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Holographic60

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The Betty and Barney Hill account may be the first time the situation of both energy drainage of the automobile, and also the situation of missing time became public. Doubtful though that it was the first incident to have occurred.

In the situation of "Ghost Hunters", the public has watched now over the last few years how equiptment batteries will drain rather quickly in the presence of paranormal activity.

At times also, residential electricity will waver and lights in buildings will flicker.

These events however seem more prominent in the situation of U.F.O. sightings.

These are indications of something interdimensional that is taking place, which requires energy from the surroundings as these things make themselves evident.

A.K.A. - "Paranormal".

Here is one account of missing time in the testimonial of an ex-Marine.

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These are indications of something interdimensional that is taking place, which requires energy from the surroundings as these things make themselves evident.

Putting aside the numerous inconsistencies in the Betty and Barney Hill account that would force us to question the reliability of something as unreliable as eyewitness testimony is to begin with, I am curious as to how you came to the above conclusion.

What is it about "interdimensionality" which would indicate anything about absorbing energy?

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Putting aside the numerous inconsistencies in the Betty and Barney Hill account that would force us to question the reliability of something as unreliable as eyewitness testimony is to begin with, I am curious as to how you came to the above conclusion.

What is it about "interdimensionality" which would indicate anything about absorbing energy?

As evidenced in eyewitnessed testimony, and as I've stated in the O.P.

Referring to a connection, aquatus, with the theories in modern Physics, which are also equated with the, "Paranormal".

Multiple worlds, dimensions, and the Mult-Verse theory.

- What do you think of the video?

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As evidenced in eyewitnessed testimony, and as I've stated in the O.P.

Just testimony, then?

Oh, well. Hopefully, someday real support will appear.

Referring to a connection, aquatus, with the theories in modern Physics, which are also equated with the, "Paranormal".

Multiple worlds, dimensions, and the Mult-Verse theory.

Not familiar with them, and I'm fairly up-to-date in physics. Which theories are you referring to, that make the connection between energy draining and "interdimensions"?

- What do you think of the video?

Not a fan of videos in general, not impressed by testimony in the slightest. I continue to hope that someday real evidence will surface, but as long as the claims revolve around something as unreliable as testimony and casual hand-waving towards magical physics, I won't even bother with following the thread.

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I don't bother looking at videos especially videos that have been linked to and no reason given for checking them out.

What I do see in in the OP is claims that the Barney and Betty story marks some firsts. There is also the connection between events and a TV show of zero quality. There are plenty of these shows looking for ghosts or whatever and they never ever find anything. Instead they make up stories to fill in the time since the goal of these shows is to have you sit through a vacuum of information.

Here are some famous events with flickering lights:

1. The hunt for the alien in the movie "Alien"

2. Every bad slasher hacker movie ever made

3. Every movie with people in a shelter during a bombing run

4. Every submarine movie

What I want to know is why so many movies use angle grinders to cast a shower of sparks. Is there really a need for all of that grinding?

Flashlights and house lights seem to fail in these pathetic shows. Why doesn't the camera fail? It requires more juice than a flashlight. Why don't the people collapse? The nerve impulses should be disrupted.

Now here is the question for you Holographic60. If there is a flow of energy is it possible to detect that flow? Think about it. Then ask yourself whether or not it would be possible to build a device to determine the flow direction. Then ask yourself if it would be possible to use that device to win the James Randi million dollar prize, or better yet a Nobel prize. Simple questions here. If indeed there is a flow of energy would it be possible to build a device to detect that flow?

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When you are dealing with elements transformed into the superconductor state they hate EMF, so the theory of battery drain for fuel is probably false; more of a removal of electrical interference that is probably not conscious in terms of ghosts. Maybe I should watch that youtube later...

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The section of video ends with his blood anomaly and hybrid theory. This is the first I have heard of that connection and having two recently discovered genetic blood mutations myself, it makes me wonder about the chip that showed up in my leg overnight long ago...anyway, it probably all comes down to mind control in one form or another. Missing time is a b****.

