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Are we the earliest intelligent species ?


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:14 AM

i believe in ET but not UFOs or flying saucers


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:15 AM

 synchronomy, on 10 October 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:


Interesting.
I have often wondered what life would be like today if we had never been plagued by warfare, but had always resolved conflict through diplomatic means.
Or, what about if disease was non-existant, and never had been?

How would this change the way we are today?

For one thing, there would be a helluva lot more people around I think.
Well, one of the worlds biggest problems right now is overpopulation. The resources simply aren't there to provide a good quality of life to everyone out there. Disease is a result of this, I think of it as a part of the natural order.

Disease strikes where there is high amounts of squalor, most likely as a result of having more mouths than you can feed.

I also think two sides of the argument must be experienced when you mention warfare and diplomatic means before making a decision. Obviously, as we see it now, war is not a logical means of solving any problem right now. Though maybe thousands of years ago that thought would simply not have been considered.

Even though we have gone through all these population hindering phases, we still have this problem of overpopulation. Maybe if there wasn't war it could had led to more open minded thinking, I believe violence is a negative trait to a human being and has hindered in decision making that could have led to a better world.

These days everyone wants a car, their own house etc. Something earth can't support for the current population. Something needs to be done and I think something will be.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:18 AM

I think we just all need to get along. And not waste our time on wars... But that may lead to over population..  Or something is making us hate each other to start wars..


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:37 AM

This amazes me

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There are more stars in the Universe than there are grains of sand on Earth and there are an equal number of planets.

With those odds i can't even begin to comprend how big the Universe is let alone are Galaxy.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:43 AM

Its all just a dream,we sleep we dream we are what we think we are. Some sleep better than others. :tu: :tu:

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:55 AM

 kevink, on 11 October 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

I think we just all need to get along. And not waste our time on wars... But that may lead to over population..  Or something is making us hate each other to start wars..

Over population....
Maybe we need to hurry and develop better space travel and start populating other planets.
This would be a way to solve population issues. XD Of course that won't happen for a while....how sad I'd volunteer for populating another planet. My dreams are shattered!


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:57 AM

 Bionic Bigfoot, on 10 October 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

We are DEFINITELY not the first or the earliest. :alien:

Enrico Fermi is totally correct in his assumptions and speculations.

AND, this quote from the end of the article by Arthur C. Clarke speaks volumes....



This is exactly why our primitive ancestors viewed the beings visiting them in ancient times as Gods.  Their technology was like magic to our early ancestors and they were in awe.


How do you know for sure we are not the first, or for that matter, all there is?

You do not.

I would bet Fermi did not have this information.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:01 AM

 Ryegrog, on 10 October 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Are we really the most intelligent on our planet? We pollute and make war with each other. Intelligent? Hmmm

We also conserve forests, bring species back from the brink of extinction, we are even attempting to clone back lost species, take animals into our homes and care for them, and missionaries send barrels of food to the needy. We make places pretty, we clean up after ourselves (some have to do more cleaning than others) and we try to protect the environment. We revegitate, repopulate, and reinstate.

What do you think a T Rex might have done for a beached Dolphin, and what do humans do?

It's not all downhill. I do not think the planet should be held accountable for the few who spoil things.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:02 AM

 psyche101, on 11 October 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

We also conserve forests, bring species back from the brink of extinction, we are even attempting to clone back lost species, take animals into our homes and care for them, and missionaries send barrels of food to the needy. We make places pretty, we clean up after ourselves (some have to do more cleaning than others) and we try to protect the environment. We revegitate, repopulate, and reinstate.

What do you think a T Rex might have done for a beached Dolphin, and what do humans do?

It's not all downhill. I do not think the planet should be held accountable for the few who spoil things.

We have destroyed more then we have fixed.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:59 PM

This is a little self absorbed of mankind isn't it...


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:25 PM

 Biff Wellington, on 11 October 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

This is a little self absorbed of mankind isn't it...

Come on Biff, that is what we are best at, you know 'what are WE here for' and all that 'we are important' nonsense...

I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to show me where the hell Helen of Annoy has been for the past couple of months.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:16 PM

Of course not, Dolphins, chimps and Octopuses are also intelligent.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:50 PM

 stevemagegod, on 11 October 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

This amazes me



With those odds i can't even begin to comprend how big the Universe is let alone are Galaxy.
Lets consider the possibility of universe clusters for a moment... Yeah. Incomprehensible isn't it? Who knows what the ultimate container for all this is.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:59 PM

 Bionic Bigfoot, on 10 October 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

Enrico Fermi is totally correct in his assumptions and speculations.

Enrico Fermi'd roll over in his motherf%g grave if he heard that stupid sh&%it. I mean, he'd just turn over ass up in your face. He wouldn't give a f*^!

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:35 PM

The universe is an estimated 14 billion years old. I'm pretty sure we're not it.





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