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The Strange Tale of "Dr. 58"


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#16    El Generico

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 03:13 AM

Part 3, NOW!
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 03:15 AM

View PostIronGhost, on 13 May 2010 - 03:02 AM, said:

Thank you for your kind words, sleepless.

I assure you, this is all from the Ouija board.  Keep in mind, I have been practicing the Ouija board for 43 years. I think if anyone sticks with anything for 43 years, one might come up with results that seem remarkable.
I have been reading through your blog and old posts for a while now, some of these accounts are really amazing.

But I have noticed something about Dr. 58...

For someone seeking to contact someone in Minnesota, he spent quite a bit of time answering your questions instead of asking his own.

This bothers me for some reason. I wouldn't expect a young mind interested in the mysteries of Minnesota to become an answer dispenser.

Edited by Sleepless Dreams, 13 May 2010 - 03:16 AM.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 03:21 AM

I can't wait to hear what Mommy has to say about this.  Sounds like you've tapped into an alternate dimension/timeline.  :]

PS.  How can the Nazi's not know of Hitler.  Even in an alternate timeline.....bizarre.

Edited by Guyver, 13 May 2010 - 03:28 AM.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 03:31 AM

View PostGuyver, on 13 May 2010 - 03:21 AM, said:

I can't wait to hear what Mommy has to say about this.  Sounds like you've tapped into an alternate dimension/timeline.  :]
Yeah, there was a light novel I read similar to this called "Darker Than Black"

Basically there was a meteor crash, and a 10 mile radius around it was sealed off from the public by the government and the area was known as Hell's Gate. Anyone who entered the area either goes insane, experienced something horrible, saw incredibly delusions, experienced gaps in time space, or died.

Strange things even occur outside of the walled area.

People near the site sometimes instantly gained psychic/telekinetic-esque abilities at the cost of losing their emotions and becoming self focused, leaving their families.

This whole Minnesota is the center for the bizzare reminded me of that.

Edited by Sleepless Dreams, 13 May 2010 - 03:32 AM.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 04:16 AM

The Verdantic mysteries that Dr.58 mentioned was also in your Wizard Dream: http://www.unexplain...n.php?id=173141

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:19 AM

Nice story, but a bit miffed that you're presenting this as non-fiction. It screams fiction in many ways, most being the distinct way it's written. You do know you are misleading some feeble minds that come here, right? Not okay with that.  :angry2:

Also, like Sleepless said, you've already created a story involving some of the things you created here. Classic mistake of using similar things you like to write about, in multiple stories. Not a mistake for a writer, but one for someone who claims their stories are true. Another example of that is your fascination with Minnesota. Authors often write about places they are familiar with and love.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:05 PM

Woops, misinterpreted something.

Edited by Sleepless Dreams, 13 May 2010 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:12 PM

View PostSleepless Dreams, on 13 May 2010 - 02:05 PM, said:

Woops, misinterpreted something.

Yeah, I checked your link and didn't see the connection. There was a reference to a grid, but it was un-named and the verdantic never came up - as far as I can see anyway.  I would be more skeptical about the fact that these "others" had satelite communications but no knowledge of blood/genetics or dna.  Still, I want to hear Mommy's explanation.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:27 PM

View PostJerry Only, on 13 May 2010 - 07:19 AM, said:

Nice story, but a bit miffed that you're presenting this as non-fiction. It screams fiction in many ways, most being the distinct way it's written. You do know you are misleading some feeble minds that come here, right? Not okay with that.  :angry2:

Also, like Sleepless said, you've already created a story involving some of the things you created here. Classic mistake of using similar things you like to write about, in multiple stories. Not a mistake for a writer, but one for someone who claims their stories are true. Another example of that is your fascination with Minnesota. Authors often write about places they are familiar with and love.

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Yes, these are very good points, and I really encourage everyone here to give full weight to what jerry only says here. And who knows, maybe jerry only is totally correct.