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Aquatus1 -

Not a fan of videos in general, not impressed by testimony in the slightest. I continue to hope that someday real evidence will surface, but as long as the claims revolve around something as unreliable as testimony and casual hand-waving towards magical physics, I won't even bother with following the thread.

Evidence has been offered in a number of ways, aquatus, but, like other hardliner skeptics here, you are simply saying it's just hearsay, and you aren't interested until you see something with your own eyes.

Such as with Rendleshem military base, concerning multiple witnesses... compressions left behined in the dirt... changes in the soil structure where the phenomena appeared, and also some ill health effects, burns, on the part of one witness.

But...just testimonial, and you are a doubter.

Look away now, aquatus, for here is a video interview of several Police Officers who witnessed and gave testimonial of a close encounter in Trumbull County, Ohio, in 1994. 9 minutes worth.

And? Here is nearly an hour long audio of the same Police Department Dispatcher taking 7-8 calls from citizens about it, and then the intercommunications between the Officers as they follow and track the object.

But, I understand aquatus, ain't worth your time.

Either is this.

A testimonial video from the Horse' mouths as it were.

The military helicopter crew who experienced the close encounter in Mansfield, Ohio.

In which they state that it was a solid metallic object, not Plasma, or ball lightning, and certainly not the planet Venus.

Just testimony, then?

Oh, well. Hopefully, someday real support will appear.

Not familiar with them, and I'm fairly up-to-date in physics. Which theories are you referring to, that make the connection between energy draining and "interdimensions"?

Oh? Not familiar with the multiple worlds/universe theories in Physics today? Perhaps you should "ketchup" then. If you can find the time.

Not a fan of videos in general, not impressed by testimony in the slightest. I continue to hope that someday real evidence will surface, but as long as the claims revolve around something as unreliable as testimony and casual hand-waving towards magical physics, I won't even bother with following the thread.

Even from the witnesses themselves? Yeah, well... maybe the Newspaper is preferable to all this highfalootin' video technology.

"Magical Physic"s. I see!

So, let me ask you, what do you think would be called, "Magical Physics", just several centuries ago regarding our modern technologies?

Anything come to mind..? Curious.

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Tons of words will not change the fact that testimonies and vids of testimonies are useless until the contents of an individual testimony has been

proven as to be true.

Until today, not a single one out of these tons of testimonies has ever been proven as to be true, so there is not just one testimony that can confirm

the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life forms and/or the/a presence of intelligent extraterrestrial life forms on Earth, in the past and/or current.

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I don't bother looking at videos especially videos that have been linked to and no reason given for checking them out.

What I do see in in the OP is claims that the Barney and Betty story marks some firsts. There is also the connection between events and a TV show of zero quality.

Watch it, bud!

"The Outer Limits" was one of my favorite shows at the time.

"Zero quality" indeed! Bah!

Harte

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Evidence has been offered in a number of ways, aquatus,

No, it hasn't. It has been offered in very, very few ways. And the number one way it has been offered is testimony. Testimony is useless to establish the existence of a phenomena. It isn't even all that good at supporting existing phenomena.

but, like other hardliner skeptics here, you are simply saying it's just hearsay, and you aren't interested until you see something with your own eyes.

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Testimony is useless, regardless of the source, to establish the existence of a phenomena. My testimony may well be more credible than the majority out there, but that does not transform it into something it is not. Testimony, because it is subjective and human, is inherently fallible, and frankly, far more prone to being wrong than many subjective human experiences.

Such as with Rendleshem military base, concerning multiple witnesses... compressions left behined in the dirt... changes in the soil structure where the phenomena appeared, and also some ill health effects, burns, on the part of one witness.

