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[Scott G]

Little Fish, on 14 September 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

yes it is, but people like rafterman have to look for reasons to ignore what is being said, rather than look at what is being said. calling people "nut jobs" just shows the weakness of his argument.

http://www.youtube.c...ReallyGoingOnUS



all the above videos of the recent hearings are valuable,
i would recommend chandler's and harrits presentation for those who pretend and those that choose to ignore the evidence.

Thanks Little Fish; it's nice to have someone back you up. I thought that 6 minute video was quite good. It's nice to know that people in my country are doing such things. I think that those who ignore the evidence may just keep on going in that direction, but I'm also hoping there are some who are willing to take a look at what they have to say.

[Scott G]

Corp, on 14 September 2011 - 05:34 PM, said:

Not really. It's an insult but it's not hate speech.

The difference between the two things can get pretty grey sometimes. In any case, it could definitely be billed as libel or slander.

[zenfahr]

Rafterman, on 13 September 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Yes, it is a numbers game.  If an insignificant number of people believe something, what does it matter.

As I said before, I can probably find 1,500 people who believe I can blow poodles out of my ass.

As for those who believe it, I would argue that if they're not in that 1,500, they do agree with the findings.

At least every architect I've spoken with about it have no issues at all with the official version of events.

Im sure you could find a bunch of idiots that would sign anything you put in front of them.... you are missing the point, and degrading to elementary tactics.

Credible educated people whom work in the field and are willing to stake their reputations are a much different situation.

Also just because you have spoken to every architect does not mean any of those people have really considered the possiblity or have done any research into the structure damage.  Or they may seriously not give a rats A about the situation all together.

Tell me if 1500 doctors signed a petition saying that this or that vacination caused cancer, would you not at least consider what they are saying? Or would you with your considerable knowledge of blowing poodles out your bum ignore them in favor of the status quo?

I personally have no stance on this issue, as I dont have any degree in Architecture or Engineering.... But as an educated person, I will say there does seem to be something fishy going on.  As a citizen it is my right, and duty to question my government.  If they have nothing to hide.... well then open up the study and get a second opinion.

Edited by zenfahr, 14 September 2011 - 06:02 PM.

[jugoso]

Ranyhyn, on 13 September 2011 - 08:15 PM, said:

He also thinks there was no holocaust, and that not cheating during elections ruins all the fun of having elections.

Well all that cheating sure has made some of the American elections more fun(ny).

[Saru]

Scott G, on 14 September 2011 - 05:44 PM, said:

The difference between the two things can get pretty grey sometimes. In any case, it could definitely be billed as libel or slander.

While referring to someone as a "nutjob" is inflammatory and unneccessary it isn't hate speech and it isn't libel, if anything i'd categorise it as flaming or namecalling. Either way i think we can agree that the use of the word should be avoided.

As such and as a general note to everyone here - please keep your comments civil and respectful.

Thank you.

[Ozner]

You can get anyone to sign a petition if you try hard enough. Just because you have 1,500 signatures doesn't mean that those people are right, or are even fully aware of what they are agreeing to.

[Little Fish]

Ozner, on 14 September 2011 - 07:46 PM, said:

You can get anyone to sign a petition if you try hard enough. Just because you have 1,500 signatures doesn't mean that those people are right, or are even fully aware of what they are agreeing to.

once again peolpe look for reasons to ignore the evidence rather than look at the evidence. you should check the statements made thoughtfully in their own comfort zone by the petitioners. an online petition is not something you get pressured to sign, an advocacy peer pressure environment like the example you showed is a different story. furthermore they are professionals in the field and have put their reputation on the line coupled with the fact the issue is a more serious nature. penn and teller would not have been able to get any signatures with a proper education in the sciences, that there are idiots out there does not demonstrate the a&e911 petitioners to be idiots.

[Scott G]

Saru, on 14 September 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

While referring to someone as a "nutjob" is inflammatory and unneccessary it isn't hate speech and it isn't libel, if anything i'd categorise it as flaming or namecalling. Either way i think we can agree that the use of the word should be avoided.

As such and as a general note to everyone here - please keep your comments civil and respectful.

Thank you.

In your house, you make the rules, laugh :-). Thanks for the heads up and I'm glad we agree that we should avoid talking about people like that.

[Scott G]

Little Fish, on 14 September 2011 - 08:14 PM, said:

once again peolpe look for reasons to ignore the evidence rather than look at the evidence. you should check the statements made thoughtfully in their own comfort zone by the petitioners. an online petition is not something you get pressured to sign, an advocacy peer pressure environment like the example you showed is a different story. furthermore they are professionals in the field and have put their reputation on the line coupled with the fact the issue is a more serious nature. penn and teller would not have been able to get any signatures with a proper education in the sciences, that there are idiots out there does not demonstrate the a&e911 petitioners to be idiots.

I think the most important thing to realize here is that the Penn and Teller petition and the AE911truth petition are 2 very different creatures. As Little Fish makes clear, there is certainly not the pressure to be signing it, but there's something else as well, and it's actually a very good point. The official 9/11 story has been sold to more people then the alternative stories. And by and large, they're sold in exactly the same way that Penn and Teller sold their petition; by confusing people. I might have signed that petition; Dihydrogen monoxide sounds pretty scary to me. This doesn't mean that I'm an idiot, just that humans in general want to trust people; the woman in the video looks trustable; so I might have said, sure, sounds good. Now if her proposal were to be discussed in a forum where there was atleast one person that knew what Dihydrogen monoxide actually was, I think it's safe to say that the cat would have been out of the bag pretty fast. The events of 9/11 have had 10 years to come out of the bag, and despite atleast one report that support for alternative views is waning, I think the opposite is true; I think that we may be getting to the point where the majority of people are finally beginning to realize that, like Penn and Teller's little petition, people are realizing that they've been had. As Little Fish's 6 minute video demonstrated, people are beginning to realize that we don't need to wait for the government to conduct a new investigation; we can conduct our own. And I think the results are beginning to get people to realize the truth of what happened that day.

