bubblykiss Posted May 30, 2015 #1 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Washington (CNN) An ISIS fighter who calls for jihad in a new online video was trained in counterterrorism tactics on American soil, in a program run by the United States, officials tell CNN. The video features a former police commander from Tajikistan named Col. Gulmurod Khalimov. He appears in black ISIS garb with a sniper rifle and a bandolier of ammunition. He says in the video that he participated in programs on U.S. soil three times, at least one of which was in Louisiana. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/politics/isis-man-trained-in-us/index.html ******** You hire mercenaries to fight your wars, and they outsource their jobs to sub-mercenaries. This world is an interesting place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 30, 2015 #2 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Well, it's how ol' ObL got started, it's a good career move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted May 30, 2015 #3 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Same with the 19 allah snackbars on 911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted May 30, 2015 #4 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Washington (CNN) An ISIS fighter who calls for jihad in a new online video was trained in counterterrorism tactics on American soil, in a program run by the United States, officials tell CNN. The video features a former police commander from Tajikistan named Col. Gulmurod Khalimov. He appears in black ISIS garb with a sniper rifle and a bandolier of ammunition. He says in the video that he participated in programs on U.S. soil three times, at least one of which was in Louisiana. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/politics/isis-man-trained-in-us/index.html ******** You hire mercenaries to fight your wars, and they outsource their jobs to sub-mercenaries. This world is an interesting place. Much of the mind behind isis is the reminants of of Hussain's former Ba'ath party. The were despersed after the war, but like bad weeds they are seeded everywhere. The war never ended they simply were waiting for the power vacuum that would inevitably follow to make their counter offensive. Make no mistake the second gulf war never ended. Our enemy which is our own Frankenstein simply played dead for a bit waited for the tide to change and revived itself. I imagine much of their financing and weapons were hidden by hussain himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 30, 2015 #5 Share Posted May 30, 2015 That certainly played a part in it but the oil income, cash and weapons from the taking of Mosul, cash and weapons from their Syrian branch, cash and support from foreign supporters, and the apparently endless stream of foreign fighters and ISIS brides is a big factor too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 30, 2015 #6 Share Posted May 30, 2015 We don't lose unless we give up. Yes, it is a difficult war and yes there will be many tragedies along the way but the bottom line is that they will NOT give up and we cannot either, unless we want to be ruled by them. It really IS that simple. Ultimately we will have to become very much like them in brutality or they will win. That happens in war and it isn't the end of the world. The allies slaughtered 100's of thousands in Europe in WWII to put an end to an even worse evil. We restored freedom and democracy afterward, it can happen again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allesehir Posted May 30, 2015 #7 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Much of the mind behind isis is the reminants of of Hussain's former Ba'ath party. The were despersed after the war, but like bad weeds they are seeded everywhere. The war never ended they simply were waiting for the power vacuum that would inevitably follow to make their counter offensive. Make no mistake the second gulf war never ended. Our enemy which is our own Frankenstein simply played dead for a bit waited for the tide to change and revived itself. I imagine much of their financing and weapons were hidden by hussain himself. OH so your saying they got a blow to the head and yet still live ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allesehir Posted May 30, 2015 #8 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) We don't lose unless we give up. Yes, it is a difficult war and yes there will be many tragedies along the way but the bottom line is that they will NOT give up and we cannot either, unless we want to be ruled by them. It really IS that simple. Ultimately we will have to become very much like them in brutality or they will win. That happens in war and it isn't the end of the world. The allies slaughtered 100's of thousands in Europe in WWII to put an end to an even worse evil. We restored freedom and democracy afterward, it can happen again. I know that this is what I want to think. but I also think there is other things in the wind and that we have to listen and study because other things are afoot.. and that is not to anyway deminish those who are trying to protect their neighbors from cowards and thieves who hide behind children , that is worthy always. but...... Edited May 30, 2015 by Allesehir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regeneratia Posted May 30, 2015 #9 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) I swear to gods that IS is orchestrated by rogue factions of government in three countries: Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA. Maybe it isn't so rogue in SA and Israel. But I ask, what the hades is Don Rumsfeld doing these days with that foundation of his, where did he get the money from it while trillion$ have gone missing from the Pentagon shortly before 9-11 under a duel USA/Israeli citizen Pentagon Comptroller? We know from Rumsfeld's leaked memo that he was willing to PAY terrorist into stances that he wanted to see. IS is attacking enemies of Israel and SA, as well as enemies of that rogue faction of the USA ex-government officials. I don't need a mainstream media news/propaganda campaign to put deductive and inductive