Witnesses are just testimony and are useless. Everything else would be useful if you could actually show that there was some sort of unique factor to it, and if you could refrain from trying to make more of it than it actually is. Things don't have to be dramatic to be significant, a point sorely lost among enthusiasts.

But...just testimonial, and you are a doubter.

Correct. Heck, after 40 years of this, I am almost to the point of being a cynic. Thanks, ufologists! Took a perfectly good field of inquiry and turned it into a laughingstock.

Look away now, aquatus, for here is a video interview of several Police Officers who witnessed and gave testimonial of a close encounter in Trumbull County, Ohio, in 1994. 9 minutes worth.

Done.

And? Here is nearly an hour long audio of the same Police Department Dispatcher taking 7-8 calls from citizens about it, and then the intercommunications between the Officers as they follow and track the object.

Gee, what's more convincing than testimony? Reports of testimony!

But, I understand aquatus, ain't worth your time.

Correct. More accurately, not worth anyone's time. Heck, you don't even need me to figure that out. Just ask yourself the very simple question:

"If this is true, what does it explain to us? What is the usefulness of this data?"

If you are assuming the very best of all possible factors, that the video is genuine, that the witnesses are accurate, that they are sincere, that the video is clear and explicit, etc, etc...and all you get at the end is---"Well...maybe they are aliens...",

You didn't get a lot of usefulness out of the data. You spent a ton of effort, for practically nothing of value. For nothing more than an assumption that pretty much anybody would have spotted you from the beginning.

Either is this.

A testimonial video from the Horse' mouths as it were.

The military helicopter crew who experienced the close encounter in Mansfield, Ohio.

Correct. Testimony is useless. No matter how much of it you have, it is useless. A thousand cups of weak coffee will never make a single cup of strong coffee, and a thousand different versions of weak evidence will never be strong evidence.

In which they state that it was a solid metallic object, not Plasma, or ball lightning, and certainly not the planet Venus.

Good for them. One of my pilots said the same thing, despite use being able to clearly and undeniably show him that he had been trying to lock on to Venus.

Oh? Not familiar with the multiple worlds/universe theories in Physics today? Perhaps you should "ketchup" then. If you can find the time.

I'm quite familiar with them. I am still waiting for you to say exactly where this magical physics of yours concludes with energy drains and interdimensionality.

Even from the witnesses themselves? Yeah, well... maybe the Newspaper is preferable to all this highfalootin' video technology.

Correct. Testimony is useless. I will repeat that as many times as it takes to get it through your head. No matter how often you bring up witnesses, they will never be foundational evidence for the existence of a phenomena. Science is about showing how a phenomena works; if you are spending all this effort just to show the phenomena itself exists, you aren't doing science. If, as in ufology, the most you can hope for is showing the possibility that the phenomena exists, you aren't even doing that.

"Magical Physic"s. I see!

Unfortunately, you do not seem able to explain!

So, let me ask you, what do you think would be called, "Magical Physics", just several centuries ago regarding our modern technologies?

The exact same ting that you are doing today. People without an understanding of science waving around the latest theories and claiming that those theories magically support their unrelated points, without having much more than a cursory understanding of the subject.

In other words, the physics is magical to you. It provides a quick and easy authoritative non-answer, that is used in the hopes that no one will question it because it is SCIENCE!

It isn't magical to those who understand it. And when they question it, and the person waving the magic science wand shows that they are unable to answer questions about their magical science, they expose themselves. Three posts, now, and instead of answering the question, you dance around it. A person who understands the subject and uses it as support explain why it supports their position. That is the difference between someone who uses science as magic, and someone who understand what science is and what it is used for.

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Evidence has been offered in a number of ways...

Actually, no evidence exists. Hearsay isn't evidence. Guessing isn't evidence. Opinions aren't evidence. Bad science isn't evidence.

...like other hardliner skeptics here, you are simply saying it's just hearsay, and you aren't interested until you see something with your own eyes.

