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[Altheia]

Humans almost identical to Neanderthals
By FIONA MACRAE

We may like to think we're far superior to the Neanderthals species that us humans beat in the evolutionary battle. But analysis of DNA from a 38,000-year-old bone has revealed Neanderthal and human DNA is actually up to 99.9 per cent identical. In contrast, humans and chimps only share 95 per cent of their genetic material. The discovery came as scientists work on decoding the entire Neanderthal genome from a perfectly-preserved artefect.

Found in a cave in Croatia, the bone could hold the key to many of the secrets of evolution. Dr Edward Rubin, one of the US and German researchers who have started to sequence the ancient DNA, said: 'We are at the dawn of Neanderthal genomics. 'This data will function as a DNA time machine and tell us aspects of biology we could never get from bones or associated artefacts.

Fossil remains have already shown that Neanderthals looked different from us, with heavy brows, low foreheads, and receding chins. They were also much more robustly built than modern humans. A full blueprint of Neanderthal DNA - due to be produced in two years' time - could provide information on eye colour and hair colour, intelligence and language. The partial sequencing completed so far has confirmed the theory that humans and Neanderthals split from their common ancestor between 400,000 and 500,000 years ago, studies published in the journals Nature and Science report. The two then co-existed for many thousands of years before Neanderthals became extinct around 30,000 years ago, perhaps beaten by their more innovative cousins in the race for food, clothing and shelter, It is thought they were unable to compete with the more innovative and adaptable Homo sapiens for food, clothing and shelter. While the studies did not find any evidence that the two populations interbred, the researchers were unable to completely rule out the idea.

Dr Svante Paabo (CORR), of the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany, said: 'While unable to definitively conclude that interbreeding between the two species of humans did not occur, analysis of the nuclear DNA from the Neanderthal suggests the low likelihood of it having occurred at any appreciable level.' Co-researcher Professor Jonathan Pritchard, of the University of Chicago, said further analysis could provide more evidence of what makes us human. 'Humans went through several key stages of evolution during the last 400,000 years,' he said. 'If we can compare humans and Neanderthal genomes, then we can possibly identify what the key genetic changes were during that final stage of human evolution.'

Professor Chris Stringer, head of human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, said: 'Research can now extend to complete the whole genome of a Neanderthal and to examine Neanderthal variation through time and space to compare with ours. 'Having such rich data holds the promise of looking for the equivalent genes in Neanderthals that code for specific features in modern humans, for example eye colour, skin and hair type, cognitive and language skills.' He added: 'Having a Neanderthal genome will also throw light on our own evolution, by allowing a three-way comparison of the genetic blueprints that produced Neanderthals, and that today produce us and our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees. 'We should then be able to pin down unique changes in each genome to show how we came to be different from each other.'

* In just 50 years' time, we'll live healthily to 100, thanks to full body transplants and a vegetarian diet, leading scientists predict.

Asked to forecast the biggest scientific breakthroughs of the next 50 years, they said the development of anti-aging drugs will allow us to live to a sprightly 100. Professor Richard Miller, of the University of Michigan, said: 'It is now routine in laboratory mammals to extend lifespan by about 40 per cent. 'Turning on the same protective system in humans should, by 2056, create the first class of centenarians who are as vigorous and productive as today's run-of-the-mill sexagenarians.' Advances in storing both eggs and ovarian tissue will allow women to give birth into old age, while technology that allows us to read the minds of animals will lead to mass vegetarianism.

New Scientist magazine's 50th birthday issue also predicts whole body transplants will be routine within just 50 years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...d=1770&ct=5

[C.J.Fishburn]

One cow says to another....you heard about that mad cows disease the other cow says it doesn't bother me I am a helicopter.

Very interesting thread thank you.

[Bill Hill]

Can we stereotype Neanderthals and call them cannibals? I mean if it's part of their culture who are we to judge?

I just kidding, this is very interesting. Makes you wonder, doesn't it; an uncomfortable look back at our history.

Edited by billyhill, 21 December 2006 - 02:04 PM.

[Poetic Reven]

Many humans are cannibals too.

This is rote.

[Mart]

*bites of pieces of nail and swallows*

Hmm.. Arbiter's next!

Edited by Mart, 26 December 2006 - 08:22 AM.

[newbloodmoon]

this study doesn't really surprise me.

"The work at the Moula-Guercy cave allows us for the first time to demonstrate the existence of the practice of cannibalism by European Neanderthals," said research leader Alban Defleur from the Université de la Méditerranée at Marseilles.

It is unclear as to why exactly the Neanderthals were eaten. Defleur believes it's unlikely they were eaten for survival as there was an abundance of natural food sources at the site. However, the researchers have also found no evidence that the bones were cut and broken as in a mortuary ritual either. In fact, the Neanderthal bones were found scattered in amongst deer bones which also displayed similar cut marks and breaks."  (taken from here.  http://www.abc.net.a...ries/s56397.htm)  

Though this is just one article, it shows that they ate each other not just out of survival neccessity.  Just thought I would throw my 2 cents worth in.

[Leonardo]

Perhaps the practice could have been a seasonal thing. The neanderthals may have found it next to impossible to follow migrating prey given the extremely harsh conditions in which they (presumably) lived. The hunting of other neanderthal 'tribes' may have been a regular winter occurrence?

[Isis2200]

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this study doesn't really surprise me.

"The work at the Moula-Guercy cave allows us for the first time to demonstrate the existence of the practice of cannibalism by European Neanderthals," said research leader Alban Defleur from the Université de la Méditerranée at Marseilles.

It is unclear as to why exactly the Neanderthals were eaten. Defleur believes it's unlikely they were eaten for survival as there was an abundance of natural food sources at the site. However, the researchers have also found no evidence that the bones were cut and broken as in a mortuary ritual either. In fact, the Neanderthal bones were found scattered in amongst deer bones which also displayed similar cut marks and breaks."  (taken from here.  http://www.abc.net.a...ries/s56397.htm)  

Though this is just one article, it shows that they ate each other not just out of survival neccessity.  Just thought I would throw my 2 cents worth in.

Hi Newbloodmoon:

That's very interesting information, and no, the study doesn't surprise me either.  I have a belief based on textual evidence, but I'm reluctant to post it here.  If you are very openminded, I would, however, be willing to share this with you in a PM.   It concerns a belief as to why Neanderthal bones may have been found which suggested Neanderthal cannibalism.

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~ Isis

[Celumnaz]

I keep wanting to call them Gibborim

[Irish]

Did you hear the one about the Neanderthal terrorist?

Drum role please!!!!!!

He was arrested for smuggling arms into the village.

Irish

Edited by Irish, 11 January 2007 - 03:50 PM.

[Isis2200]

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Can we stereotype Neanderthals and call them cannibals? I mean if it's part of their culture who are we to judge?

I just kidding, this is very interesting. Makes you wonder, doesn't it; an uncomfortable look back at our history.

Yeah, Billy.  That's like saying "All cavemen are dumb."  In that Geiko TV commercial where the guy says "It's so easy, a caveman could do it."  Gee, I felt so bad that caveman had his feelings hurt.       

We just can't stereotype all cavemen like that.    

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~ Isis

[when.i.am.queen.]

Truth be told, I do not really mind that they are cannibals.
Sure, they are our ancestors, but as far as I am aware, in some remote places cannibalism is still practiced today.
Wouldn't these people be closer to us then Neanderthals are?

[Kalien]

No point in wasting the meat, aye?