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#2371    Abramelin

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:53 AM

View PostApol, on 29 January 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

BITWISKA ÐA FÊRUM ÄND HEINDA KRÊKA.LANDUM FAND JON SVMA Ê.LANDA ÐÊR HIM LIKTE. VPPET GRÂTESTE GVNG.ER INNA ÐA WALDA TWISK ÐÄT BERCHTA EN BURCH BVWA.

My translation:
Between the Far and Near Krekalands Jon found some islands that he liked. Upon the largest he went into the wood between the mountains (to) build a burgh.

The largest of the Ionian Islands is named Cephalonia. No one really knows from what the name is derived, but one suggests that it is from the legendary hero Cephalos, who reigned in Phocis in Central Greece and came to the island as a refugee from Athens. Others claim that because 'Cephalos' is derived from the Greek word for 'head', the name means 'an island with a head' - referring to its form.

At one time, when I studied the geography of the Ionian Islands from my world atlas - where all placenames are written in the individual countiries' own languages, I found that the Greek name of the island is Kefallinía (Κεφαλληνία).

Wasn't it a natural gesture of Jon to name the largest of the islands in his new kingdom after the burgh-femme whom he had saved and recently brought to the Mediterranean? It was also just the seamen who had given Minerva that name (62/10-11). As the basis of the designation gradually sank into oblivion, neha- became keha-, because it was easier to pronounce. The first syllable, neha-  - an h between two vowels - isn't easily pronounceable for anybody. In people's everyday speech the word was simply deemed to be changed into either 'Nefallennia' or 'Kefallennia'; and in the name Cephalos we find almost an attestation that the Greeks would naturally choose the k instead of the n. Moreover, the Greek η (êta) is pronounced 'ê', like in the English 'hey' - which gives us 'Kefallênía'. In the last instance it is simply the same word as Nehalennia.

Also Raubenheimer makes the hint that there might be "a relation between Cephallenia and Nyhellenia" (p. 140). It doesn't exist one single name another place on the globe which resembles that word more than this one - probably not even other placenames that could have had this name as their base linguistically. I think this also suggests that Nyhellênja was pronounced more like Nehalennia by the ancient Frisians.

Indeed, when the Greeks are writing, they utilize more versions of the name, and the most regularly used one is Kefalonia (Κεφαλονιά) and Kefallonia (Κεφαλλονιά). English speakers usually write Cephalonia - but also Kefalonia, Kefallonia, Cephallonia and Kefallinia.

Homer was the first who used the term Cephalites, and he then alluded to Odysseus' people on several Ionian Islands. This indicates that Jon's people may have regarded Nyhellênja as their spiritual leader.

You go from N to K and from H to F  to change Nehalennia into Kefallinia. I think that's a bit farfetched.

And no placenames similar to Nehalennia? I remember I posted names (but not placenames) of several Germanic/Celtic goddesses with almost the same name.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

Many of us have been discussing the placename "Kadik" as mentioned in the OLB.

I am not going to repeat all that again, but I found something I'd like to add.

First from Wiki:

The city was originally founded as Gadir (Phoenician גדר "walled city") by the Phoenicians from Tyre, who used it in their trade with Tartessos, a city-state believed by archaeologists to be somewhere near the mouth of the Guadalquivir River, about thirty kilometres northwest of Cadiz. (Its exact location has never been firmly established.)

Cadiz is the most ancient city still standing in Western Europe. Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BC although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the 9th century BC. One resolution for this discrepancy has been to assume that Gadir was merely a small seasonal trading post in its earliest days.

Later, the Greeks knew the city as Gadira or Gadeira. According to Greek legend, Gadir was founded by Hercules after performing his fabled tenth labour, the slaying of Geryon, a monstrous warrior-titan with three heads and three torsos joined to a single pair of legs. As early as the 3rd century, a tumulus (a large earthen mound) near Cádiz was associated with Geryon's final resting-place.

One of the city's notable features during antiquity was the temple dedicated to the Phoenician god Melqart. (Melqart was associated with Hercules by the Greeks.) According to the Life of Apollonius of Tyana, the temple was still standing during the 1st century. Some historians, based in part on this source, believe that the columns ofthis temple were the origin of the myth of the pillars of Hercules.

