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http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/153525

March 30th is the date and the caravan is on the way!  Supporters of the poor Arab stepchildren want to bring the world's attention to the horrors of the "occupation".  So a group of activists (reportedly in the thousands) who couldn't make it by sea are going to try to force their way into a sovereign UN member country and take possession of the city of Jerusalem for a month as protest.  Would it be allowed in London, New York, Rome?

[Realm]

 and then, on 18 March 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/153525

March 30th is the date and the caravan is on the way!  Supporters of the poor Arab stepchildren want to bring the world's attention to the horrors of the "occupation".  So a group of activists (reportedly in the thousands) who couldn't make it by sea are going to try to force their way into a sovereign UN member country and take possession of the city of Jerusalem for a month as protest.  Would it be allowed in London, New York, Rome?

What they plan to do, and actually reality are two different things.

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 Realm, on 18 March 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

What they plan to do, and actually reality are two different things.

So it's your opinion that this will be a non event as far as threatening the security or commerce of the city?  I don't imagine it to be an armed onslaught by any means.  Just a mess like OWS last year around the US.

[DieChecker]

 and then, on 18 March 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/153525

March 30th is the date and the caravan is on the way!  Supporters of the poor Arab stepchildren want to bring the world's attention to the horrors of the "occupation".  So a group of activists (reportedly in the thousands) who couldn't make it by sea are going to try to force their way into a sovereign UN member country and take possession of the city of Jerusalem for a month as protest.  Would it be allowed in London, New York, Rome?

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In the ITIC's estimate, "Despite intensive preparations, it seems that organizers prefer at this time to lower expectations." They noted that the march's coordinator stressed that the event is not being called the "March of the Million" but the "World Jerusalem March" because it's important that the march is taking place with the participation of representatives of many countries around the world and the number of participants is less important.

Probably because by the time they reach Jeruselum the number of people there legally will be measured in the dozens rather then around a million.

If they are peaceful and follow the border crossing laws, I think what they are doing is fine. Raise awareness for whatever you like as much as you like, as long as you do it peacefully.

[Realm]

 and then, on 18 March 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

So it's your opinion that this will be a non event as far as threatening the security or commerce of the city?  I don't imagine it to be an armed onslaught by any means.  Just a mess like OWS last year around the US.

No, I meant that what they plan to do, and what Israel let's them do are two differnet things.

[Ryinrea]

Yeah, from the comments sections I found to many wanting them to be shot on site. Even if they were peaceful, if Bibi goes the way of those comments, I would say he is not fit to serve as a president Yes, I will call the protesters out if they're not peaceful with the line that says it better to take a hit than to give one.

[Leonardo]

 and then, on 18 March 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/153525

March 30th is the date and the caravan is on the way!  Supporters of the poor Arab stepchildren want to bring the world's attention to the horrors of the "occupation".  So a group of activists (reportedly in the thousands) who couldn't make it by sea are going to try to force their way into a sovereign UN member country and take possession of the city of Jerusalem for a month as protest.  Would it be allowed in London, New York, Rome?

Mass protest is not unlawful in the UK, provided it is peaceful. However, the protest is not allowed to deny or obstruct the ability of other people to carry out their usual day-to-day lives.

The only difference I see in this planned protest to any other mass-protest in the past, is that the protestors are virtually all foreign nationals not resident in the country they wish to protest in. While that might provide some logistic and immigration-type issues, I don't see it makes any difference to the legitimacy of the protest itself.

[Corp]

As long as they're peaceful and respect the local bylaws I don't think Israel will care. They'd likely welcome the money the protesters will spend in their country.

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 Corp, on 19 March 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

As long as they're peaceful and respect the local bylaws I don't think Israel will care. They'd likely welcome the money the protesters will spend in their country.