Which is the correct way to do it, rather than jumping to the most wild and improvable conclusions without any sort of critical thinking first.

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Either is this.

A testimonial video from the Horse' mouths as it were.

The military helicopter crew who experienced the close encounter in Mansfield, Ohio.

In which they state that it was a solid metallic object, not Plasma, or ball lightning, and certainly not the planet Venus.

Small problem in that video. They went into a dive and indicated they were descending at a thousand feet a minute and later they said it was two thousand feet a minute. Also one of the other crewmen said the officer took control and they auto-rotated down. Auto-rotation down is descending without power to the rotors. What we have is conflicting stories right there on camera and they pretty much invalidate the entire account.

Of interest is descending at 2000 ft a minute when you're only 1700 feet from the ground.

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Straining at gnats, and swallowing camels. So they descended at 2000 ft. for what half a minute or?

In addition to the crew, there is on the internet testimonial from people on the ground who witnessed the situation also.

You should see my last post in the "Milky Way Adopted Us" thread.

TOAST? - Ditto.

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Straining at gnats, and swallowing camels. So they descended at 2000 ft. for what half a minute or?

In addition to the crew, there is on the internet testimonial from people on the ground who witnessed the situation also.

You should see my last post in the "Milky Way Adopted Us" thread.

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You can't do a powered dive and auto rotate at the same time. Also there was no indication they lost power. Sorry but their stories on camera conflict one anothers.

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You can't do a powered dive and auto rotate at the same time. Also there was no indication they lost power. Sorry but their stories on camera conflict one anothers.

Very well, that settles it for you. Thanks for your input.

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People's memories are so short. Just 2 years ago the internet was buzzing with the stupidest scam is a while: 2012.

Not only was it stupid but so much was based on stupid testimonials about time wave zero and stupid testimonials about new planets in the solar system, and stupid testimonials about events at pyramids, and testimonials about all sorts of new humans being born with 12 strand DNA, and it went on and on and on. Now I think everyone might agree that these were all worthless lies, but they were testimonials.

It's time for people to step beyond testimonials and find some real evidence. Stories are just stories until something backs up the stories.

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That's the thing people like Holo don't really get. They are focused on trying to show any single testimony might be credible, and even valid, but they don't really know why they are doing so.

They are the Fortean ideal. They love the mystery for the sheer sake of the mystery. Proof is secondary. That aliens might exist is enough.

And, frankly, there is really nothing wrong with that. The only time it becomes a problem is when they convince themselves that the desire for something is the same as the search for something. Not to get too Yoda-ish, but that is the sort of thing that leads to further darkness. To want, and to take joy, in the unknown is fine, but to desire it leads, just from simple basic human behavioral processes, down the spiral slope, where one begins to ignore, then dismiss, then outright deny, everything that goes against the sacred mystery. Once one has allowed the mystery to dictate terms, then one is no longer a Fortean. The loss of control like a chemical addict: once the drug is in charge, you really can't claim you are the one having fun, because you are not the one in charge anymore.

There is nothing wrong with accepting the limitations inherent in reality. In the U.S., it is what we call "biting the bullet". It is bad news, but one can choose to accept it, and yet still move forward and enjoy what remains.

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That's the thing people like Holo don't really get. They are focused on trying to show any single testimony might be credible, and even valid, but they don't really know why they are doing so.

They are the Fortean ideal. They love the mystery for the sheer sake of the mystery. Proof is secondary. That aliens might exist is enough.

And, frankly, there is really nothing wrong with that. The only time it becomes a problem is when they convince themselves that the desire for something is the same as the search for something. Not to get too Yoda-ish, but that is the sort of thing that leads to further darkness. To want, and to take joy, in the unknown is fine, but to desire it leads, just from simple basic human behavioral processes, down the spiral slope, where one begins to ignore, then dismiss, then outright deny, everything that goes against the sacred mystery. Once one has allowed the mystery to dictate terms, then one is no longer a Fortean. The loss of control like a chemical addict: once the drug is in charge, you really can't claim you are the one having fun, because you are not the one in charge anymore.