Votive statues of Melqert-Hercules from the Islote de Sancti PetriAround 500 BC, the city fell under the sway of Carthage. Cadiz became a base of operations for Hannibal's conquest of southern Iberia. However, in 206 BC, the city fell to Roman forces under Scipio Africanus. The people of Cadiz welcomed the victors. Under the Romans, the city's Greek name was modified to Gades; it flourished as a Roman naval base.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Cadiz#History


Why would the Romans 'modify' the city's name to Gades?


Maybe because of that temple that was holy to its Phoenician, Cathaginian and Hebrew inhabitants?

Kadesh:
From the Semitic root Q-D-Š, meaning Holy. Kadesh means "the holy city" in reference to the followers of Qetesh.

http://en.wikipedia....adesh#Etymology

Qetesh is a goddess adopted into Egyptian mythology from the Canaanite religion, popular during the New Kingdom. She was a fertility goddess of sacred ecstasy and sexual pleasure.

The name was probably vocalized by Egyptians as *Qātiša from the Semitic root Q-D-Š meaning 'holy'. Her city of worship was naturally Qadesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qetesh


I am sure one of the ex-members of this site and a fanatic participant of this thread, now posting on the Stormfront site under the name "HLH" (guess what that stands for.....hint: it starts with Heinrich), will love this explanation.

:P


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Edited by Abramelin, 30 January 2013 - 12:30 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:05 PM

Apparently I am not the first to think of "Kadesh" being one of the names (or maybe title) of Cadiz. Lol, some even use it as 'proof' for Atlantis !


Researches and Missionary Labours Among the Jews, Mohammedans, and Other Sects - Joseph Wolff / 1835 / page 202

http://books.google...."cadiz"&f=false

On page 492 Kadesh-barneah is called "the mother city of Cadiz in Spain". A source is Mariana's "History of Spain".

http://www.ebooksrea...sects-hci.shtml

http://www.britannic...istory-of-Spain

http://books.google....nepage&q&f=true



"Before embarking on war with Rome, Hannibal went to Gades (Kadesh, the Holy City) and sanctified himself for the enterprise (Livy, XXI. 21)".

http://books.google...."cadiz"&f=false

Titus Livius (Livy), The History of Rome, Book 21

When Hannibal had reviewed the contingents sent in by all the nations, he went to Gades and discharged his vows to Hercules, binding himself with fresh ones, in case he should be successful in the remainder of his undertaking.

http://www.perseus.t...xt:1999.02.0152

For Hannibal Gades/Gadir/Cadiz must have been a 'holy city'. It was not anywhere on his route to Rome, it was a detour.




Now the 'Atlantis' bit, just for kicks and giggles:


Plato spoke exclusively of the Gates of Hercules as the site for Atlantis, now the present-day Gibraltar and Tangier. This location for Atlantis was verified by large numbers of Spanish and Portuguese archeologists. Adolfo Valencia estimated that Atlantis extended to 10,000 estadios (1,800 kilometers) from Gibraltar, which would bring it as far as Malta. (Valencia, 18). Since Malta and Cyprus house some of the oldest civilized remains in the Mediterranean, the extension of Atlantis to Malta is possible. (Lewis, 57). In addition, the original city of Kadesh (before the flood)), was believed to be one of the cities of Atlantis, as was Tarshish. "Biblical commentators often explain that the Tarshish referred to here (the Bible), and in other biblical passages, was probably a place called Tartessus, which they associate with a Phoenician colony near Cadiz, in Spain." (Biblical Archaeology Review, Jan/Feb 1990,59). The famous German archaeologist, Adolph Schulten, excavated Tarshish at Huelva, just north of Cadiz. His magnificent work, in Spanish, called Tartessos, is the most significant piece of research in the area of biblical archaeology in our time.

