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#136    spartan max2

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:07 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 18 July 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

You know, the right to have an abortion for starters.

With all do respect to women I really don't see what rights they are missing.

Abortion is a touchy subject but even if with that ,that's about the only one I see. Even thought I believe it is blown way out of proportion.

Could you list some more for me? like I really want to understand when women say they need more rights what they are talking about.

Back when they were fighting for the right to vote and the right to be in the workplace now that was really fighting for rights but that is over, everyone has those rights now.

Some people are still sexist and probably discriminate in the work place but no matter how much more laws we make it really wont speed the process up. Women have all the rights men do in the modern day United States.

I really need someone to explain what rights are missing?

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:22 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 18 July 2013 - 03:07 AM, said:

With all do respect to women I really don't see what rights they are missing.

Abortion is a touchy subject but even if with that ,that's about the only one I see. Even thought I believe it is blown way out of proportion.

Could you list some more for me? like I really want to understand when women say they need more rights what they are talking about.

Back when they were fighting for the right to vote and the right to be in the workplace now that was really fighting for rights but that is over, everyone has those rights now.

Some people are still sexist and probably discriminate in the work place but no matter how much more laws we make it really wont speed the process up. Women have all the rights men do in the modern day United States.

I really need someone to explain what rights are missing?

No rights are missing, in fact the white male is the most oppressed person in the USA today.  Every failure blames their problems on someone other than themselves and they are supported buy the state run media.  We are at the point where if you disagree with the President's policies you are a racist.  I knew that when BO was elected that race relations would get much wore in this country and they have.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:22 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 18 July 2013 - 03:07 AM, said:



With all do respect to women I really don't see what rights they are missing.

Abortion is a touchy subject but even if with that ,that's about the only one I see. Even thought I believe it is blown way out of proportion.

Could you list some more for me? like I really want to understand when women say they need more rights what they are talking about.

Back when they were fighting for the right to vote and the right to be in the workplace now that was really fighting for rights but that is over, everyone has those rights now.

Some people are still sexist and probably discriminate in the work place but no matter how much more laws we make it really wont speed the process up. Women have all the rights men do in the modern day United States.

I really need someone to explain what rights are missing?

Anytime some people claim they are missing rights the truth is they want rights that don't exist then claim they're missing.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:38 AM

View PostMerc14, on 18 July 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

No rights are missing, in fact the white male is the most oppressed person in the USA today.  Every failure blames their problems on someone other than themselves and they are supported buy the state run media.  We are at the point where if you disagree with the President's policies you are a racist.  I knew that when BO was elected that race relations would get much wore in this country and they have.

Woman still make less per hour, for doing the same jobs, in a lot of industries. I would show you the links, but it's late and I know your are smart enough to look it up.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:53 AM

View PostMichelle, on 18 July 2013 - 03:38 AM, said:

Woman still make less per hour, for doing the same jobs, in a lot of industries. I would show you the links, but it's late and I know your are smart enough to look it up.
There are many laws protecting women's rights so your accusation is ridiculous .  The fact is women leave the workforce to have children and then reenter while their male peers have advanced, that isn't discrimination it is life.  Women who don't leave the workforce are at the same level as men and are now outdistancing them.  If you can find a woman with the same experience level and resume as a man and the same success in whatever field, that has been discriminated against in regard to salary you can make yourself a huge payday.  Huge!  This is a myth and you have been taken.  Most organizations now cater to women and advance them above males just to avoid the lawsuit.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 04:06 AM

View PostMichelle, on 18 July 2013 - 03:38 AM, said:

Woman still make less per hour, for doing the same jobs, in a lot of industries.

what industries??
i,m quite positive women at my work would disagree with you. and not just mine company, females at Verizon get just as much doing the same job as men, i know a female field technician, that would agree with me too.
in any case there are no rights a man has that woman doesn't. in usa.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 04:12 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 18 July 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

You know, the right to have an abortion for starters.
you can still have it, who said you can't?  and besides it is also female politicians that try to limit ake away that right, voting for hilary, would not change that one bit.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 04:36 AM

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 05:32 AM

View PostMerc14, on 18 July 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

There are many laws protecting women's rights so your accusation is ridiculous . The fact is women leave the workforce to have children and then reenter while their male peers have advanced, that isn't discrimination it is life.  Women who don't leave the workforce are at the same level as men and are now outdistancing them.  If you can find a woman with the same experience level and resume as a man and the same success in whatever field, that has been discriminated against in regard to salary you can make yourself a huge payday.  Huge! This is a myth and you have been taken.  Most organizations now cater to women and advance them above males just to avoid the lawsuit.

