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Did an earthquake create the Turin Shroud ?


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 09:21 PM

I am still happy with the 'medieval fake' theory.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 09:33 PM

View PostPerceptivum, on 12 February 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

"Ancient Judeans did not have long Hair.

I would like to understand your definition of "long hair" and Paul's (the author if 1st Corinthians) definition of "long hair" and compare the two.  I would suspect those opinions would differ.

The image in the Shroud looks like it has long hair to me, but tradition is what matters.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:25 PM

View PostSundew, on 12 February 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

I've seen many shows on the shroud and one of the most interesting things was that the image appears to be holographic in nature, that is, it is a three dimensional image, not a 2D image one gets when painting or staining. If I remember correctly they had to use computer technology to bring out the 3D quality of the image. If this is correct, then how and why would someone make, or even know how to make this type of image centuries ago. As to carbon dating of the shroud, the object itself has been through a fire, which I would guess would alter the carbon content from the smoke and it has had some cloth added to patch holes and as a boarder, and I believe the sample was taken from the boarder which was added at a later time. A better analysis would require taking material from near the image, not on added material. One investigator on the show said he believed the image was burned into the cloth by light, light of a similar quality to a LASER. In any case it's an interesting piece of history.
Easy.  Get some poor unfortunate, treat him abominably, lay a shroud over the body to take a mark on the cloth, sell the cloth to whoever offers the best price.  There's no real mystery here - they used a real body.  One that was still alive, judging from the clotted blood.
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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:05 AM

It is interesting that Pope Francis referred to the shroud as an “icon of a man scourged and crucified.” Further “This disfigured face resembles all those faces of men and women marred by a life which does not respect their dignity, by war and violence which afflict the weakest.” Brilliant! So what remains? Perhaps, those who make their reputation by proving or disproving the authenticity of the shroud. Those who are perhaps weak of faith and need proof positive. And, those who need assurance that their beliefs are indeed correct and thus need proof negative. We all garner support and disparate evidence to validate our beliefs. We are no different.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:37 AM

Say what?


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 02:55 AM

Fred & Barney were involved with the Shroud investigation ! It was later found out that the image was nothing more than Mega Rib B.B.Q sauce that played tricks with the results ! :tu:

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:27 AM

View PostDoug1o29, on 12 February 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Easy.  Get some poor unfortunate, treat him abominably, lay a shroud over the body to take a mark on the cloth, sell the cloth to whoever offers the best price.  There's no real mystery here - they used a real body.  One that was still alive, judging from the clotted blood.
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I agree. If you assume the Shroud is a fake, this is how it was made. There are documentrys on how it could have been done this way.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:33 AM

View PostMac E, on 12 February 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

Um, no.  It's grasping at straws.  I agree a second analysis should be performed to try and confirm the original results however.
I agree that this seems far fetched to me also. I also agree that another C14 test should be done.

From one documentary that showed how the piece used for the C14 sample that got 1300 AD was from a repaired section. They even got the pieces left over from 1978 and took a small piece apart to show that the fibers were of different ages. It seemed very logical and would seem to indicate that the C14 date was contaminated by more modern material.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:34 AM

View PostDoug1o29, on 12 February 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

I'd want to know what research backs that up.  Did they actually try to replicate the result using neutron irradiation?  Use a modern piece of cloth, irradiate it, then see if there's an image and see what date the C14 test shows.  It shouldn't be hard to come up with some tests that replicate the hypothetical process.
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I'd like to see that testing done also. I think it won't happen because I believe the tests, regardless of how many were done, would fail.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:39 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 12 February 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

1 Corinthians 11:14-16

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a dishonor to
him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a
covering.
16 But if any man seemeth to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of
God.

http://www.biblegate...-16&version=ASV


Ancient Judeans did not have long Hair.
You know that the Corinthians were actually Greeks, right? And that the book 1st Corinthians was probably written like 30 years after Jesus died, right. You can't take a religous document written for Greeks and apply it backward to prove 1st century BC Judeans did not have long hair. The Christians were considered a Cult by the Romans and the Jews at this point, so it seems to me unless you can find something in Deuderanomy, or one of the other books about short hair, that Jesus could easily have had long hair.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:41 AM

View PostSundew, on 12 February 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

I've seen many shows on the shroud and one of the most interesting things was that the image appears to be holographic in nature, that is, it is a three dimensional image, not a 2D image one gets when painting or staining. If I remember correctly they had to use computer technology to bring out the 3D quality of the image. If this is correct, then how and why would someone make, or even know how to make this type of image centuries ago. As to carbon dating of the shroud, the object itself has been through a fire, which I would guess would alter the carbon content from the smoke and it has had some cloth added to patch holes and as a boarder, and I believe the sample was taken from the boarder which was added at a later time. A better analysis would require taking material from near the image, not on added material. One investigator on the show said he believed the image was burned into the cloth by light, light of a similar quality to a LASER. In any case it's an interesting piece of history.
Those are a lot of good points. It has also been water stained which, if I remember right, can also affect the C14 test a little.

From what I remember the Catholic Church has refused any more C14 samples from the Shroud at this time.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:42 AM

I'm not a big fan of the "Shroud" though I am a Christian.

I think that "science" has gone a little too far here, given that this type of event does not appear to be existant in other findings at that time, according to the article.

Edited by pallidin, 13 February 2014 - 05:44 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 11:10 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 13 February 2014 - 05:33 AM, said:

I agree that this seems far fetched to me also. I also agree that another C14 test should be done.

From one documentary that showed how the piece used for the C14 sample that got 1300 AD was from a repaired section. They even got the pieces left over from 1978 and took a small piece apart to show that the fibers were of different ages. It seemed very logical and would seem to indicate that the C14 date was contaminated by more modern material.
A convenient excuse that doesn't hold up under investigation.

http://www.shroud.co...fs/n65part5.pdf

https://journals.uai...ticle/view/3419


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 11:25 AM

Wash+tumble it!

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 11:44 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 13 February 2014 - 05:39 AM, said:

You know that the Corinthians were actually Greeks, right? And that the book 1st Corinthians was probably written like 30 years after Jesus died, right. You can't take a religous document written for Greeks and apply it backward to prove 1st century BC Judeans did not have long hair. The Christians were considered a Cult by the Romans and the Jews at this point, so it seems to me unless you can find something in Deuderanomy, or one of the other books about short hair, that Jesus could easily have had long hair.



Jews were all over, because they were merchant traders.Philo lived in Alexandria, and he made the pilgrimage to Judea for Passover at least once.There were Jews in Rome too.

"Under the Romans, Corinth was rebuilt as a major city in Southern Greece or Achaia. It had a large mixed population of Romans, Greeks, and Jews."

http://en.wikipedia....Ancient_Corinth

Leviticus 19

27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.


What is "at the sides of your head" mean, and did Jesus clip off edges of his beard in defiance of his father?

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