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[HerNibs]

Halloween78, on 29 September 2011 - 07:14 PM, said:

Would you move out less than a month after moving in?

Possibly, if I over extended myself and my business started getting slower and I knew it was going to be a financial mess.

Then I would try to think of how to get more money...

Nibs

[rashore]

None of the other owners seemed to have a problem. Even the DeFeo's lived there for years.

The current owners said they love the place- They closed on the house last year in September. The only things haunting them are all the frigging jacknapes who think it's ok to trespass in the name of curiosity.

And I have to correct myself on a previous post about the house being moved- that was a different house, not this one.

As for why buy a house and then leave after only a month? I dunno, maybe because it makes for a fantastic story. Buy a murder house, wig out before even making a payment, got a good excuse to dump the expensive property and launch a franchise. I would call it a brilliant plan.

Back to the original article- it's a year and a half old, and the house is NOT for sale. The current owners bought it about three months or so after it went on the market.

[Order66]

I can't tell you the Lutz's story was true, but I have just found it to be a weird story from any angle, very little about it seems cut and dry enough to just chalk it up to a hoax. I can say that I have watched and heard interviews with George Lutz and he seems to be sincere. I personally believe that he believes the experiences were real. I have also seen an interview with William Weber and I was not so convinced in his version of events. He talks like a used car salesman and that's what I think his version of the story amounts to.

[Sakari]

Halloween78, on 29 September 2011 - 07:44 PM, said:

I can't tell you the Lutz's story was true, but I have just found it to be a weird story from any angle, very little about it seems cut and dry enough to just chalk it up to a hoax. I can say that I have watched and heard interviews with George Lutz and he seems to be sincere. I personally believe that he believes the experiences were real. I have also seen an interview with William Weber and I was not so convinced in his version of events. He talks like a used car salesman and that's what I think his version of the story amounts to.

Like I said, either believe people made it up to make money..........


or


Believe that a Demon infested house ( that only effected Lutz, and no other families there ) exists......



I like to choose more towards reality myself.

( I think the demon story is more like a used car salesman myself )

Edited by Sakari, 29 September 2011 - 07:51 PM.

[Order66]

Weber is saying he concocted the story to get a retrial for DeFeo, so Weber is basically telling you he is a liar. Isn't it fallacious to believe Weber is telling the truth about the Lutzes, and that it's all a hoax? He's already discredited himself. At least George Lutz stuck to his story.

Edited by Halloween78, 29 September 2011 - 07:59 PM.

[Damrod]

Buy it and make a tourist trap...win-win!  Cept I am just a po-boy...   and can't afford it....

[Obsessive]

I was under the impression that the house in this movie is not the same house that was actually haunted... I thought the real haunted house was bulldozed many years ago?  Have I confused this with a different haunting?

Edited by Obsessive, 29 September 2011 - 08:13 PM.

[rashore]

Obsessive, on 29 September 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

I was under the impression that the house in this movie is not the same house that was actually haunted... I thought the real haunted house was bulldozed many years ago?  Have I confused this with a different haunting?

Maybe confused?
The actual house is still standing where it was built, but the people who lived there after the Lutz's had the address changed to try to throw off the curiosity seekers.

The house where the filming of the first movie was done is supposed to have been moved a bit to allow for the building of another house, but not demolished. It's been reported as being on Brooks Road in Toms River, NJ. Interestingly, that house is indeed up for sale right now. real estate listing.

It was my bad in an earlier post that I got the two houses mixed up, and reported in error that the real house had been moved.

[ItsaDollThang]

You're probably thinking of the so called "Exorcist House" in Maryland. That house which many people thought was the setting for the exorcism that inspired Peter Blatty to write the book I believe was torn down years ago. It had a reputation for being the bad house for years, but as it turns out the boy wasn't from that area of MD and it was the wrong house. (The possessed boy ended up working for NASA as an adult. It blows my mind that he was once exorcised and yet grew up to send rockets to the moon!!!) They did renumber the Lutz's house in Amity at once point and redo the outside, but people know which one it is anyway and some people still go and gawk.

