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Do you deserve to exist? Why or Why not?


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#1    Ryu

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:26 PM

Just a passing thought, there seems to be this concept that we have a basic right to live..that we somehow deserve to live so I am just curious as to what you think.

Do you deserve to exist? Why or why not?


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:30 PM

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:34 PM

Do you need to deserve it?


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:35 PM

View PostRender, on 02 October 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Do you need to deserve it?

Who? Me? Of course not.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:35 PM

Wow.  Really.  This is just an unaswerable question.  You exist regardless of if you deserve it or not so to some extent you don't have a choice.  You do have a choice of existing or not after the fact so if you really believe you don't deserve to exist shouldn't you take the moral high ground, do the right thing and end it?

disclaimer:  I'm not telling anyone to kill themselves so don't do it.  If you're considering it find help.  I believe we're here because we're supposed to be.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:38 PM

View PostOverSword, on 02 October 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

disclaimer:  I'm not telling anyone to kill themselves so don't do it.

Really? Sounded to me like you just did in a roundabout way. :devil:  (kidding)

But in seriousness I ask because I have been reading quite a few articles and most of them claim how we have this right to exist, how we "deserve" to live and I just would like to know why or why not.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:38 PM

View PostRyu, on 02 October 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Who? Me? Of course not.

In general. Why would anybody have to be deserving of life. Why couldn't you just be alive and that's it, no right to be alive and also no reason not be alive.

And who would decide what is the premise of deserving life? Do you need to become a well respected citizen in your lifetime? Can you be a smooth criminal?

I don't think it's about having a right to be alive, it's about having rights once you are alive.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:39 PM

Exactly unanswerable. My parents act of fornication caused me to exist. I didn't ask them to fornicate nor did they ask me. They had me. This topic at least in the context as is, is rather hopless to contribute much of an answer to I feel.

SINcerely,
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EDIT: This notion of a "right" or to be "deserving" of anything is solely man's own ego.

Edited by Dying Seraph, 02 October 2012 - 09:42 PM.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostRender, on 02 October 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

In general. Why would anybody have to be deserving of life. Why couldn't you just be alive and that's it, no right to be alive and also no reason not be alive.

And who would decide what is the premise of deserving life? Do you need to become a well respected citizen in your lifetime? Can you be a smooth criminal?

I don't think it's about having a right to be alive, it's about having rights once you are alive.

Don't read too much into my passive post. I am not insinuating anything and if you thought I was then it was not my intentions.
But you do raise an interesting point regarding the "deserve/right to exist" thing...who is making that judgement?
How do we determine this so-called "right"?


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:49 PM

View PostRyu, on 02 October 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Don't read too much into my passive post. I am not insinuating anything and if you thought I was then it was not my intentions.
But you do raise an interesting point regarding the "deserve/right to exist" thing...who is making that judgement?
How do we determine this so-called "right"?

I didn't think you were insinuating anything, no worries.
Im just saying there is no real right to existence, it just happens. There is no guiding -overseeing- force over it. Therefore there is no true deserving of life, life just is.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:53 PM

View PostDying Seraph, on 02 October 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Exactly unanswerable. My parents act of fornication caused me to exist. I didn't ask them to fornicate nor did they ask me. They had me. This topic at least in the context as is, is rather hopless to contribute much of an answer to I feel.

SINcerely,
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EDIT: This notion of a "right" or to be "deserving" of anything is solely man's own ego.

Yeah I agree I mean who is to say we have a right to exist, and the way we kill off animals is just insanely sick

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:10 PM

Well if we exist that pretty much explains itself, lol. Self solved.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:25 PM

No we do not.  That we exist at all is a because of a very long list of fortunate events.  That doesn't mean we don't deserve it though, the universe doesn't "care" if we exist.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:29 PM

yes i deserve every single day that i wake up still chained to this awful physical body. it's my own fault really...karma and all that.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:34 PM

View PostRyu, on 02 October 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Just a passing thought, there seems to be this concept that we have a basic right to live..that we somehow deserve to live so I am just curious as to what you think.

Do you deserve to exist? Why or why not?

If everyone deserves to live, then why do nations like the U.S. continue with their death penalty crimes?  Condemning someone to die can be easily translated into that they don’t deserve to live.  I don’t think that existing without conscious willingness to be alive is a matter of deserving or not.  We are and there is nothing more to it.  Nor do I think life is so precious.  Who then rises to the position of such great power as to deem a person unworthy of life?





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