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[Sweetpumper]

I'm hearing the pastor was an ex-con gangbanger and shouldn't have had guns at all.

[Sweetpumper]

Laws.  Pffft.

[RavenHawk]

The latest says that Nehemiah got a common .22 hunting rifle and shot his mother while she was sleeping, then his three siblings.  The report says that he was pi$$ed off at his mother and he shot the children because they were crying.  He then got the AR15 and waited 5 hours for his father to come home and that's when he was shot.  The fact that an AR15 was used had nothing to do with it.  He then used his phone to take a picture of his mother and sent it to his girl friend.  He was going to load up all the weapons he could in the car and go somewhere to have shootout with the police and ended up at church where he surrendered.

On a back story that is developing, the father ran a half-way house on the property but there are claims of mistreatment of those staying there.  No heat was provided and electricity was always being shut off.  I wouldn't call it mistreatment but it does kind of prove what I said about him being a strict authoritarian.  Neighbors stated that they heard the shots but thought that it was a drive by.  The area is like a heavily populated rural area, so there are plenty of fields to shoot in.

[Sweetpumper]

He sat in the Walmart parking lot for an hour, deciding whether to go in or not, then drove to the church.

[RavenHawk]

Mag357, on 22 January 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Killings happen everyday with street gangs or motorcycle gangs who obtain weapons illegally but that doesn't
get much front page news because it's a common occurrence. But something like Sandy Hook then the
Media is swooping down on it influencing the public to scream gun control.

Deaths by firearms is really quite small compared to other causes, but we never hear about legislation to prevent heart attacks or initiatives to register cancer.

Below is just a selection of causes of death from the National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 61, No. 6 (2011).

http://www.cdc.gov/n...1/nvsr61_06.pdf (Table2)
All Causes: 2.5 million
Heart Disease: 778K
Influenza and pneumonia: 53K
All other diseases (Residual): 288K
Accidental, Auto: 34K
Accidental, firearm: 851
Suicide, firearm: 19K
Suicide, other 18K
Homicide, firearm:  11K
Homicide, other: 4K
Drugs: 40K
Alcohol: 26K

Homicide (including firearm) appears in top 10 of ages from 1-44 but does not appear for all ages (table 7).  This makes this stat misleading.  Just because it is third on the list doesn't mean that it is prominent as far as numbers go.  The MSM is in the business to make money and if they can stir up controversy then they can pay their bills.  There is nothing wrong with that as long as the viewer knows this, but it seems that a majority of people get caught up in the sensationalism.

[RavenHawk]

Sweetpumper, on 22 January 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

I'm hearing the pastor was an ex-con gangbanger and shouldn't have had guns at all.

Yes, he was an ex gang member that *found GOD* and got his life together and gave back by volunteering his time helping others.  I haven't heard if he was an ex felon but just about every home in the South Valley has some kind of firearm.  It's just another tool in the tool box.  But as friendly and motivated Greg was, he had his rough edges.   I'm hearing testimonies of this from many many people that knew him.  It was clear that he was an individualist.  And that's what I'm getting at.  For many, it is hard dealing with this kind of personality.  I grew up with such personalities.  I would view his personality as one closer to that of the Founding Fathers.  People today can't deal with that and some may snap.  In this case, it was his son.  This is the root of the problem of our society today.  Too many are getting caught up in the Socialist nanny state and we are losing our individualism.  Only another individual can handle and deal with an individual.  It's not guns in our society but the basic fiber of our nation that is the problem.  In order to stop this gun violence and save our nation, we need to return to individualism.  Only the individual is responsible for his actions and when you are responsible, you don't do such things.

"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise—with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country."

[Sweetpumper]

RavenHawk, on 22 January 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

I haven't heard if he was an ex felon but just about every home in the South Valley has some kind of firearm.

If I lived in the South Valley, I'd certainly have more firearms in my house than I do now.