Exactly so, IMO.  But Hamas and Hizballah have signalled their intent to be there as well.  I hope it IS peaceful.  I'm just remembering Israel's Independence day this past year and how thousands tried to rush in from Syria.  They were being paid by Assad to help the world look away from his misdeeds.  My personal feelings on the Israel/Palestinian issue are well known here and I make no apologies for them.  I am baffled by the way so many around the world have taken up the cause of these people who obviously do not want peace.  The Palestinians want the State of Israel and every Jew in it eradicated.  They've made no secret about that.  On at least one occasion under Clinton, Arafat was offered about 97% of what he asked for INCLUDING shared sovereignty over Jerusalem.  He refused it and started another Intifada.  The Palestinians expect the world to give them all the land from the Jordan to the Med and the world looks to be trying to do this, even at the risk of a global war.  After all the smoke and mirrors that's what it really all boils down to.   It is irrational to expect any nation to simply say OK...we give up you can have our homes and businesses and we'll go beg for some other homeland.

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 Leonardo, on 19 March 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

Mass protest is not unlawful in the UK, provided it is peaceful. However, the protest is not allowed to deny or obstruct the ability of other people to carry out their usual day-to-day lives.

The only difference I see in this planned protest to any other mass-protest in the past, is that the protestors are virtually all foreign nationals not resident in the country they wish to protest in. While that might provide some logistic and immigration-type issues, I don't see it makes any difference to the legitimacy of the protest itself.

I don't question the right to protest.  But when your country has a history of infiltrators coming in regularly and blowing up citizens in cafes, banquet halls, malls and on buses you tend to do things like restrict travel and build walls and fences.  And those actions have been effective in stopping such carnage.  This protest would necessitate processing possibly thousands of potential infiltrators prior to allowing them in.  That's not going to happen.  These folks just want to push their way in and Israel simply won't allow that.  If they get in there is a potential for chaos.  If they get shot Israel deals with another public outrage over their brutality.  I anticipate their being dozens of protesters killed or detained because they try to force their way across a border.  And it doesn't have to happen, it will be their choice.

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UPDATE:

One week from today an event takes place that may well cause much bloodshed and quite a few deaths.  An event sponsored in part by Iran to bring a large number of people from around the globe to enter Israel and specifically Jerusalem without prior permission being granted.  Last year a less organized effort lead to many deaths and injuries.  Israel has clearly warned it's neighbors it will defend it's borders vigorously.

http://www.ynetnews....4206949,00.html

Thoughts?

[wittyusernamefailed]

Whatever happenes will happen. There isn't much that wringing ones hands worrying about whither or not this is "the end." Hopefully w/e protest happen go off without a hitch and understanding is had by all; I doubt it, but it would be nice to see all groups attempt to be rational for once in that part of the world.

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Well, Friday prayers are over and so far no violence.    I hope it continues this way.  There were supposed to be rallies in foreign capitols across the world in solidarity with the march.  It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

[lightly]

hi and then,  this .. *your topic is called "GMJ Why Is the Press Silent? "  .. maybe they are silent because, like me, they have no idea what GMJ  stands for?   Sorry,  this might be a really stupid question,  but, what the heck does GMJ  stand for?


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 lightly, on 30 March 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

hi and then,  this .. *your topic is called "GMJ Why Is the Press Silent? "  .. maybe they are silent because, like me, they have no idea what GMJ  stands for?   Sorry,  this might be a really stupid question,  but, what the heck does GMJ  stand for?


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Not to be rude, lightly, but maybe the reason you don't know what it means is that it's not been in the press?  Anyway. the Global March to Jerusalem is to be an international protest in support of a smaller Palestinian protest called "land day" observed since the late 70's when Israel killed 6 Palestinians who were protesting the seizure of their property by the Israeli government.  The March was designed as an effort to involve one million people in an international protest for this commemoration with at least thousands attempting to breach the borders of Israel without permission and to "occupy" Jerusalem and protest there for one month.  They recently scaled back expectations but were still expected to cause riots and disturbances after peaceful Friday prayers in Jordan, Egypt, West Bank and Gaza and Lebanon.  It's about 4pm there now and it all seems to be a bit of a dud, thankfully.  Had they really wanted conflict it could have gotten very bloody and after the "Flotilla" last year I was concerned over another PR disaster for Israel.  So...that is the GMJ.