I don't have to go any farther than my sister to answer that. She increased sales by 70%, as the regional sales manager of a major jewelry store, and the company was paying the individual store, male managers, more than she was being paid. Did I forget to mention she had much more experience than any of them and almost single handedly kept them from going under, according to the staff?


Before anyone gets on a tangent, she was awarded a triple digit figure settlement, by a court of law, for discrimination.

Frankly, Merc, I didn't expect that of you.

Edited by Michelle, 18 July 2013 - 06:15 AM.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 06:50 AM

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Both Obama and Hildabeast are disciples of Saul Alinsky.  His aim was to fundamentally change America starting with the destruction of the middle class because a socialist country can't operate with a middle class in place.  China is finding that out now.  Obama has done wonders here and even if he doesn't finish the job the next democrat will have huge momentum.  Obamacare is the lynchpin and we lost that fight so.......




View Postninjadude, on 18 July 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Not knowing anything about Saul Alinsky except what the Wikipedia says, do you have a real source for this assertion or are you just pulling this out of thin air?

View Postninjadude, on 18 July 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

again please refer me exactly. It appears to say no such thing as the "destruction of the middle class".

https://en.wikipedia...es_for_Radicals

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There will be no proof given for the quote at the top of this post because it is a conspiracy theory which can be found, of course at the graveyard of many of them, at infowars. The Obama Deception, which was produced and narrated by the owner of infowars, asks you to watch his product to learn how Obama is trying to "destroy the middle class" as well as a chance to learn about other conspiracy theories...

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Watch The Obama Deception and learn how:

- Obama is continuing the process of transforming America into something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law.
  • Obama’s handlers are openly announcing the creation of a new Bank of the World that will dominate every nation on earth through carbon taxes and military force.
  • International bankers purposefully engineered the worldwide financial meltdown to bankrupt the nations of the planet and bring in World Government.
  • Obama plans to loot the middle class, destroy pensions and federalize the states so that the population is completely dependent on the Central Government.
  • The Elite are using Obama to pacify the public so they can usher in the North American Union by stealth, launch a new Cold War and continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.infowars....ernate-trailer/


This particular version of this conspiracy theory where Obama is the puppet of someone, socialism and Samuel Alinksy, began in 2008 but like many conspiracy theories have had different variants throughout history.

As noted below one variant of it attempted to claim Thomas Jefferson was a Jacobin.

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A Jacobin is someone who supports a centralized Republic, with power made at the federal level in contemporary usage. At its inception during the French Revolution, the term was popularly applied to all supporters of revolutionary opinions. Specifically, it was used to describe members of the Jacobin Club, a revolutionary, far-left political movement that had been the most famous political club of the French Revolution.

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Guilt by association has been a time-honored tactic in American electioneering since the first decade of the Republic, when opponents of Thomas Jefferson tarred him as a bloodthirsty Jacobin, America’s own Robespierre. When Franklin Delano Roosevelt railed against the “economic royalists” and the “moneyed interests” during his 1936 campaign, his critics on the right saw a Bolshevik conspiracy at work. And for Gingrich and Obama’s critics, Alinsky fills the bill: a self-professed radical with a foreign-sounding name posthumously setting the agenda for an ostensibly radical president.

Newt and other conservatives are obsessed with tying Obama to Saul Alinsky. Here's where their hatred comes from


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Gingrich's claims echo conspiracy theories from the Tea Parties, Glenn Beck, the John Birch Society, and the 1990s Militia Movement.

To an alarming extent the frame of Obama bringing socialism to America includes allegations that Obama and his allies are part of a vast left-wing conspiracy. Whether this conspiracy tracks back to Marx or Satan is open to debate.

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Anti-Obama rhetoric circulating in the Tea Party movement suggests Obama is a puppet of liberal elites and socialists. This mimics 1960s claims calling the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. a dupe of a communist conspiracy--circulated by groups such as the ultra-conservative John Birch Society, the all-White "Citizens Councils," and the Ku Klux Klan. Billboards and flyers with this message appeared across the South. Postcards were distributed nationwide. This storyline has more than a little racist baggage.

