics, math and chemistry.
Seems to me that they were fully developed in some fields. I wonder did they had palaentology, archaeology, geology, biology, botany, aquatic botany, zoology,ecology, anthropology maybe, maybe statistics, geography, economy, history, psychology, criminology perhaps, study of languages, seismology, nutrition, optics, meteorology, oceanography, geodesy or acoustics.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

Homer wrote that Egyptians invented medicine. Clement of Alexandria who lived around 200 spoke about  Egyptian medical books written by Thoth.. Sadly we dont have any of 42 Thoths books. Manetho claimed that Thoth wrote 36.525 books. Now thats interesting and probably more accurate then Clement number since he consider that Thoth is one person. I believe that Thoth was profession. Scribes. Wise writters. Thats why Thoth is God of scribe and wisdom and his female companion Seshat. I would return to Seshat later. I also read once how priests of Sekhmet were amazing healers. Also Herodotus wrote how Egyptian doctors were specalized.
“The practice of medicine they split up into  separate parts, each doctor being responsible for the treatment of only one disease… some specializing in diseases of the eyes, others of the head, others of the teeth, others of the stomach, and so on…”.
Egyptian doctors were trained in Pr Ankh or House of life. They used propolis as antiseptic and we used till 20 century. Milk and honey is used for respiratory. Crocodile dung was used for preventing conception. Now I wonder how that end up due all disease that you can get from it.
Personally I believe that Seshat, Godess of wisdom and scrolls, enjoyed in hemp. I belive that sign above her head is hemp leaf.Many buildings in todays Cairo was built from hemp. It was harder material then concrete. At El Amarna in Akhenaten tomb we found Hemp rope. Diodorus wrote that Egyptian woman used it against sorrow. Canabis was use among Celts,Norse, Scythians,Chinese,Egyptians. Today hemp was banned because it would destroy cotton wood and plastic industry. Seshat nick name was Mistress of the House of Books. Pharaoh Tuthmosis III called her Sefkhet-Abwy (She of the seven points).
Egyptologist Georg Ebers in 1873 in Luxor buy medical scroll from 1500 BC which is now known as Papyrus Ebers. In scroll we can found over 700 magic formulas. Some researchers conclude based on Papyrus Ebers that Egyptians saw mental illness same as physical because it spoke about depression. Ebers papyrus spoke about gynecology and pregnancy, digestive problems, eye diseases, dentistry, skin issuses, surgeries, tumors, burns and how to set bones after they breaks. In same papyrus we found benefactory use of hemp. There is many others papyrus such as Edwin Smith from 1500 BC, Ramesseum III from 1700 BC, Berlin from 1650 BC. They all mentioned use of hemp.
We also know that Egyptians used hemp ropes so obviously hemp was very spread in AE.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

Temple of Kom Ombo instruments

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

View Postthe L, on 08 December 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

What I found interesting about Egypt beside their architecture and symbolism is their science. Sadly I know little about it. I research only about one sphere-healthcare. And that its full of mysteries to me. I hope one day we would open a thread for ancient achivements in science. And Im not talking about physics, math and chemistry.
Seems to me that they were fully developed in some fields. I wonder did they had palaentology, archaeology, geology, biology, botany, aquatic botany, zoology,ecology, anthropology maybe, maybe statistics, geography, economy, history, psychology, criminology perhaps, study of languages, seismology, nutrition, optics, meteorology, oceanography, geodesy or acoustics.
Perhaps that so many of the examples you quote end in "ology", to an extent answers the question. Though they never had individual sciences in the way we group then now. Their approach was holistic and religious. Look at Pliny, he covered many of those subjects, yet would not have used any of those names to describe himself. I think applying names was for artisan skills, sculpting for instance, what we now call the sciences would not have had a specific name. The AE conducted what we now call archeological digs looking for the tomb of Osiris, though none of them would have seen themselves as an "archeologist" whose purpose was to uncover and describe the past through it's remains. It is an interesting subject though, and in light of the Antikythera mechanism alone, needs much research and thought. And of course precisely how AE built Great Pyramid.

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 08 December 2012 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

View PostShadowSot, on 26 May 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

There's a thread or two on this. Short answer, no.

No it's true.  The last thread was wrong.  It was proven by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval.  They did a computer simulation and proved it.  Many other modern scientists concur because the GP could only have been constructed with advanced technology.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

No it's true.  The last thread was wrong.  It was proven by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval.  They did a computer simulation and proved it.  Many other modern scientists concur because the GP could only have been constructed with advanced technology.

lets get the facts straight - hancock and bauval were wrong about the belt stars and the great pyramid.

the belt stars of orion are in no way a representation of the great pyramid.

another mystery dealing with the great pyramid may be involving me and the rejected stone of the builders that jesus talked about.

im the first to rediscover the secret of the great pyramid and yet i find it quite possible i may be part of a prophency regarding the great pyramid.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

View Postsamspade, on 08 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

lets get the facts straight - hancock and bauval were wrong about the belt stars and the great pyramid.

the belt stars of orion are in no way a representation of the great pyramid.

another mystery dealing with the great pyramid may be involving me and the rejected stone of the builders that jesus talked about.

im the first to rediscover the secret of the great pyramid and yet i find it quite possible i may be part of a prophency regarding the great pyramid.