Do I believe the Lutzes? Partly. I do believe it's likely that something was going on in that house. After a multiple murder like that I can see there being something going on, but I don't think it was demons. I think George Lutz and his family were a lot like the DeFeo's and that probably caused stuff to happen. There are certain physical resemblances there and it may be that triggered it whatever happened. Or someone in the family, likely one of the kids may have attracted something by virtue of some sort of latent psychic gift. They likely embroidered what actually happened to the 9th degree most likely, I think. Good tall tale, at least partly, I think. George and his ex-wife probably convinced themselves it was all true by the time they were done.

There are many cases of haunting though where for some reason one family is just dogged by whatever is there but another only experiences random stuff if that. I firmly believe that when major shiz happens it's usually because someone in the family is open psychically to it and they unwittingly open a door. The next family comes along and they're all psychically null pretty much, and nothing worth mentioning will ever likely happen.  If you can't be "heard" by anyone in the house then what's the point of making a racket, right?  

But I don't believe that house was demon possessed or that Ronald DeFeo ever was. I think that was just what he dreamed up for court. It was his version of an insanity defense. Ghosts of his dead family bugging the Lutz family, now that I can see. Butchered in my own house by a member of my own family? I might be upset enough to stick around for a while and hope there was someone there who could hear me rage. Supposedly it was all about drugs and DeFeo being in debt to bad people and his father not helping when he could have given him money. Drug inspired rage killing, nothing paranormal.

Would I buy the house if I could and I had the money? Jury's out on that one. I'd have to see it myself, walk in there, spend a night or three there maybe. If I didn't get anything I'd probably buy it and turn it into a B&B like the Lizzie Borden house. That place would draw business, no problem. But if I walked in there and got really bad vibes? No way, no chance, ever. I trust my instincts on that score.

I think it could be haunted, yes, by the people murdered there. Why not? More likely than not I'd say, but I don't think they "talk" to just anyone. Maybe they hated the Lutz family for some reason. Maybe they don't mind the people who moved in after? But just because they're not rattling cabinets and such doesn't mean they aren't still there.

[Regency]

Here's an interesting interview with the people who moved in after the Lutz's, they actually took them to court.

http://www.amityvill...om/history.html

However, there was this photo too...
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[mcrguy18]

i'd buy it ......then burn it to the ground

[Regency]

I wonder if anyone could just buy it for any purpose - you could turn it into a tourist attraction, or would the neighbourhood have a say??

[Order66]

Regency, on 30 September 2011 - 05:22 PM, said:

I wonder if anyone could just buy it for any purpose - you could turn it into a tourist attraction, or would the neighbourhood have a say??

I doubt it, it looks like kind of an upscale neighborhood, they are probably strict about what kind of business can open and where.

[Sakari]

Regency, on 30 September 2011 - 05:22 PM, said:

I wonder if anyone could just buy it for any purpose - you could turn it into a tourist attraction, or would the neighbourhood have a say??

The neighborhood would not have a say, the zoning would. ( business, commercial,residential,etc)

But, it depends on the local zoning laws, and other loopholes.People can run a personal business from their homes, many do.And this might be one that can be run.

Neighbors can not tell someone if they can buy a house or not, and what they can do with it....This is still the USA...

[_Only]

Halloween78, on 29 September 2011 - 07:44 PM, said:

I can't tell you the Lutz's story was true, but I have just found it to be a weird story from any angle, very little about it seems cut and dry enough to just chalk it up to a hoax. I can say that I have watched and heard interviews with George Lutz and he seems to be sincere. I personally believe that he believes the experiences were real. I have also seen an interview with William Weber and I was not so convinced in his version of events. He talks like a used car salesman and that's what I think his version of the story amounts to.

The writer of the story has publicly admitted to writing it, presenting it to the Warren duo, them telling him it wasn't scary enough, then him re-writing it to make it more scary. Whether or not some of it was based on some fact is up to us to find out, but probably what you found weird about it, was because it was written and re-written to be a very scary, disturbing horror story.