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#166    Agent. Mulder

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 06:34 PM

View Post0011235813, on 27 February 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

Well I guess we will never know for sure unless we find the real thing.

You cant find something that doesnt exist.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 06:41 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 06 March 2011 - 06:34 PM, said:

You cant find something that doesnt exist.
Can you definitively prove it doesn't exist?
No, I didn't think so.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 07:21 PM

View Post0011235813, on 06 March 2011 - 06:41 PM, said:

Can you definitively prove it doesn't exist?
No, I didn't think so.

By that faulty and silly logic, orcs are real. Unicorns are real. Peter pan is real.
But, you cant disprove a negative. How can i disprove, something that isnt real? Can you prove orcs dont exist? How silly is that?

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 01:28 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 06 March 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

By that faulty and silly logic, orcs are real. Unicorns are real. Peter pan is real.
But, you cant disprove a negative. How can i disprove, something that isnt real? Can you prove orcs dont exist? How silly is that?

But, on the other hand, you can't say for definite that something doesn't exist. The chances might be negligible but there is still a very small chance that anything that can be imagined could exist somewhere.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 01:41 PM

View PostSetton, on 07 March 2011 - 01:28 PM, said:

But, on the other hand, you can't say for definite that something doesn't exist. The chances might be negligible but there is still a very small chance that anything that can be imagined could exist somewhere.

No. Theres not a small chance. Thats bad logic and just wishful thinking.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 03:30 PM

I guess Vampires may exist in the form of some fools who either like to practice Fantasies or in the form of some Delusional Psychopaths...Apart from that I dont think these creatures may actually exist and after what Stephenie Meyer has portrayed in the Twilight series,even the little image that Vampires had has gone down the drain LOL especially the idea of the Vegetarian Vampires!!!

Edited by Spacelover, 07 March 2011 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2011 - 03:38 PM

View Post0011235813, on 06 March 2011 - 06:41 PM, said:

Can you definitively prove it doesn't exist?
No, I didn't think so.


As Mulder already stated, no one can prove a negative. The heart of the issue here is that while these stories have been around for supposedly thousands :rolleyes: of years, there is not one tangible piece of evidence that suggests they are real. Therefore, any reasonable person would be willing to give temporary agreement that they do not exist. Yes?


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Posted 07 March 2011 - 04:02 PM

Let's just look at it -

Common definition of "vampire" is a human being that is killed and because of the infusion of blood from a "vampire" they are once again "alive".

As soon as the human body dies it begins to deteriorate and decompose.  The electrical signals in the brain fade and stop.  The organs do not function.

So - how is this magical blood circulated?  (Not to mention how or why does this blood work.)  If the person isn't dead, how does this magical blood make it through the digestive acids?

What restarts all the organs?  

Unless the "FM*" idea is brought into play, human biology and chemistry would be evidence AGAINST anything like this.

Now - "Psy-Vamps" - we've discussed in other threads that there is no evidence to support the idea that one person can "suck" the energy from another.  Again, human biology and chemistry argue against this as there is no mechanism in the human body to "suck", store or process this energy much less evidence to show that this "energy" exists.

So I think the argument AGAINST a vampire of any sort (other than lawyers and politicians) is quite strong.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 04:31 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 07 March 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

Let's just look at it -

Common definition of "vampire" is a human being that is killed and because of the infusion of blood from a "vampire" they are once again "alive".

As soon as the human body dies it begins to deteriorate and decompose.  The electrical signals in the brain fade and stop.  The organs do not function.

So - how is this magical blood circulated?  (Not to mention how or why does this blood work.)  If the person isn't dead, how does this magical blood make it through the digestive acids?

What restarts all the organs?  

Unless the "FM*" idea is brought into play, human biology and chemistry would be evidence AGAINST anything like this.

Now - "Psy-Vamps" - we've discussed in other threads that there is no evidence to support the idea that one person can "suck" the energy from another.  Again, human biology and chemistry argue against this as there is no mechanism in the human body to "suck", store or process this energy much less evidence to show that this "energy" exists.

So I think the argument AGAINST a vampire of any sort (other than lawyers and politicians) is quite strong.

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You can't bring someone back from the dead. You don't know wether a vampire is actually dead. The detail's of such a being are difficult, if you know what I mean..
anyway, why do you always say "Nibs" at the end of your post's, just wondering.

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#175    Agent. Mulder

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 04:36 PM

View Post0011235813, on 07 March 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

You can't bring someone back from the dead. You don't know wether a vampire is actually dead. The detail's of such a being are difficult, if you know what I mean..
anyway, why do you always say "Nibs" at the end of your post's, just wondering.

IMO, its their sig. More or less.

But ill let Nibs elaborate.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 04:45 PM

View Post0011235813, on 07 March 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

You can't bring someone back from the dead. You don't know wether a vampire is actually dead. The detail's of such a being are difficult, if you know what I mean..
anyway, why do you always say "Nibs" at the end of your post's, just wondering.


I do understand what you mean, that's why I posted what definition I'm working with "undead blood-drinker".  :)  I find that the term vampire has been redefined so many times in the recent decades that it can mean anything from an "undead blood drinker" to a minor role-player.

But for the old definition of reanimated corpse - nope.  Doesn't exist.  As to other definitions, I'd have to read what the term "vampire" meant.

I sign "Nibs" out of habit.  :)  It's part of my UM name.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 04:48 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 07 March 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

IMO, its their sig. More or less.

But ill let Nibs elaborate.


*hugs* hey handsome!


Yup, its my sig and it's easier than typing Anastasia Beaverhausen.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 05:12 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 07 March 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

No. Theres not a small chance. Thats bad logic and just wishful thinking.

Would you like to elaborate how this is bad logic?

Simple fact: we do not know everything there is to know.
Therefore: there is an extremely small chance it could exist and we just haven't discovered it yet.

It's hardly wishful thinking; I don't believe vampires exist and I'm glad of it.

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
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#179    Agent. Mulder

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 05:16 PM

View PostSetton, on 07 March 2011 - 05:12 PM, said:

Would you like to elaborate how this is bad logic?

Simple fact: we do not know everything there is to know.
Therefore: there is an extremely small chance it could exist and we just haven't discovered it yet.

It's hardly wishful thinking; I don't believe vampires exist and I'm glad of it.

Its pretty wishful thinking, that ANYTHING that pops out of ones imagination, has a small chance of being here, but remains undiscovered.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 05:27 PM

View PostSetton, on 07 March 2011 - 05:12 PM, said:

Would you like to elaborate how this is bad logic?

Simple fact: we do not know everything there is to know.
Therefore: there is an extremely small chance it could exist and we just haven't discovered it yet.

It's hardly wishful thinking; I don't believe vampires exist and I'm glad of it.


I think we are back to the "define vampire" issue.

:D  Heck, we could go with "undead, drinks blood and can turn into a bat or mist" definition.

I think I'm on pretty solid ground with biology and physics don't work that way.

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