From June 1989, to the present time, Dr. Maxine Asher has researched and documented hundreds of previously undisclosed sources about Atlantis, written in medieval and archaic Spanish, and housed in the private libraries of Cadiz, including museum collections. This privileged information revealed a number of conclusive facts to support the existence of Atlantis in Spain. For example, it is written that the biblical Abraham acquired sacred scriptures, prepared thousands of years before his own time, describing the Hetea Tribe the first settlers of Cadiz. The Heteos were related to the Pelasgians, and their land was known as Heberia (Hebreo or Hebrew). Later, this name changed to Iberia (Quintero, 121,123). This leads the author to believe that the majority of people who inhabited Atlantis were Semitic in origin and that the Rock, referred to in the Book of Psalms, was the rock of Gibraltar. "Which turned the Rock into a standing water, the flint into a fountain of waters." (Psalms,14:8). The first Kadesh (Cadiz) is also cited in Psalms relative to the Flood. "The Lord shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh" (Psalms 29:8).

http://dir.groups.ya...es/message/1479
http://www.boervolk....read.php?t=1152

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Edited by Abramelin, 30 January 2013 - 06:15 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:25 PM

So, now we have a Semitic explanation for the name 'Cadiz', we have Phoenicians trading/mining tin in Cornwall, we have a Dutch seagoddess "Nehalennia" with a possible Semitic/Phoenician etymology ("guardian of ships"), we have a German linguist (Theo Vennemann) who says that Punic (Phoenician) influenced Germanic languages, we have Minoan/Mycenean seals showing up in N/W Germany and a Linear B rock-inscription in Sweden, we have Minoan ship's utensils showing up in the German Bight...

Puzz posted this:

Fosite/Forseti was the God of Heligoland, called Holy Land as well.

"Fosite has been suggested to be a loan of Greek Poseidon into pre-Proto-Germanic, perhaps via Greeks purchasing amber (Pytheas is known to have visited the area of Heligoland in search of amber)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forseti

http://www.unexplain...25#entry3685960


All are hints of people from the Mediterranean visiting the North Sea area 3 or more millennia ago.

Do we have anything similar the other way round?

No.

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Edited by Abramelin, 30 January 2013 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

I tried to post a reply to one of the newest arrivals on the Stormfront site  (yep, I registered as "Abramelin"), to our "Otharus":

http://www.stormfron.../forum/t931830/

But they won't let me.

Maybe my username is too 'Jewish', lol.

If they only knew....



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Edited by Abramelin, 30 January 2013 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

Interesting Abe , ..........did Plato miss-understand The gates of Hercules.........which was actually the Gades of Hercules , or town Hercules came from called Gades ?

From Qetesh un-aspirated they say Q-D-S , is this probably AL - Quds , the Holy city..................  and they say it is probably pronounced Qatish , and from this you can get Q = Queen Atis , backwards Indian Goddess Sita ,or anag Qatish = Queen Ishta


Before the great battle of Kadesh , Ramesses ll invaded Amurru which the Hittites then re-took , ................There are just so many names , and places you can get out of these names , will we ever get to the bottom of it ??

Ramesses ........RMSS.........Ra..Rama....Seus....J-esse......Jesus......anag:semiramis.....Ra-Moses

Amurru........ backwards UR---Rum


By the way we were talking about Brit and Britne being a possible name coming from outcast , then somone mentioned Brutus the trojan was another candidate for the name , but i think from the history , the reason Brutus had to come here was because he had been made an outcast , so  that may not be his name but a description of his position .

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 30 January 2013 - 11:27 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:01 AM

Has anyone here considered how an alleged trickster could know that Tyre was allied with the Egyptians around 1549 BC, when Cecrops conquered Athens?
On page 73 we read:

AS SÊKROPS SACH ÐAT ER MIÐ SINUM LJVDA VSA WAL NAVT BIRUNNA NE KV. ÐÂ SAND HI BODON NÊI ÐYR.HIS.

Are there any records that hint about it prior to the Amarna tablets, which were uncovered in AD 1887 first?
The Amarna Tablets were written 1388-1332 BC, and tablet EA147 tells that Tyre was under Egypt around that time - when the ruler of Tyre, Abi-Milku writes to pharaoh Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten): "I am certainly guarding Tyre, the great city, for the king".

Edited by Apol, 31 January 2013 - 07:11 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:31 AM

View PostKnul, on 24 January 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Kerenak can be found in the area of the Cornavii and Caereni on the northern coast of Scotland. Even the two islands, where Askar hided his ships are shown.

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If the OLB was written by a 19 century trickster, KÊRENÄK was nowhere...
But it is a good suggestion. But which ones are the two islands?

Edited by Apol, 31 January 2013 - 07:47 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:47 AM

View PostApol, on 31 January 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

If the OLB was written by a 19 century trickster, KÊRENÄK was nowhere...
But it is a good suggestion. But which ones are the two islands?

