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Did man and dinosaur co-exist?


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#286    pallidin

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:00 AM

At best, human ancestory is something like 500,000 years old.
The dinosaurs went extinct MILLIONS of years before that. I think?

Anyway, I think a lot of confusion exists because of the Wooly Mamoths, saber-tooth cats and such that are known to have been killed by early humans. But, those animals were way after the dinosaurs. Cartoons(and b-rated movies) seems to further this illusion.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:16 AM

Did man and dinosaur co-exist? no but I think some of those dino dragons maybe still be round.:)


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:40 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 19 November 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

I think some of those dino dragons maybe still be round. :)
Or as we like to call them ... "chickens".

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:46 AM

View Postpallidin, on 19 November 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

At best, human ancestory is something like 500,000 years old.
The dinosaurs went extinct MILLIONS of years before that. I think?
Around 65 million years, yeah. Little bit of a time difference. Birds are directly related, though. And terror birds were an apt description for some.

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Anyway, I think a lot of confusion exists because of the Wooly Mamoths, saber-tooth cats and such that are known to have been killed by early humans. But, those animals were way after the dinosaurs. Cartoons(and b-rated movies) seems to further this illusion.
Don't forget they killed humans to. :D

But yeah, pop media doesn't help much.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:47 AM

View PostSwede, on 19 November 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

At your request. First, it would appear that you are working from a limited knowledge of the extent of current forensic/bio-anth research. As a primer to the osteological aspects of this topic, Burns 2007 would be recommended.

The following is an educationally based reference that may illuminate you in regards to some of the structural details that are evaluated (and in what manner they are evaluated). Kindly study.

https://www.nabt.org...ebABTonline.pdf

For a somewhat broader view that incorporates technological research in combination with bio-anth research, the following may be of interest. A bit dated, but essentially sound:

http://volgagermanbr...s/klein2000.pdf

For more intensive detail:

http://www.colorado....horp2003CBP.pdf

Once again, these are but a small minority of the white papers/articles available on the general topic. The key point to bear in mind is that there are quite a multiplicity of studies, conducted from a number of perspectives, that all document evolutionary theory. In the above references, this would refer more specifically to hominid/hominin evolution.

And a question - Would you now be proposing that every paleoanthropological recovery represents a "deformed individual"? Have you actually considered the statistical/survival probability of such?

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What is the probability of not finding a single specimen of the evolutionary human ancestor? Not all paleoanthropological finds are deformed some are seperate extinct chimps etc.
Have read a lot about the general commentaries on so called hominid fossils,but i find them highly speculative and improbable.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:54 AM

View PostClobhair-cean, on 18 November 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

It's funny that you ask for empirical evidence and repeatedly ignore all empirical evidence at the same time. We've given you all the evidence in the world, and you have replied with "I don't think so", because you obviously know better than the scientists who, you know, studied these things for decades.

Also, lol at harunyahya.com. Is that the best you can do? The lunatic ramblings of a deranged Islamic fundamentalist? Wow, and I thought you couldn't get any lower.
So are you going to label me a Muslim Fundamentalist now?
No one in their sane mind can question empirical evidence,but the way some storytellers interpret the evidence seems ridiculous.Why not apply Ocams Razor for these hypothesis.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:04 AM

View Postpallidin, on 19 November 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

At best, human ancestory is something like 500,000 years old.
The dinosaurs went extinct MILLIONS of years before that. I think?

Anyway, I think a lot of confusion exists because of the Wooly Mamoths, saber-tooth cats and such that are known to have been killed by early humans. But, those animals were way after the dinosaurs. Cartoons(and b-rated movies) seems to further this illusion.

In addition to this i think the fact it is extremely hard for us to even comprehend 65 million years. It tends to get squashed down into something we can manage more easily thus loosing the sense of just how distant we are from dinos.

    

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 22 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

What is the probability of not finding a single specimen of the evolutionary human ancestor?
given we're discovering new Dinosaurs each year, tonnes of new CURRENTLY EXISTANT species each month, I'd say not finding what would amount to a few million at thr most humanish bones is likely.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:06 PM

It's quite possible, the human species has changed a fair bit since the start of the species, with air quality, sickness, moderation, man made toxins all the way self punishment/mutilation of the body.

If derros can live next to toxic factories there is nothing to say we couldn't breath the air back then imagining it would have been of cleaner quality.

why is everyone so &^%$ing concerned with "the end"...
new beginnings is what you should be concerned about...

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:06 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 22 November 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

So are you going to label me a Muslim Fundamentalist now?

No. But you are relying on the lunatic ramblings of Muslim fundamentalists as evidence. That doesn't shine a good light on your claims.

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 22 November 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

No one in their sane mind can question empirical evidence,but the way some storytellers interpret the evidence seems ridiculous.Why not apply Ocams Razor for these hypothesis.

So now scientists are storytellers. Are you the true scientists in their stead, a shining beacon of knowledge without any training or expertise in their field?


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:41 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 22 November 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

What is the probability of not finding a single specimen of the evolutionary human ancestor? Not all paleoanthropological finds are deformed some are seperate extinct chimps etc.
Have read a lot about the general commentaries on so called hominid fossils,but i find them highly speculative and improbable.

Re: Bolded #1 - But that is the point. Numerous representatives of pre-H.s.s. lineages have been recovered and analyzed. Extensively.

Re: Bolded #2 - You have "read a lot about the general commentaries on so called hominid fossils"? In what references? Have you actually studied the technical reports? Do you have any formal training/experience in faunal analysis that would allow you to provide credible interpretation of an osteological recovery? Are you truly aware of all the subtleties of such aspects as bio-mechanics that are involved in such evaluations as locomotive capability/manner?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

View PostSwede, on 23 November 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

Do you have any formal training/experience in faunal analysis that would allow you to provide credible interpretation of an osteological recovery?

Just say you need the Viagra, Swede.  No need to beat around the bush.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:35 PM

View PostHarte, on 24 November 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Just say you need the Viagra, Swede.  No need to beat around the bush.

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Major eruptive laughter! (Following the spontaneous spewing of my Saturday morning tea all over the monitor!). Too good.

Is a blog documenting the details of "the recovery" in order?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:09 AM

Your deft use of the language was a siren call to the darker aspects of my persona.  Unable to eschew a cheap chuckle, I saw perfection and had to rain ridicule down upon it.

If one defers from ridiculing perfection, one makes the tacit statement that one is less than said ideal.

IOW, you seemed to be gettin a mite high-falutin,' even uppity, in yer comment.

No blog necessary, BTW.  Well, okay, maybe just some pics.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:43 AM

View PostHarte, on 24 November 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Just say you need the Viagra, Swede.  No need to beat around the bush.

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Holy crap, Harte, that one caught me off guard. I'm luckier than Swede in not having been drinking anything, or it might've gotten messy.

However, the laughter I barked out probably woke the neighborhood.

I haven't paid much attention to this thread but I can see similarities to the Ice Age thread, where evolution and science are being ignored because they just don't sound right but a fundamentalist website will set us straight!

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