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#136    psyche101

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:29 AM

View PostSakari, on 30 November 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

30 foot strides.......Damn

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:30 AM

View Postjsowersby, on 30 November 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Claims can be faked, otherwise know as lies. I suppose there is financial gains to those claims. It was pretty straight forward what was in the DNA samples, what left it is not clear. The tracks that have been documented with plaster casts vary in quality but the most intriguing tracks show ridges in the skin, different arches than human feet, old injuries meaning injuries that have healed over time and left the foot slightly deformed, and physiologic shifts where the movement of the bones of the feet are moving while the print is being left. Depth of the print, length of stride, width of the prints, direction, location are things to look at. Tracks in a line indicate traveling to a known location like food or water sources. You're right in saying if someone wants to find a track they will see tracks everywhere. But, the best plaster casts of BF tracks are compelling. If someone is faking such tracks, they are wasting their time as a hoaxer and should be in special effects.


All of which have been replicated though artificially.

I think a big mystery is why are many "trails" only one footed?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

okay damn enough already  lets see a body! not a blured  photoshop pic of sum fat hairy guy in a grilli suit...
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:45 PM

Well it made it to TIME..

http://newsfeed.time...foot-dna-tests/


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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:47 PM

Breaking: Dr. Melba Ketchum's Bigfoot DNA Paper Has Been REJECTED

Being reported at least two places so far, not that either one are of the most scientific places for such a report.

http://bigfooteviden...a.html?spref=fb

http://beforeitsnews...ot-2445826.html

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

This week's episode of Monstertalk is all about the Ketchum study.  The hosts interview Dr. Todd Disotell from NYU (the formerly Mohawked DNA scientist made famous on Monsterquest).  It's a great listen and Dr. Disotell completely blows Ketchum's BS out of the water.  Frankly, it wasn't even a good fabrication.

http://www.skeptic.c...rtalk/12/12/05/

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:11 PM

View PostRafterman, on 06 December 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

This week's episode of Monstertalk is all about the Ketchum study.  The hosts interview Dr. Todd Disotell from NYU (the formerly Mohawked DNA scientist made famous on Monsterquest).  It's a great listen and Dr. Disotell completely blows Ketchum's BS out of the water.  Frankly, it wasn't even a good fabrication.

http://www.skeptic.c...rtalk/12/12/05/

I thought it was him, hadn't seen him without the mohawk before.  Haven't had a chance to listen to this completely.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

View PostInsanity, on 06 December 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Breaking: Dr. Melba Ketchum's Bigfoot DNA Paper Has Been REJECTED

Being reported at least two places so far, not that either one are of the most scientific places for such a report.

http://bigfooteviden...a.html?spref=fb

http://beforeitsnews...ot-2445826.html



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Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:22 PM

Ideally the report should come from those who peer-reviewed it, vesus on a few blogs.
Then again, the announcement should have come after any peer-review instead of being leaked on Facebook.

What would be do without social media?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 05:14 PM

View PostInsanity, on 06 December 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Ideally the report should come from those who peer-reviewed it, vesus on a few blogs.
Then again, the announcement should have come after any peer-review instead of being leaked on Facebook.

What would be do without social media?

That's covered a bit in the Monstertalk podcast - science by press release.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:22 PM

View PostInsanity, on 01 December 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

Mainstream scientists are often not willing to consider the possibility, simply due the lack of approval they may receive from colleagues, the potential negative impact on their careers or loss of reputation.  There are politics in science.

Regardless of whatever politics exist in the scientific community -because lets face it, politics and influence peddling are everywhere - the simple fact remains that there is precious little that you can do with anything regarding bigfoot and science due purely to the fact that there is no real evidence or data to work with.  Pursuing Bigfoot as a scientific endeavor is just bad science, because doing so means you have to ignore the scientific process to circumvent the fact that there is nothing tangible to study.  

You can't do science on thousands of eyewitness reports.  There isn't much science that can be done on an impression in mud, snow or otherwise that somebody thinks is a BF footprint.  You can't do much science on blurry, indistinct, shaky, crappy videos and stills.  Look at all the technology that's been brought to bear on the PG film - what has it yielded?  Nothing.  Just more ambiguity.  

Most scientists won't pursue Bigfoot scientifically because there is quite simply no science to be done.  Not until somebody actually finds the damn thing and brings one in to study.  

Signing up to do science on Bigfoot is like signing up for a "singing in the rain" convention being held in the Sahara desert - there just isn't a whole helluva lot that can actually happen.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:02 AM

Mental illness is a sad thing. :no: I hope she will seek out the help/meds she needs.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:10 AM

releasing the paper for peer review was a smart move.... now, instead of people claiming that there is no data and that's why she released it, she and other bigfoot afficionados can claim that it is because her data was so earth shattering that the scientific community could not allow it to pass peer review, and this is a big scientific conspiracy.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:25 AM

I won't believe until I see a corpse.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:51 AM

View PostNeognosis, on 07 December 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

releasing the paper for peer review was a smart move.... now, instead of people claiming that there is no data and that's why she released it, she and other bigfoot afficionados can claim that it is because her data was so earth shattering that the scientific community could not allow it to pass peer review, and this is a big scientific conspiracy.

I believe there is doubt as to if she ever submitted a paper for peer review.

Who did she submit it to and who rejected it?





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