reasoning to play. Let's face it. The USA illegal invasion and extremely dubious occupation of Iraq FAILED. Lets face the fact that citizens of this country had no stomach to war with Syria. Thus the campaign to war with Syria FAILED, even tho it is the wrong guy they are after, the father, not the son. So they, that Rogue USA ex-government officials, use strongly funded terrorist campaigns to meet their goals now. Just what was in those energy task force papers that burned up in Cheney's old exec office FIRE? Edited May 30, 2015 by regeneratia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted May 30, 2015 #10 Share Posted May 30, 2015 OH so your saying they got a blow to the head and yet still live ? I'm saying they knew the blow was comeing. How could they not? They are our enemies. It's a mistake to think they are stupid. They were in thjs for the long haul and knew we were not. That was their only advantage and they are using it well. I'd imagine they are already hideing amoung the population of nearly every place they wish to conquer. Infiltration is very effective. We are in a very bad a position. We are have haveing problems with Russia and China, and the Middle East was a miserable failure. We must be very careful. Russia and Chinese sentiment is turning against us, the world is in the beginnings of a very very precarious place. The only thing holding it together right now is global commerce. No one wants to shut down all our economies. We must defeat this enemy decisively and imeadiatly and establish our strength. Screwing around with platitudes is not in the Arib culture, the Russian culture, nor the Chinese a culture. And it's only a recent one in our culture as well. Make no mistake China, Russia, and whatever the Middle East ends up as will seek to grow their influence. We have two choices. Let them do it and isolate ourselves with self sufciency or compete with them. All In or all out anything in between is a megolithic mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted May 30, 2015 #11 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Meh... if he was trained by Freddie Roache I'd maybe consider a tremble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 30, 2015 #12 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I'm saying they knew the blow was coming. How could they not? They are our enemies. It's a mistake to think they are stupid. They were in thjs for the long haul and knew we were not. That was their only advantage and they are using it well. I'd imagine they are already hideing amoung the population of nearly every place they wish to conquer. Infiltration is very effective. We are in a very bad a position. We are have having problems with Russia and China, and the Middle East was a miserable failure. We must be very careful. Russia and Chinese sentiment is turning against us, the world is in the beginnings of a very very precarious place. The only thing holding it together right now is global commerce. No one wants to shut down all our economies. We must defeat this enemy decisively and immediately and establish our strength. Screwing around with platitudes is not in the Arab culture, the Russian culture, nor the Chinese a culture. And it's only a recent one in our culture as well. Make no mistake China, Russia, and whatever the Middle East ends up as will seek to grow their influence. We have two choices. Let them do it and isolate ourselves with self sufficiency or compete with them. All In or all out anything in between is a megolithic mistake. And whose fault is that? If the State department and the CIA hadn't "encouraged" "popular uprisings" all over the place, and (as in Ukraine) put in place governments (if you can honour the bunch of thugs in Kiev with such a description) that "wanted closer ties with the West", and insist that they have the right to dictate what China does in its own home waters, the "free World" wouldn't have have to "compete" with them to prevent them "spreading their influence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 30, 2015 #13 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I'm saying they knew the blow was comeing. How could they not? They are our enemies. It's a mistake to think they are stupid. They were in thjs for the long haul and knew we were not. That was their only advantage and they are using it well. I'd imagine they are already hideing amoung the population of nearly every place they wish to conquer. Infiltration is very effective. We are in a very bad a position. We are have haveing problems with Russia and China, and the Middle East was a miserable failure. We must be very careful. Russia and Chinese sentiment is turning against us, the world is in the beginnings of a very very precarious place. The only thing holding it together right now is global commerce. No one wants to shut down all our economies. We must defeat this enemy decisively and imeadiatly and establish our strength. Screwing around with platitudes is not in the Arib culture, the Russian culture, nor the Chinese a culture. And it's only a recent one in our culture as well. Make no mistake China, Russia, and whatever the Middle East ends up as will seek to grow their influence. We have two choices. Let them do it and isolate ourselves with self sufciency or compete with them. All In or all out anything in between is a megolithic mistake. If what you say is true, why wouldn't they disappear and just wait another 10 years? Or move to a different country and start over considering they now have a huge influx of foreign fighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regeneratia Posted May 30, 2015 #14 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Washington (CNN) An ISIS fighter who calls for jihad in a new online video was trained in counterterrorism tactics on American soil, in a program run by the United States, officials tell CNN. The video features a former police commander from Tajikistan named Col. Gulmurod Khalimov. He appears in black ISIS garb with a sniper rifle and a bandolier of ammunition. He says in the video that he participated in programs on U.S. soil three times, at least one of which was in