Maybe these two:

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:49 AM

View PostApol, on 31 January 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

Has anyone here considered how an alleged trickster could know that Tyre was allied with the Egyptians around 1549 BC, when Cecrops conquered Athens?
On page 73 we read:

AS SÊKROPS SACH ÐAT ER MIÐ SINUM LJVDA VSA WAL NAVT BIRUNNA NE KV. ÐÂ SAND HI BODON NÊI ÐYR.HIS.

Are there any records that hint about it prior to the Amarna tablets, which were uncovered in AD 1887 first?
The Amarna Tablets were written 1388-1332 BC, and tablet EA147 tells that Tyre was under Egypt around that time - when the ruler of Tyre, Abi-Milku writes to pharaoh Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten): "I am certainly guarding Tyre, the great city, for the king".

I think the sources were Diodorus and Apoli-whatshisname?


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 30 January 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

I tried to post a reply to one of the newest arrivals on the Stormfront site  (yep, I registered as "Abramelin"), to our "Otharus":

http://www.stormfron.../forum/t931830/

But they won't let me.

Maybe my username is too 'Jewish', lol.

If they only knew....


I was wrong. Apparently they screen every post first. Takes some time.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 31 January 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:


Maybe these two:

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They are called the "Outer Hebrides", btw:

http://en.wikipedia..../Outer_Hebrides


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 30 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Why would the Romans 'modify' the city's name to Gades?

There's actually a simple Latin explanation for this.  The Romans took the name Gadir, adapted the base Gadi-, and placed it into their 3rd declension (which is the norm for foreign terms).  The name was usually written as a plural (as the city was built on multiple islands), so the nominative form became Gades.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:55 AM

But "Gadi" is not the base of the name "Gadir".

And "Kadesh" or "Qadesh" simply means 'holy'. And Gadir was a holy place (or its temple) for the Phoenicians/Canaanites.


Q-D-Š (or Q-D-Sh, also transliterated Q-D-S) is a common triconsonantal Semitic root form used in various ancient and modern languages since at least the 3rd millennium BCE. The meanings expressed by this root are "Holy", "Sacred", "Divine Power", "To Set Apart", and "Sanctuary". The root is Q-D-Š in Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, and reconstructed Phoenician, and Q-D-S in Arabic, Maltese, and Ge'ez.

The root qdš was used frequently in West Semitic languages as a verb meaning "consecrate", whereas in Akkadian texts, the verb conjugated from this root meant to "clean, purify." It could also be used as an adjective meaning "holy", and a substantive referring to a "sanctuary, sacred object, sacred personnel." It was used this way in Ugaritic, as for example, in the words qidšu (meaning "holy place" or "chapel") and qad(i)šu (meaning "consecrated gift" or "cultic personnel"). In some Ugaritic texts, qdš is used as a divine epithet. For example, the gods are referred to as "the sons of holiness" or "the holy ones" (bn qdš), and in the 2nd millennium BCE epic poem the "Legend of Keret", the hero is described as "the son of El and the offspring of the Benevolent One and qdš".

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Qudšu was later used in Jewish Aramaic to refer to God, and Qudš is the proto-form of the Hebrew word qadōš, meaning "holy". The triconsonantal root Q-D-Š appears some 830 times in the Hebrew Bible, where it is used to express the notion of holiness, and when attributed to God, is used to refer to his unspeakable nature.Its use in the Hebrew Bible evokes ideas of separation from the profane, and proximity to the Otherness of God, while in nonbiblical Semitic texts, recent interpretations of its meaning link it to ideas of consecration, belonging, and purification.


http://en.wikipedia.....org/wiki/Q-D-Å

The Romans may have adopted this alternative Semitic denomination for Gadira/Cadiz that was in use in that city and for that city.


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Edited by Abramelin, 31 January 2013 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

I don't know any Phoenician/Punic, so I can't say what the base of Gadir is, but what really matters is what the Romans thought it was, and they aren't necessarily going to adapt things on the basis of the etymological roots of a foreign tongue.

Meanwhile the Kadesh explanation has the difficulty of the initial consonant being voiceless, whereas Gadir and Gades both have it voiced.  This is a common sound change for languages evolving over time, but for a direct borrow there is no reason for the change to be made considering that Latin had both sounds.





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