There is nothing wrong with accepting the limitations inherent in reality. In the U.S., it is what we call "biting the bullet". It is bad news, but one can choose to accept it, and yet still move forward and enjoy what remains.

Excuse me Dr. Zhivago?

When did we ever meet that you could do such an intimate psychological workup of me?

You know, I had stated earlier that it is easy to insult people, and ridicule. Takes no effort.

Easy to act superior, and empirical.

That's one hell'a Ego you're feeding there doctor! What's with that?

It's not my fault you are hostile to all of the research evidence...

Hey, excuse me but this is "The Extraterrestrial Life, and The UFO Phenomenon" Forum.

Why are you here if you are so hostile to discussion on it?

So what is your degree in psychology, and when did we ever meet?

Also,

What I have been stating is that it's ridiculious to think all the witnesses giving testimonials are lying, including about their vehicles failing in the presence of UFO phenomena, and, that the weight of scientific research gives us indication that we are not alone in the vastness of the Universe!.

As well... that in the 21st century, the technology of UFO's most certainly exists, even if it is only our own black ops research that accomplished it.

However, regarding the above, I doubt it.

It's recorded fact that Lockheed/Martin, and Boeing both were doing research on "Gravity Shielding".

Not to mention others in other countries.

"At least 14 United States universities and other research centers are hard at work cracking the gravity barrier. And backing the basic research with multi-million dollar secret projects is our aircraft industry."

http://en.wikipedia....ulsion_research

It's also been estimated how much in funds is secreted into Black Op's research programs, apart from any congressional approval.

Now, gven the fact that Time, Space, and Gravity are intimately connected, as I've stated prior, can't blame them for wanting to keep it under wraps.

What do you THINK?

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Very well, that settles it for you. Thanks for your input.

It settles it for those that realize fact. Do you not realize that you cannot do a powered dive and auto rotate simultaneously? Which was claimed. Do you not understand the implications of that?

Cheers,

Badeskov

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People's memories are so short. Just 2 years ago the internet was buzzing with the stupidest scam is a while: 2012.

Not only was it stupid but so much was based on stupid testimonials about time wave zero and stupid testimonials about new planets in the solar system, and stupid testimonials about events at pyramids, and testimonials about all sorts of new humans being born with 12 strand DNA, and it went on and on and on. Now I think everyone might agree that these were all worthless lies, but they were testimonials.

It's time for people to step beyond testimonials and find some real evidence. Stories are just stories until something backs up the stories.

Not enough "stupid" used in your post. :)

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It's recorded fact that Lockheed/Martin, and Boeing both were doing research on "Gravity Shielding".

Not to mention others in other countries.

With a cell phone no doubt.
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The complaint from people being asked for actual evidence of their claims is that the person asking is nothing more than a hardliner skeptic.

The skeptic is simply asking to make a decision based on reason and not speculation. Apparently using reason is frowned upon when the easy button says just go with anything no matter how preposterous.

The fall back for someone with apparently no interest in reason or evidence simply makes the foolish claim that the skeptic is calling all of the testimonials lies. Well in some cases they are obvious lies. The 2012 crowd was a big pack of liars. Just because they were almost all liars certainly should not be construed to suggest that others are liars. Often testimonials come from people that are confused about what they experienced and attempt to make sense of that experience by reporting what they think might have happened rather than what they experienced. The helicopter is a good example of that. They report 2 situations that contradict each other. Both cannot have happened.

I like what Holographic60 quotes from the wikipedia. I'll repeat it here.

"At least 14 United States universities and other research centers are hard at work cracking the gravity barrier. And backing the basic research with multi-million dollar secret projects is our aircraft industry."

Where did that come from? Here is the reference.

