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Jewish state existed before 1948?


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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 07:52 PM

Jewish Autonomous Oblast aka „Yevreyskaya avtonomnaya oblast" or „Soviet Zion“ is autonomous oblast in Russia near Amur river bordering with China, with capital Birobidzhan. Its swamp and fertile territory. Rich with wood and mineral. Waterways on Amur and Tunguska rivers. Offical language is Yiddish. They have their offical news papers. Schools, theatars, cinema.  It was Jewish socalist utopia. It become „region“ in 1928 and with help of Jewish diaspora or gulat (on Hebrew) mostly from USA in 1934 became autonomous oblast. Russia under Stalin was atheist state but promised all ethnic groups in Soviet union cultural autonomy Jews included, where they can practiced Judaism. Since Jews didnt have state they were not considered nation and didnt have rights. So Jews wanted first to create  Jewish land in Soviet union in Crimea or Ukraine. Its realy miracle since Zionism contradicts with Marxism. Beside capital Birobidzhan there are other places such as Valdgeym, Smidovich and Amurzet. Now its free economic zone and it have airport, 530 km of railways and 2000 km of roads with highways. Anyway interesting part is that propaganda for this autonomy was so big that Jews and Soviet made movie „Iskateli schastya“ or on English „Seekers of happiness“. Its story about Jew family who came into Jewish Autonomous Oblast utopia from Great depression in USA.

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 02 September 2013 - 07:54 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 07:55 PM

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 02 September 2013 - 07:58 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:01 PM

This smells like bull to me.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:03 PM

View Postdavid icke is right, on 02 September 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

This smells like bull to me.

You dont believe? Well Im in phase trying to figure out how this come to be.
Google helps.

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 02 September 2013 - 08:05 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:06 PM

well, there's a wikipedia page:


http://en.wikipedia....tonomous_Oblast

a number of the details seem to contradict what big bad voodoo is saying, though, unless i'm misunderstanding. for instance, it hardly seems to be a "jewish socialist utopia", and jews were never even the majority there.

i'm also not sure why this is a "conspiracy" thing.

Edited by patagonianhorsesnake, 02 September 2013 - 08:07 PM.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:09 PM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 02 September 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

well, there's a wikipedia page:


http://en.wikipedia....tonomous_Oblast

a number of the details seem to contradict what big bad voodoo is saying, though, unless i'm misunderstanding. for instance, it hardly seems to be a "jewish socialist utopia", and jews were never even the majority there.

All I said can be vertified by same wiki page. I read it all. Can you be more specific what contradicts from my post and wiki?
I doubt you can.

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edit: You are all in denial phase. Okay, I will wait.

Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 02 September 2013 - 08:16 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 02 September 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

i'm also not sure why this is a "conspiracy" thing.

Well, how isnt? Why this isnt common knowledge in the first place? Im mean we know all about Jews. From their "banishment" from spain Spain to Babylon,Germany, Ottomans...
Second, isnt wrong to ask for state when you already have one?
Third, how come that USA, Jews, Soviets work together to make this autonomy. Also on some sources on internet Japan is mentioned.
To me this is realy mysterious and it smells like hidden sanctuary. Even now is free economic zone.

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 02 September 2013 - 08:19 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:56 PM

If everything you've said can be verified by looking it up in Wikipedia then what is the conspiracy ? What do you believe people are in denial about ? Just because something isn't common knowledge doesn't mean that someone is trying to cover it up.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:17 PM

View Postdavid icke is right, on 02 September 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

This smells like bull to me.
It's more believable then the stuff you come up with!


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:23 PM

Hi Saru!

Thanks on question.
Some members stated that this smell like bull. Those people are in denial phase.
Well I like history and read a lot about it. I read everything about Jews aswell on everything I stumble upon. Books, documentaries.
For example in one magazine in my country all issue was Jews history. Where Rabbi talked about it. Yet I never stumble upon this autonomy. Now why every book and article is quite about it? Perhaps they think is irrelevant? Then how come that is relevant that in 1546 Jews have getho in Republic of Ragusa. That they were only non Catholics near Orlando pillar in it. That info you can find. Is getho more important then autonomy?
How come that we never heard of this preview-Israel state?
Did they want that Jews live near China? And most important who is they? Im mean its miracle that they got chance to built autonomy in Marxist state. Zionims contradicts with Marxism. Why Soviets allow it? And why USA helped? Also what about claims that Japan wanted Jewish state there? What Japan have to do with Jews?

On another hand we can discuss, as one member said that isnt utopia at all, is this autonomy evidence (which we dont see often) that Stalin wanted to expell Jews from Moscow and similar? We know that cca 1881 in Russia under Alexander III Jews leave Russia,so is this Stalin "holocaust"?
But if you find that there is no conspiracy in it you can transfer this to alternative history or in history sub forum.

I saw it as conspiracy because we never learnt about this. In any book, documentary, magazine I stumble upon there is no word about it. Yet it exist. And history about it its murky.
Perhaps Im just not informed. But then I wish that someone explain me why Jews from Poland, Ukraine, Russia was moved to far east. Even from America. Plus questions above,

Its one of those info about WW2 and around that time that we dont see often. Like why allies on D day bring griger counter with them? Did Hitler have had atomic bomb?
What mustard gas was doing on allies ships in Bari?

Like we have deleted history? Isnt that conspiracy? If you as Admin dont see it, then I will understand when you move this thread. Nothing wrong being wrong when you admit you are wrong. And I will admit if someone proove me otherwise.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:50 PM

Saru to extend my answer into one tiny direction.
1.If Soviet wanted to deal with Jews and USA helped them then where that puts Russia and USA from middle age Spain? Or England under Edward I in 1290? Or even Nazi Germany? When you remember that USA companies disturbed motors, computers and oil to Nazi many things we can conclude.
And idea that Hitler have had A-bomb and didnt use it, and mustard gas in allies ships...

2,If Soviet wanted to create Jew state with help of USA then was today Israel state plan B?

I think that point one can lead us directly to conspiracy forum. While point two indirectly lead us,again, to conspiracy forum.
In short : It isnt about what was said in wiki but what was left out. Wider picture.


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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 02 September 2013 - 10:08 PM.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

I suppose having a "Jewish Homeland" as part of your empire could have some benefits (ie spying - loads of Jews around the world having more loyalty to "the homeland" rather then where they live, slipping the odd little snippet of information here, the odd little snippet of information there back to the Homeland and thus Russia).


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:03 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 02 September 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

It's more believable then the stuff you come up with!

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I know this is bull because of the freemason Albert pike's letter.

http://www.threeworl...lbert-pike2.htm

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Some say this is not real but look how accurate it is.    This is why I say this is bull.   The zionist's plan was to get the world into a war to get the jews to israel.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:29 AM

Yes, a Jewish state existed before 1948. It was called Judea but was destroyed by the Romans.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:32 AM

View Postdavid icke is right, on 03 September 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

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I know this is bull because of the freemason Albert pike's letter.

http://www.threeworl...lbert-pike2.htm

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Some say this is not real but look how accurate it is. This is why I say this is bull.   The zionist's plan was to get the world into a war to get the jews to israel.

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I think, on balance, it's fairly unlikely that Albert Pike would mention a "third world war", since he died in 1891, before the first two had even been thought of. Similarly with the "State of Israel", which didn't exist until 1948.





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