I can't wait to see your work on this.

There are too many mysteries here for there to be only a single secret, I believe.  I know
we don't all agree on the number of mysteries or their nature, but there are countless un-
answered questions suggesting a significant number of causes.  It's very easy to see our
own life in song lyrics or ancient writing and some of what's going on now could have been
predicted long ago.  Unless you find details it might be a good idea to hold such things at
arms lenght.

As always, best of luck.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

View Postthe L, on 08 December 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

What I found interesting about Egypt beside their architecture and symbolism is their science. Sadly I know little about it. I research only about one sphere-healthcare. And that its full of mysteries to me. I hope one day we would open a thread for ancient achivements in science. And Im not talking about physics, math and chemistry.
Seems to me that they were fully developed in some fields. I wonder did they had palaentology, archaeology, geology, biology, botany, aquatic botany, zoology,ecology, anthropology maybe, maybe statistics, geography, economy, history, psychology, criminology perhaps, study of languages, seismology, nutrition, optics, meteorology, oceanography, geodesy or acoustics.

I've only realized recently that I've got enough evidence and deduction to start reverse
engineering how their science was invented.  They had pretty much all the things we have
now but some of their fields would be very much different. For instance in optics everything
they knew could be written on a single page and most of it was learned through the refrac-
tion of light through water.  "Ecology" is largely the rediscovery by modern man that all life
on earth is interrelated.  This was probably the very basis of most ancient science or to say
it another way it was almost more metaphysics rather than science.  

It's likely to be a while before I feel confident enough to write a post on the subject.

Edited to add that it appears "knowledge and writing" is a poor translation for Thot.  A better
one would be "human progress".  The books of Thot were something analogous to an encyclo-
pedia.  If we had a scrap of one of these it would look a lot like all their writing.  The "Book of
Thot" might have been a compilation of the knowledge a scientist or craftsman would need
everyday and would be analogous to "The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics".  If we had a
scrap of this it would likely be lists and tables.

Edited by cladking, 08 December 2012 - 03:53 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

View Postcladking, on 08 December 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I can't wait to see your work on this.

There are too many mysteries here for there to be only a single secret, I believe.  I know
we don't all agree on the number of mysteries or their nature, but there are countless un-
answered questions suggesting a significant number of causes.  It's very easy to see our
own life in song lyrics or ancient writing and some of what's going on now could have been
predicted long ago.  Unless you find details it might be a good idea to hold such things at
arms lenght.

As always, best of luck.

ty clad for luck,

but none is needed,

in fact i dont think its my chance i got dragged into this mystery, perhaps fate, or subconscious mind.

and yes, there are a few things at play in the great pyramid, as well as at the plateau.

needless to say, they will be force later to reach my conclusions but i am well ahead of them,

i been ask to remain silent, not that i am in any group.
but i tend to believe perhaps later i be the one who blows it open/

but  if dont its because it will be because i feel its  the right thing to do, im a professional but that does not mean i feel a spirtual connection somehow. things are maded me believe there is more to this life than making a fortune one this mystery.

regards

Edited by samspade, 08 December 2012 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:11 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

No it's true.  The last thread was wrong.  It was proven by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval.  They did a computer simulation and proved it.  Many other modern scientists concur because the GP could only have been constructed with advanced technology.

But what is "advanced technology"?

I've no doubt that whoever built the GP did so with a great deal of ingenuity and innovation. It cannot be done simply with manpower alone - the Hollywood version of gangs pulling on ropes makes no sense at higher levels where there wasn't the space.  However they did it, it still eludes us, but I bet it was as simple as it was clever.  No complex machines, no aliens, no time travellers, no paranormal interventions, no magic, no levitation.

Just very, very clever human problem solving and organisation and a lot of hard work, block by block..  Does that count as advanced technology?  I think it does.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:12 PM

View Postcladking, on 08 December 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

I've only realized recently that I've got enough evidence and deduction to start reverse
engineering how their science was invented.  They had pretty much all the things we have
now but some of their fields would be very much different. For instance in optics everything
they knew could be written on a single page and most of it was learned through the refrac-
tion of light through water.  "Ecology" is largely the rediscovery by modern man that all life
on earth is interrelated.  This was probably the very basis of most ancient science or to say
it another way it was almost more metaphysics rather than science.  

It's likely to be a while before I feel confident enough to write a post on the subject.

Edited to add that it appears "knowledge and writing" is a poor translation for Thot.  A better
one would be "human progress".  The books of Thot were something analogous to an encyclo-
pedia.  If we had a scrap of one of these it would look a lot like all their writing.  The "Book of
Thot" might have been a compilation of the knowledge a scientist or craftsman would need
everyday and would be analogous to "The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics".  If we had a
scrap of this it would likely be lists and tables.