Gladych, M. (1957, July). Spaceship that conquers gravity. Mechanix Illustrated, 53(7), 98-100, 174, 181.

The comment which sounds like work that is currently ongoing is actually from 58 years ago. None of the link is about current efforts. Lots of new theories have been worked out in the last 58 years concerning gravity. What is in that article is long dropped efforts that did not pan out.

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Excuse me Dr. Zhivago?

:huh:

Holo...when it is pointed out that you are making shallow references that only have a peripheral connection to the main subject...

...Are you sure it is in your favor to reference a movie about a young medical student in a romantic tragedy based in the Russian Revolution following the first love-separation, rape, death, lost mentors, lost daughter formula...

Just because the word "doctor" is in the tile, and you wanted some sort of connection to psychology?

When did we ever meet that you could do such an intimate psychological workup of me?

It's really not that intimate. This is pretty standard, Oprah-level, stuff.

You know, I had stated earlier that it is easy to insult people, and ridicule. Takes no effort.

True enough, I suppose.

Thing of it is that, none of that affects the actual accuracy of the statements.

Even if it were true that you had been insulted, which it is not.

Easy to act superior, and empirical.

Yep, particularly when you are. Heck, I have to act humble, but I'm pretty bad at it, so I don't usually bother.

That's one hell'a Ego you're feeding there doctor! What's with that?

That's the advantage of 40+ years of rationality and education. You become very confident indeed. It is difficult to explain, in this day and age of instant information, that once upon, people had to actually work to earn their knowledge, and the amount of work and discipline that went into getting an education meant something.

It's not my fault you are hostile to all of the research evidence...

I'm fine with it. It's just the testimony that is useless. Most of the aggravation is from the enthusiasts, not the subject.

Hey, excuse me but this is "The Extraterrestrial Life, and The UFO Phenomenon" Forum.

Why are you here if you are so hostile to discussion on it?

Who says I am?

You?

Not a credible source.

So what is your degree in psychology, and when did we ever meet?

Well, I do have a certification in Kappasian psychology, but that doesn't really come into play here. This just isn't complex enough to warrant being referred to as a psychological issue. At best, this is merely behaviorism.

Also,

What I have been stating is that it's ridiculious to think all the witnesses giving testimonials are lying, including about their vehicles failing in the presence of UFO phenomena, and, that the weight of scientific research gives us indication that we are not alone in the vastness of the Universe!.

Congrats. You've come to the same conclusion all of us did a while ago (decades, for many of us).

Who are you arguing against, incidentally? No one here disagrees with what you just said.

As well... that in the 21st century, the technology of UFO's most certainly exists, even if it is only our own black ops research that accomplished it.

However, regarding the above, I doubt it.

Okay.

It's recorded fact that Lockheed/Martin, and Boeing both were doing research on "Gravity Shielding".

Not to mention others in other countries.

Okay. Not saying I believe you, but okay.

"At least 14 United States universities and other research centers are hard at work cracking the gravity barrier. And backing the basic research with multi-million dollar secret projects is our aircraft industry."

It's also been estimated how much in funds is secreted into Black Op's research programs, apart from any congressional approval.

Now, gven the fact that Time, Space, and Gravity are intimately connected, as I've stated prior, can't blame them for wanting to keep it under wraps.

What do you THINK?

I think you are already walking down the path to denial. You might still be able to realize that you aren't actually arguing with anyone, but that is not a given.

You are effectively shutting yourself out of some pretty interesting discussions on UFO's, simply because you refuse to discuss them on any terms other than your own.

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Yada, Yada, Yada, and a whole lott'a hot air.

Right, so glad we are in agreement then. You've made a claim here, that the military helicopter crew made conflicting statements about the UFO incident.

Where's the evidence you so strenuously demand of others? A citation? A reference?

It needs to be on video, and, from their own mouths because people can either purposely, or accidentaly misquote the source in text form.

Would like to see what you've got on that.

Otherwise, you have nothing.

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