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#1    stevemagegod

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:50 AM

It's hard to believe that we as Legal Gun Holders are having are privacy rights violated by placing everyone's names and addresses on the internet putting are family's at risk of harassment and safety just because we own a Gun all due to a so called Freedom of Information's act request. So i just had a crazy thought. How about we file a Freedom of Information request at internet companies requesting everyone who has a contract with internet access requesting everyone's Name, and addresses and placed on a interactive Map just like how the news organization did to us Gun owners.

Now think about it: Everyone has a computer these days and most of us has internet access. Yet more crimes are committed with a computer and internet access that cost billions of dollars than Guns do all year long. A Freedom of information request would make tracking people who commit computer crimes much easier since all people have to do is change your ip address or use a proxy. But changing where you like is much much harder.

Its such a crazy idea that no one would do it. Because almost everyone has internet access these days. And it would get shot down so fast it would make your heads spin. Yet you put Legal Gun Holding citizens information out there on the web without are permission.

Edited by stevemagegod, 17 February 2013 - 01:04 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:17 AM

It was a pure bit of bullying IMO.
It's not like "naming and shaming" paedophiles or drug dealers, because unlike them, gun owners aren't criminals.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:44 AM

View Poststevemagegod, on 17 February 2013 - 12:50 AM, said:

It's hard to believe that we as Legal Gun Holders are having are privacy rights violated by placing everyone's names and addresses on the internet putting are family's at risk of harassment and safety just because we own a Gun all due to a so called Freedom of Information's act request. So i just had a crazy thought. How about we file a Freedom of Information request at internet companies requesting everyone who has a contract with internet access requesting everyone's Name, and addresses and placed on a interactive Map just like how the news organization did to us Gun owners.

1 - clearly you don't know the difference between government and private enterprise. Gun registration is with government. Government files are public documents. Clearly available to anyone. If you don't want your name there - don't own a gun. Private enterprise is by definition private. So you don't have public access to their records.

2 - this is already available. Most phone records are published as "white pages". These have already been mapped and available to anyone publically - if you pay the person that did it.

3 - partial Device IP addresses are available  to private enterprise (ISP), but consider this. Many computers are behind a router that assigns dynamic IPs. That means they are not permanent to a device. A single router can service many devices both wired and wireless, both public and private, of many uses. a device can acquire a different IP based on whatever network it is currently attached and then something else later. They could use the devices physical address which does not change but that's even more difficult. It's not really practical.

4 - the "risk" you fear is mostly paranoia.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:07 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 17 February 2013 - 01:17 AM, said:

It was a pure bit of bullying IMO.
It's not like "naming and shaming" paedophiles or drug dealers, because unlike them, gun owners aren't criminals.

Exactly so why are they treating us level 3 Sex Offenders wtf?


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:13 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 17 February 2013 - 01:17 AM, said:

It was a pure bit of bullying IMO.
It's not like "naming and shaming" paedophiles or drug dealers, because unlike them, gun owners aren't criminals.
For awhile.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:15 AM

that was one f the stupidest things ive ever seen done. well itleast it made the top 50. The past 4 years has had alot of stupids thrown at us.

Edited by AsteroidX, 17 February 2013 - 08:20 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

View Postninjadude, on 17 February 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:



1 - clearly you don't know the difference between government and private enterprise. Gun registration is with government. Government files are public documents. Clearly available to anyone. If you don't want your name there - don't own a gun. Private enterprise is by definition private. So you don't have public access to their records.



Fine. Let's publish the names and addresses of everyone on government assistance. Or... How about you give us your name and address since it's no big deal. C'mon, put your money where your mouth is and tell us who you are.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:39 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 17 February 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Fine. Let's publish the names and addresses of everyone on government assistance. Or... How about you give us your name and address since it's no big deal. C'mon, put your money where your mouth is and tell us who you are.

His name is Rahm and his last name starts with an e :lol:

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:41 PM

I think it's Jay Carney or Debbie Waserman Schultz.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:16 AM

View Poststevemagegod, on 17 February 2013 - 12:50 AM, said:

It's hard to believe that we as Legal Gun Holders are having are privacy rights violated by placing everyone's names and addresses on the internet putting are family's at risk of harassment and safety just because we own a Gun all due to a so called Freedom of Information's act request. So i just had a crazy thought. How about we file a Freedom of Information request at internet companies requesting everyone who has a contract with internet access requesting everyone's Name, and addresses and placed on a interactive Map just like how the news organization did to us Gun owners.

Now think about it: Everyone has a computer these days and most of us has internet access. Yet more crimes are committed with a computer and internet access that cost billions of dollars than Guns do all year long. A Freedom of information request would make tracking people who commit computer crimes much easier since all people have to do is change your ip address or use a proxy. But changing where you like is much much harder.

Its such a crazy idea that no one would do it. Because almost everyone has internet access these days. And it would get shot down so fast it would make your heads spin. Yet you put Legal Gun Holding citizens information out there on the web without are permission.

You do know that you can fill out a form to not be included in FOI requests of gun owners, right?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:36 AM

View PostRafterman, on 18 February 2013 - 12:16 AM, said:

You do know that you can fill out a form to not be included in FOI requests of gun owners, right?

Yes i know. But thats not the point here.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:17 AM

I hope this is relevant, don't want to sidetrack, but these guys are making more and more sense:


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:36 AM

There videos and the sources they sight are 100% accurate and can be found easily with google. So yes its a lot of hard search engine work condensed into a video. With an opinion that is not pro gun and actually they are a strictly non violent group.

There library of violations of Human Rights violations on American soil and Unconstitutional actions by our Government continue to be documented.

This is a link to a gal that did an extreme amount research on Financial corruption leading up and following the OWS movement. It still remains relevant although it a vast compilation of material.

http://hopegirl2012....on-by-hopegirl/

I like to put these 2 together when I want to see the big picture as that is one of anons longer videos. We live in different times today and must be aware.

Edited by AsteroidX, 18 February 2013 - 03:37 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

View Postninjadude, on 17 February 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

1 - clearly you don't know the difference between government and private enterprise. Gun registration is with government. Government files are public documents. Clearly available to anyone. If you don't want your name there - don't own a register your gun. Private enterprise is by definition private. So you don't have public access to their records.

2 - this is already available. Most phone records are published as "white pages". These have already been mapped and available to anyone publically - if you pay the person that did it.

3 - partial Device IP addresses are available  to private enterprise (ISP), but consider this. Many computers are behind a router that assigns dynamic IPs. That means they are not permanent to a device. A single router can service many devices both wired and wireless, both public and private, of many uses. a device can acquire a different IP based on whatever network it is currently attached and then something else later. They could use the devices physical address which does not change but that's even more difficult. It's not really practical.

4 - the "risk" you fear is mostly paranoia.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

If publishing handgun license information was such a craptacular idea, I'm not sure why doing it again in other forms would be a good idea?





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