The anti-left red-baiting of Obama echoes the same charges made against President Roosevelt claiming he was a socialist, a fascist, or both. Some authors, such as Elizabeth Dilling, added antisemitic conspiracy theories to the attack on the New Deal. After World War Two this theme re-emerged as militant Red Scare anticommunism which demonized liberals, union and community organizers, peace activists, socialists, gay people, Jews, and people of color. The "McCarthy Period" anticommunist witch hunts stretched from the late 1940s to the early 1960s.

Newt Gingrich, Saul Alinsky and the Religious Right's Conspiracy Narratives


Of course now even the non-religious conspiracy theorists have accepted this conspiracy theory.

Edited by The world needs you, 18 July 2013 - 06:55 AM.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:07 AM

Just read this on The Wall Street Journal about the Saul Alinsky connection to the Tea Party and "patriots".

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Newt Gingrich has repeatedly labeled President Barack Obama a "Saul Alinsky radical."


He raised Mr. Alinsky's name in his victory speech Saturday night after winning the South Carolina primary. On Sunday morning, Mr. Gingrich asserted on NBC that Mr. Obama draws his political vision "from Saul Alinsky, radical left-wingers and people who don't like the classical America."

Which likely raised a question for many Americans: Who is Saul Alinsky and why is he being invoked to argue there are fundamental flaws in Mr. Obama's leadership?

Mr. Alinsky, who died in 1972 at age 63, was a Chicago-born social-movement organizer whose success has been praised by Democrats and Republicans alike. He was grudgingly admired by conservative hero William F. Buckley Jr., who called him "very close to being an organizational genius." Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, a Republican, gives copies of Mr. Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals" to tea-party leaders.

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Adam Brandon, spokesman for FreedomWorks, which has been organizing tea-party activists and includes Mr. Armey as chairman, says the group gives Mr. Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called "Rules for Patriots" is distributed to its entire network.

Mr. Brandon called the effort to associate Mr. Obama with Mr. Alinsky "a double-edged sword." While Mr. Alinsky was an avowed liberal Democrat, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective," Mr. Brandon said.

He cited the group's sending of tea-party activists to town-hall meetings. "When the first five people step up to the microphone to challenge a congressman,'' he said, "it completely changes the dynamic of the town hall—he spends all of his time defending himself."

Two Ways to Play the 'Alinsky' Card


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 09:04 AM

View PostMerc14, on 18 July 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

No rights are missing, in fact the white male is the most oppressed person in the USA today.  Every failure blames their problems on someone other than themselves and they are supported buy the state run media.  We are at the point where if you disagree with the President's policies you are a racist.  I knew that when BO was elected that race relations would get much wore in this country and they have.

Okay, you're going to have to back that claim up. How is the white man the most oppressed person. Link me to some studies.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 10:54 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 18 July 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Okay, you're going to have to back that claim up. How is the white man the most oppressed person. Link me to some studies.

You still need to back up your claim about women missing right. Because it looks like to me that it is just a propaganda tactic used by politicians to acquire votes.

As of yet no one has been able to tell what exactly is missing :whistle:

randomly saying abortions off the table, then what else do you got?

Edited by spartan max2, 18 July 2013 - 10:55 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:08 AM

I don't think women making less than men is a rights issue. If it ever were then it's been legislated against by now I'm sure. Women have the right to make however much they can. If anything I would say it's a sexist employer thing which all women have the right to kick in the balls if they're getting gipped. Also, they[women] have the right to ask why they are making what they are making and if the answer isn't satisfactory they can sue them. All I'm saying is that rights exist and I don't think there is much else that can be done from a legislative point that can change things.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:24 AM

View PostMichelle, on 18 July 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

I don't have to go any farther than my sister to answer that. She increased sales by 70%, as the regional sales manager of a major jewelry store, and the company was paying the individual store, male managers, more than she was being paid. Did I forget to mention she had much more experience than any of them and almost single handedly kept them from going under, according to the staff?


Before anyone gets on a tangent, she was awarded a triple digit figure settlement, by a court of law, for discrimination.

Frankly, Merc, I didn't expect that of you.

No one ever said people don't discriminate, they do.  They always will.  The point is there are laws protecting women against that kind of discrimination and your sister took advantage of that protection and won her lawsuit.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".




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