Ecology-I dont know about this. I mean Egyptians last long. They obviously knew about eco system because if they dont they would vanished soon then they were.
Take example of Vikings on Grenland. Or Khmers and their Angkor Wat in Camobodia. They vanished in 15 century due their complex canals of drinkink water, water for corps, and toilet water. Those canals were not checked often. Because of the canals they have had drinkin water, fine crops and clean city. Population suddenly become larger and garbage become larger. Garbage started to shutting toilet canals and toilet water created small lakes which start entering directly into clean water canals. Plus earth become filthy and with help of rain that filthines eneter the rivers and underground tanks from where we often get drinking water. So diseases spread and they vanished. If they knew better about ecology they wouldnt.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

Clad do you know principle of Reflexology? Some suggests that AE preformed this. I can provide more info on it. It just theory but amazing.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

View Postthe L, on 07 December 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Then what do you say about this below. Could it be that Auriteans were in fact Auliteans? Atlanteans were foreigners to Egyptians.



Auriteans is the name given by the ancient writer Manetho to the first kings to rule over Egypt during the “reign of the gods”. R. Cedric Leonard comments on this on his website and in his books(a)[130][131].

“Plato described Atlantis as being ruled by ten kings before its demise. Egyptian king-lists going back thousands of years before Plato (we will look at one example here) establish four important facts, which we should note:

Egyptian tradition begins with the “reign of the gods”
In all there were ten of these so-called “god-kings”
They were said to have reigned in a foreign country
From all appearances they were called “Atlanteans”
This last statement will be challenged by scholars, so let’s take a closer look at the Egyptian king-lists. One noticeable fact is that Manetho (250 B.C.) calls the first series of kings who ruled during the “reign of the gods,” Auriteans. This seems to be nothing more than a corruption of the word “Atlantean”. Let me explain.

Egyptian hieroglyphics only approximate real sounds: for instance, a hieroglyphic “k” must be used to represent the hard “g” sound. The hieroglyph that Manetho transcribed as r can equally be transcribed as an l. Thus the “Auriteans” of Manetho’s king-lists could just as well be “Auliteans”: phonetically almost identical to “Atlanteans”. This idea obtains credible support from the fact that the ancient Phoenician historian Sanchuniathon (1193 BC) calls these very same kings “Aleteans” [714]( B). Isn’t it likely that Aleteans=Atlanteans?”

In spite of this valiant attempt to equate the Egyptian king lists with the kings of Atlantis, it must be pointed out that the ten Atlantean kings noted by Plato were brothers and so reigned concurrently over different part of the empire, whereas the king lists cited by Leonard relate to kings that reigned successively.

http://atlantipedia....ples/auriteans/

See cormac's Post 1514 for a more level-headed explanation for the derivation of Auriteans (e.g., =Eritrea).

For one thing, consider the source. Cedric Leonard is neither an historian nor a reliable researcher. He is instead an avid Atlantis advocate and believer in ancient aliens, so that pretty much defines the level of his credibility.

The mytho-historical period during which the gods are said to have ruled is preserved in fragments in monuments and texts like the Palermo Stone and Turin canon. I have no idea where Leonard got the idea that such documents say the gods "reigned in" a foreign country. Indeed, the very concept would be alien to the minds of ancient Egyptians, whose gods were purely and solely of the Nile Valley. It's a silly notion.

The information on hieroglyphs is flawed for the most part. They do not approximate real sounds but very much represent real sounds, namely consonants and weak consonants. The hieroglyph for "K" (V31), a basket with handle, does not represent a "G" but, of course, is sounded as a "K" as in the word "keep." The hard "G" sound (as in the word "go") is represented by the jar stand (W11). They're two completely different glyphs representing two different and distinct sounds in the ancient language. That the "L" sound can be represented with the "R" glyph is true, in the manner I explained in my previous post. All in all, however, it's clear Leonard does not understand ancient Egyptian scripts, so you obviously should neither trust in nor rely on his interpretation of the subject.

Finally, consider the fact that Manetho was not even writing in his own native Egyptian language. His work, Aegyptiaca, was commissioned either by Ptolemy I or Ptolemy II in the third century BCE. These were Macedonian kings living Greek lifestyles in the land of Egypt, and promoting all things Greek. Manetho was writing in Greek for a Greek audience.

Leonard's Lego linguistics in trying to pretend he knew what Manetho was thinking, or even what his sources may have been, do not stack up to reality. I would dismiss the entire line of thinking.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:29 AM

Thanks Kmt. You and cormac are helpful as always. And many others.
What do you thinl about my post 1517 and One of seven points being hemp?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:55 PM

102 pages in, and we still haven't reached any convincing conclusions here... despite the input of the very best minds the internet can throw up... :whistle:

Orthodoxy spouts the usual threadbare, unproven tombs theory and the alternatives offer tantalising - sometimes entirely reasonable - interpretations that sadly lack a vital smoking gun.

No wonder the Sphinx still has that smug, enigmatic look on its face after 4500 years.










Or should that be 12,500 years? :w00t:





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