[Sweetpumper]

During Tuesday’s press conference, Bernalillo County Sheriff Dan Houston said Nehemiah Griego possibly started planning the fatal attack a week in advance and may have also plotted to kill his 12-year-old girlfriend’s parents.  Investigators believe Griego told his girlfriend about his plans.  That young girl is now under investigation and could be facing charges.

Apparently dad was not an ex-con.

[RavenHawk]

Sweetpumper, on 22 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

Investigators believe Griego told his girlfriend about his plans.  That young girl is now under investigation and could be facing charges.

This goes in the "Say WhaaaaaT?" category.  How is a 12 year old going to discern what the plans of a 15 year old is?  If we forced our junior high schoolers to report when they're told that another one is planning to kill their parents, our jails would be full of kids.

[ColoradoParanormal]

There wasn't an assault rifle used in the Sandy Hook incident, so to make a comparison saying "Another Assault Rifle Used in School Shooting," would be a down right fallacy.

[ColoradoParanormal]

See, exactly what I said, an Assault rifle was never used in the Sandy Hook shooting.

http://video.today.m...208495#50208495

[Beckys_Mom]

ColoradoParanormal, on 23 January 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

See, exactly what I said, an Assault rifle was never used in the Sandy Hook shooting.

http://video.today.m...208495#50208495

That's the trouble with conflicting news reports..  Thanks for sharing the video.. I would be interested to hear more on that as it unfolds...

Interesting as it was mentioned in the  news video, that there are tighter gun laws in Connecticut, and the gun man  ( Lanza ) was denied a riffle in Dec before the killings..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 23 January 2013 - 05:00 PM.

[Hawkin]

Darn Libs

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[WickfordCully]

Americans, I like to think of myself as a normal middle aged British citizen and during my forty odd years on this planet I have never seen a real gun, handled a real gun nor do I know any family member or friend who owns a real gun. When I say seen of course I have seen Police carrying them at airports I am talking about privately owned weapons. Of course there are firearms in the British Isles and some of these are illegal but there has been a recent trend for criminals to turn to tazers rather than firearms due to the long jail terms linked to firearm offences. I do not feel overly threatened walking about even late at night, when the police pull me over I know that they are usually not armed. All in all due to strict gun control and penalties I know the chances of myself or anyone I care about being harmed or killed by a firearm is miniscule. With this said you may be able to understand why myself and other Brits cannot understand the mentality of those in America who continue to argue against tighter gun control following the spate of recent school shootings. I understand the need for firearms for hunting (strictly controlled) and for agricultural use to control pests but why is there any need to own a weapon outside of these uses?

[questionmark]

WickfordCully, on 26 January 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Americans, I like to think of myself as a normal middle aged British citizen and during my forty odd years on this planet I have never seen a real gun, handled a real gun nor do I know any family member or friend who owns a real gun. When I say seen of course I have seen Police carrying them at airports I am talking about privately owned weapons. Of course there are firearms in the British Isles and some of these are illegal but there has been a recent trend for criminals to turn to tazers rather than firearms due to the long jail terms linked to firearm offences. I do not feel overly threatened walking about even late at night, when the police pull me over I know that they are usually not armed. All in all due to strict gun control and penalties I know the chances of myself or anyone I care about being harmed or killed by a firearm is miniscule. With this said you may be able to understand why myself and other Brits cannot understand the mentality of those in America who continue to argue against tighter gun control following the spate of recent school shootings. I understand the need for firearms for hunting (strictly controlled) and for agricultural use to control pests but why is there any need to own a weapon outside of these uses?

Because every nation has its valve to hide the fact that they are not as free as they pretend. Every nation has its "life-lie" that symbolizes freedom. The Germans the Autobahn and unlimited speed there, the French thumbing their nose at authority, the Dutch by ignoring laws and getting away with it and the Americans by having guns. And the underlying fact is that none are not half as free as they pretend.

Edited by questionmark, 26 January 2013 - 09:59 AM.