[MID]

Little Fish, on 14 September 2011 - 08:14 PM, said:

once again peolpe look for reasons to ignore the evidence rather than look at the evidence. you should check the statements made thoughtfully in their own comfort zone by the petitioners. an online petition is not something you get pressured to sign, an advocacy peer pressure environment like the example you showed is a different story. furthermore they are professionals in the field and have put their reputation on the line coupled with the fact the issue is a more serious nature. penn and teller would not have been able to get any signatures with a proper education in the sciences, that there are idiots out there does not demonstrate the a&e911 petitioners to be idiots.

I think that this entire 9-11 nonsense is simply the result of a generation of Americans who were among those in the post 1950s-1960s era, who were unfortunate victims of the profound decline in education that occurred subsequently.

The unbelievable occurrances of 9-11-01, the spectre of those towers coming down, ignited the lack of rational and critical thinking that are part-and-parcel of the mind of a generation lacking a disciplined scientific and mathematical education.  

You just can't believe what you saw happen(if you even did see it happen)that day.  It was inconceivable to so many people. Thus, I think that sparked the almost immediate CT, which has taken many forms, from controlled demolition, to a false flag operation  or inside job.  They're all idiocies, and all somewhat understandable, ignoring as they do,  a competent professional investigation.

The problem is that so-called professional people of this geeration will defy the majority and join the uneducated in their silliness sometimes.  We all hear about this architech and that engineer who thinks something's fishy.  That's fine, of course, but none of these people have ever been vetted, nor have they provided anything of substance to prove their contentions.   I would love to see some real, corroborated studies done by real professionals that show definitive proof that a CD was involved in anything on 9-11.

"Pilots for 9-11 Truth?"
Cut me (a pilot with engineering background) a break.  What sort of clowns are going to state that the maneuvers of AA77 in the vicinity of the Pentagon were dangerous and too difficult, when they weren't either and aren't the mark of anyone highly skilled?

I'm telling you right now that if those pilots couldn't take a 757 in a 10-20 degree bank at 300 KTS and do a 360 in a descent,never exceeding +/- 0.2 g then I wouldn't be caught alive in one of their airplanes!

Any pilot could do that.

And if they're talking about that final maneuver, pointing the nose down at the side of the building at a -10 pitch  and advancing the throttles so as to speed up to around 500 KTS??   Well, that's simple too.  Insane, and no pilot would really think of doing it...ever.

maybe some professional investigation team can come up with a case to convict Bush of murdering 3,000 of those who he was sworn to protect (You know, a case for treason?)???


Huh?


Nah.   Forget it.
It ain't happening, folks.

You want to believe?
OK, then believe.   But I won't waste my time trying to make you prove yourselves.  because you can't.

Edited by MID, 14 September 2011 - 10:26 PM.

[Little Fish]

MID, on 14 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

I think that this entire 9-11 nonsense is simply the result of a generation of Americans who were among those in the post 1950s-1960s era, who were unfortunate victims of the profound decline in education that occurred subsequently....

once again you are speculating reasons to ignore the evidence.

[Little Fish]

MID, on 14 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

The unbelievable occurrances of 9-11-01, the spectre of those towers coming down, ignited the lack of rational and critical thinking that are part-and-parcel of the mind of a generation lacking a disciplined scientific and mathematical education.  

have you read Niel Harrit's paper?
http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=13049
http://www.benthamsc...V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

iron oxide and elemental aluminium intermixed at the nanoscale that produces molten iron on ignition.
that is exactly thermite.
what was thermite doing at ground zero?

the group of experienced firefighters have never seen what they describe as molten steel, like lava.
what was the lava?

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You just can't believe...

because the story is contradicted by the evidence on so many different levels.

because the official story ignores evidence that doesn;t fit.

because NIST have lied on numerous occasions, and produced a fraudulent report.

are you sure you have it right as to who lacks critical thinking??

[MID]

Lord...

It simply never ends...

Edited by MID, 14 September 2011 - 11:23 PM.

[Scott G]

MID, on 14 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:

"Pilots for 9-11 Truth?"
Cut me (a pilot with engineering background) a break.  What sort of clowns are going to state that the maneuvers of AA77 in the vicinity of the Pentagon were dangerous and too difficult, when they weren't either and aren't the mark of anyone highly skilled?

I'm telling you right now that if those pilots couldn't take a 757 in a 10-20 degree bank at 300 KTS and do a 360 in a descent,never exceeding +/- 0.2 g then I wouldn't be caught alive in one of their airplanes!

I've responded to your post here:
http://www.unexplain...1

[Little Fish]

MID, on 14 September 2011 - 11:23 PM, said:

Lord...

It simply never ends...

so why do you insult those that have looked at the evidence, on a professional level, an intellectual level and a psychological level, yet you are not capable of articulating a sentence in reponse to the evidence. on other occasions I have queried your pronouncements other posters have bailed you out.

do you have an explanation for the lava?
what about the thermite that was found?

it is the official story that lacks credibilty.