I mean, I hope no one is taking any of this information seriously in any way, because I don’t. From Day 1 from my first Ouija session in 1967, I’ve never considered a single word of any of my Ouija transcripts to be anything but wildly entertaining bull**t -- and I think I have said so -- in fact, I know I have said so --  many times on these forums.

I don’t claim this information to have any truth or “reality” in any way.  I only make three claims:

1. That this information comes through the process of using the Ouija board.

2. That I don’t believe I’m making it up as a fiction writer.

(It may be fiction, but if it is, I can’t write it without an Ouija board).

3. That the ideometer effect cannot be the explanation for how this works.

If it makes you feel better, think of is as “meta fiction.”  In the old days, they called this kind of material “spirit writings.”

As for the repetition of the Verdantic Mysteries motif, that could mean two things:

1. The Verdantic Mysteries are real.
2. That it’s an artifact of my subconscious mind.

I like both possibilities.

Edited by IronGhost, 13 May 2010 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 05:02 PM

View PostGuyver, on 13 May 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

Yeah, I checked your link and didn't see the connection. There was a reference to a grid, but it was un-named and the verdantic never came up - as far as I can see anyway.  I would be more skeptical about the fact that these "others" had satelite communications but no knowledge of blood/genetics or dna.  Still, I want to hear Mommy's explanation.

This is pulled directly from his wizard story in my link,

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Question: We are seeking communication with the Third Bental, level 12 of the Verdantic Mystery.

The same oddity mentioned in this very same story.


And to IronGhost,
I am not going to insult you by attacking and you and claiming this is some wild fantasy you concocted. I will look at this in an objective stand point.

I have spent the past few hours enjoying all of your sessions.

I noticed quite a few patterns.

One of which is that all of the entities you have had discussions with no matter how curious they are of you, spend most of their time answering/replying to your questions, and rarely asking questions of their own.

Also, this is one of the first times to my knowledge that something so specific appeared in two separate and different "sessions." It gives the effect of things coming together A great story element, not that I am claiming that this is fiction.

Furthermore, I really enjoyed your political answer of accepting that this could be real or simply a part of your subconscious. It gives people who believe this a strong reliance on you, and alleviates skeptics at the same time. It doesn't matter whether you are a story teller or someone relating what he has experienced, either way you conduct your self in quite an experienced manner.

I am going to remain objective as best I can through out this, because this is highly interesting whether it is fact or fiction.

Edited by Sleepless Dreams, 13 May 2010 - 05:19 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 05:26 PM

High tech Nazi Germany with no Hitler? That's out there even for alternative history standards. But good to see they got rid of north-south divide with some states. :P

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 05:47 PM

This is a strange tale your weaving IronGhost. I don't know what to make of it. How many people are participating in these Ouiji Board sessions?

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:50 PM

I don't know what to think either but I enjoy reading it. It always ends with a cliff hanger it seems. Not knowing if this is real or not I early on thought that this Dr 58 must live in a parallell universe to ours. Just for the fun of it, can't you ask him if there exists a Sweden in his world? Since Minnesota and Germany exists in his world I guess it is possible there exists a parallell country to mine. Btw Hitler was austrian and not german. Bring on some more since it is fun and interesting to read.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 10:35 PM

View PostGuyver, on 13 May 2010 - 03:21 AM, said:

I can't wait to hear what Mommy has to say about this.  Sounds like you've tapped into an alternate dimension/timeline.  :]

PS.  How can the Nazi's not know of Hitler.  Even in an alternate timeline.....bizarre.
The National Socialist party existed (albeit with a different name IIRC) before Hitler joined it. It's possible someone with equal oratory skills but less batsith crazy lead them to power.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 11:03 PM

Hmmm. Quite an interesting story. I enjoy it. That "world" sounds a lot more funner then ours, though. With all the recurring elements I believe that it is indeed your subconscious, but I am not saying it is not real. Either way it is fun.





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