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#16    Blue Box

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:14 PM

sear on Jul 8 2008, 01:50 PM, said:

Blue,
Perhaps I'm not quite the cynic you are.

I'm not prepared to assume everyone lies all the time.

My position is, the prospective vote buyer might, or might not get what he thinks he's paying for.

And either way, he might never know.


wink2.gif I don't assume everyone lies, only the people I don't know very well laugh.gif .  I'm more or less cautious of who I don't know, I know they have no reason not to lie since they have no connection to me (unless they have evidence to back up what they are selling or what have you is true).    I for one am a pretty honest and blunt person and have always been ever since I was little.  I see no reason to lie when the truth is much more believable to me.  I'm not saying their aren't more out there like me, I'm just saying I'd rather be safe then sorry until I can honestly trust the person (Once bitten twice shy deal here for me).
You are right about the buyer might or might not get what he is paying for and would never really be able to know which is what I was also getting at.  "Buyer Beware" is a very truthful statement for this.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:27 PM

sear on Jul 8 2008, 07:04 AM, said:

According to this article, "1893 state law that makes it a crime to offer to buy or sell a vote."
Is it a crime in your State?
Should it be?
Can / should a State law have legal bearing on a federal election?

What is the reason that selling votes is a bad, or good idea?


It is a very bad idea. I think it shouldn't be legal. My reason is being that the only people who would want to sell their vote are poorer people who need money, or even middle class people who just need money or want money. Therefore, our future would be in the hands of only the richest people in America. All the rich people or maybe even just a few who want a certain candidate to win would be out buying people's votes. Also this could start a secret campaign for one or both candidates to track down these people and buy their votes. Another thing is, I am democrat, and it has been proven that most very wealthy people (I'm talking people who make 500,000 a year and higher) are republican. So if the rich bought the regular people's votes then we would more than likely have a republican in office every time.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:30 PM

ohio traveler on Jul 8 2008, 08:33 AM, said:

Some candidates try and buy your vote now  by promising you welfare and handouts in return for your vote.


or promising tax cuts while huge deficits abound.

Edited by Lt_Ripley, 08 July 2008 - 06:30 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:31 PM

I remember my mom telling me that her dad would always lecture her mom about who exactly she should vote for.  ( Always straight Republican ticket ).  But once she got in the voting booth, she voted for the exact opposite people.  It was just her little way of getting back at him for him constantly lecturing her like she was a child.

So.  Once people get behind the curtain, no one knows who they vote for.



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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:36 PM

ohio traveler on Jul 8 2008, 01:31 PM, said:

I remember my mom telling me that her dad would always lecture her mom about who exactly she should vote for.  ( Always straight Republican ticket ).  But once she got in the voting booth, she voted for the exact opposite people.  It was just her little way of getting back at him for him constantly lecturing her like she was a child.

So.  Once people get behind the curtain, no one knows who they vote for.


Another good point. You can't trust everyone anyways.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:40 PM

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Some candidates try and buy your vote now by promising you welfare and handouts in return for your vote.


Irony of irony, they buy your vote with your own money... tongue.gif

However, I would never sell my vote. Why sell your will to decide your fate to someone else? Tells a lot about anyone who would even consider that thing...

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 07:04 PM

Lt_Ripley on Jul 8 2008, 02:30 PM, said:

or promising tax cuts while huge deficits abound.


I like both ideas.

Less handouts + Less taxes = Less government

Sounds like a winning combination to me.




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Posted 08 July 2008 - 09:22 PM

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"I know they have no reason not to lie since they have no connection to me" Blue

"All honors wounds are self-inflicted." Andrew Carnegie
One reason for them not to lie is their own integrity.

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"I for one am a pretty honest" Blue

Me too.
However, if you watch the Liam Neeson movie Rob Roy you may find that this is an unacceptably low standard of honesty. "pretty honest" is basically a less scalding euphemism for "dishonest".

We should know better!


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Posted 08 July 2008 - 09:32 PM

The answer in no it should not be legal for the purpose of ensuring democracy is fair and elections don't get rigged like it's supposed to be.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 10:07 PM

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One reason for them not to lie is their own integrity. ~sear

Some people do not have a conscience or integrity and don't really care about anybody but themselves.  I know I have seen it.  Which is why I am cautious of other people.  I do not mean all but there are quite a few people out there like that.


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Me too.
However, if you watch the Liam Neeson movie Rob Roy you may find that this is an unacceptably low standard of honesty. "pretty honest" is basically a less scalding euphemism for "dishonest".

We should know better! ~sear


As for the movie "Rob Roy", I've never seen it.  I guess "pretty honest" to one person means another thing to the next, maybe I should of said "very honest and to the point" when I approach you hmm.gif.  You do not know me I do not know you one can never tell who is on the other side of the internet.  Which brings me back to "I don't assume everyone lies, only the people I don't know very well".  I don't know you very well, you don't know me very well either until I do know you well or you can prove to me other wise I will always be cautious of you. I guess you do the same with me huh, since you are basically calling me dishonest laugh.gif ?  

Edited by Blue Box, 08 July 2008 - 10:10 PM.

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