Louisiana. http://www.cnn.com/2...n-us/index.html ******** You hire mercenaries to fight your wars, and they outsource their jobs to sub-mercenaries. This world is an interesting place. I do not doubt this one iota. ISIS is not what we are told. I wonder if this was part of the goal of Cheney's supersecretive energy task force.: http://www.telegraph...l-lifeline.html Opec under siege as Isil threatens world's oil lifeline As the bloc’s 12 oil ministers meet in Vienna, the march of Isil jihadists in the Middle East is putting Iran and Saudi Arabia on a collision course with explosive consequences Seems so convenient for those who control ISIS, which I think are Israel, Saudi Arabia, and factions of ex-USA government officials. Again, to repeat: These terrorist are NOT attacking Israel, but rather the enemies of Israel, including Hamas. USA arms have been found to be sent to ISIS. Beheadings are a very Saudi thing to do (gods what a horrible country! I think), ... if they are even real. Think about all those Toyotas that the USA left in Iraq, now used in ISIS actions, and the GoPro cameras hitting the TV waves like iconic advertizing. ISIS is a tool. Nothing more. I think there is a oil faction in the USA, some comprising ex-USA government officials, who wanted to own a country like BP does (thanks to thatcher for allowing BP to literally BUY a country). Edited May 30, 2015 by regeneratia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regeneratia Posted May 30, 2015 #15 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Same with the 19 allah snackbars on 911 Noce tools, huh? But certainly not orchestrated by this terrorist group. Rather by Israel, several offices within the Pentagon (where was donniedarko when the doodoo hit the fan?) and Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted May 30, 2015 #16 Share Posted May 30, 2015 If what you say is true, why wouldn't they disappear and just wait another 10 years? Or move to a different country and start over considering they now have a huge influx of foreign fighters? Because of the current administration. They have a window of opertunity right now because the currents administrations policies. It will dry up if we elect an agressive republican and they know it. Then they will simply go into a dormant mode and wait again. It's what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted May 30, 2015 #17 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) And whose fault is that? If the State department and the CIA hadn't "encouraged" "popular uprisings" all over the place, and (as in Ukraine) put in place governments (if you can honour the bunch of thugs in Kiev with such a description) that "wanted closer ties with the West", and insist that they have the right to dictate what China does in its own home waters, the "free World" wouldn't have have to "compete" with them to prevent them "spreading their influence". No argument here. Like I said all in or all Out. Either we totally dominate all the time, or we back off and mind our own business. The inbetween is destabilizing the world. It is the weakness of a democracy and a price we pay swinging back and forth. Long term vision is nearly impossible. Edited May 30, 2015 by White Crane Feather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted May 30, 2015 Author #18 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Meh... if he was trained by Freddie Roache I'd maybe consider a tremble. Great, now I have the image of Freddy Mercury training Jihadists while singing Flash Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 30, 2015 #19 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I know that this is what I want to think. but I also think there is other things in the wind and that we have to listen and study because other things are afoot.. and that is not to anyway deminish those who are trying to protect their neighbors from cowards and thieves who hide behind children , that is worthy always. but...... I battle internally with this Alleshir. On one hand, I love my country and want it to return to the honor it once had but OTOH I know without doubt that short of some miraculous intercession the US isn't going to recover. It sickens me that trash such as this could seriously threaten us. It ANGERS me that we could stop them but don't have the will. We cannot prevent every attack and remain free but we could demand retribution on those who harm us AND those who support them. It isn't going to happen for at least another 20 months or so and it may not happen ever again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 30, 2015 #20 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Because of the current administration. They have a window of opertunity right now because the currents administrations policies. It will dry up if we elect an agressive republican and they know it. Then they will simply go into a dormant mode and wait again. It's what I would do. Snake in the grass or snake in the open. Either way you still have a snake problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted May 31, 2015 #21 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Snake in the grass or snake in the open. Either way you still have a snake problem. Yeah I like to keep the ants down though. They always send scouts infest somethjng here or there, but if you let them go it's a mess and nothing is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted May 31, 2015 #22 Share Posted May 31, 2015 That sucks, mainly for the people he was ment to Police and keep people like who he is now at bay. Oh well you win some and you loose some with regards to training forieng Police forces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 31, 2015 #23 Share Posted May 31, 2015 That sucks, mainly for the people he was ment to Police and keep people like who he is now at bay. Oh well you win some and you loose some with regards to training forieng Police forces. Just sows more confusion among those trying to find a solution. The more difficult it becomes to trust, the easier it is for them to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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