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#1    Ohelemapit

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:58 PM

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The speed limit in towns should be cut to 20mph and more dangerous drivers jailed in an effort to persuade millions more people to take up cycling, MPs of all parties say in a report today.

They are also calling for a ban on heavy lorries using city centre streets at the busiest times, along with more bike parking at stations and the construction of cycling lanes with their own traffic lights.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

The roads need to be expanded for the growing rate of car traffic, like in the US, 12 lanes or so. Also make bus fares cheaper


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:45 PM

Hindsight is sometimes 20x20...
Roads/highways should have been engineered for seperate (and by that I mean seperated) lanes for heavy vehicles (semi's etc) and smaller vehicles (passenger cars, etc) they should have also engineered seperate bike paths...

While banning heavy vehicles like semi's from city centers sounds good in theory, it will most probably cause an increase in traffic density as it takes several smaller delivery vehicles to carry one semi's load... However it will serve to improve lin eof sight visibiltiy for smaller vehicles...

So they also want to reduce the speed limit to 20mph in urban areas?... Oklahoma City is about 900 square miles in area (not counting the suburb cities) - it is 30 miles across... and it's a 'small major city'... How is slowing cars and trucks going to make even slower bicycles seem like a good idea?

Did they define what constitutes 'dangerous drivers'?...


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

No! No to 20mph! It's a ridiculous speed to drive at. Fair enough outside schools, but we were one of the first (if not the first) to get 20mph limits in all residential areas, thanks to our lovely county council.

I actually think it's worse for 'safety'. Yeah, if you get hit at 20 injuries are much less severe, as a pedestrian and as a passenger, which is why I understand it outside schools, but as a driver, I've seen confusion when we're forced to stick to 20 on fairly main roads through towns. E.g, driver waiting to pull out, and the car they're waiting for to go past is going so slowly they aren't sure whether they're being let out or not. Cue emergency stop moments (and no, I wasn't the driver pulling out!)
Plus outside the high school, where the kids love playing chicken, or just walking out in front of cars, they think they have so much time to get across the road because the car is coming so slowly that they actually end up having nearer misses than when the cars were doing 30mph.

The other ideas don't seem too bad, like.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:15 PM

Jailing people for small offenses only crowds your jail system. It would make more sense to require a year of community service where they work with individuals affected by dangerous driving, perhaps a hospital setting.

Banning heavy vehicles in city centres makes sense as we have done that here in the French Quarter, though that doesn't stop morons from ignoring the signs and trying to drive down the streets anyway as I can easily attest to after this last weekend.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

I think this is only in Britain.  It could never work over the scale of distances in US cities of any size.  They were all built for cars.  But the idea of bicycling(voluntary) would be great for saving fuel and improving public health.  Though I'd be the last to volunteer in south Alabama in Summer!  :(  What is needed here is a scooter that could also be pedaled on demand.  AND that wasn't horribly expensive.  If the government got behind such an effort in large cities it would help a lot of people in many ways.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:46 PM

who in their right mind wants to swap the car for the bike. okay in the summer weather in light traffic. but what when the weather turns bad like the winter months? and during rush hour. the motor car has changed society in so many ways - its given people the ability to work miles from where they live. these people are not going to hop on a bike to work. personally i have no interest in biking it.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:55 PM

What is more important than reducing the speed limit is ensuring current drivers are capable. Driving in this country is infuriating (sometimes dangerous) because of ignorant drivers, they will still drive as they due regardless of a 20mph speed limit or not. We currently hand out 3 points and a fine for people using their phones while driving, from what I see it has not made a blind bit of difference. Points fines I feel are more of a deterrent than cash fines that only hurt the 'less well off' while the risk of a ban is more universal.

Comparisons to America are irrelevant, stateside you have more room for '12 lane Highways' than we have, bigger cars in general, cheaper fuel and greater distances to travel.

As for 'biking it', it is a great option if you live close enough to your place of work and should be encouraged as should use of public transport. The best way to encourage this is improvements in safety, comfort and service.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 24 April 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

who in their right mind wants to swap the car for the bike. okay in the summer weather in light traffic. but what when the weather turns bad like the winter months? and during rush hour. the motor car has changed society in so many ways - its given people the ability to work miles from where they live. these people are not going to hop on a bike to work. personally i have no interest in biking it.
It is interesting go in the bike in winter, its that people are lazy and thats the problem, British people are lazy, thats culture.

Now another solution would be putting bike racks on buses in the front,I saw those in Salt Lake city. So you can travel further than using a bus or bike alone.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:07 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 24 April 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

British people are lazy, thats culture.

Speak for the 'British people' you know... ;)

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:23 PM

If we're encouraging bikes, we need to encourage people to use their bloody bikes properly too!

I'm sick of cyclists giving me dirty looks because, on the pavement, I'M in the way of THEM, apparently. I don't want to see more people cycling if they're going to cycle on the pavement and ping their little bells at people who are walking on the pavement. Bikes are for the road, or cycle paths. Don't like it, walk.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:42 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 24 April 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

It is interesting go in the bike in winter, its that people are lazy and thats the problem, British people are lazy, thats culture.

Now another solution would be putting bike racks on buses in the front,I saw those in Salt Lake city. So you can travel further than using a bus or bike alone.

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is it people being lazy or just tired from working? myself im lazy i couldnt face biking to and from work. i just like jumping in the car, and getting home in style and comfort regardless of weather conditions. in a previous job which was closer to home i did bike to and from work in all weathers every single day and never moaned once, but use to cut through a large country park. so a bit different to using the roads. - the bus idea is great but would it work here? you'd have to lock the thing or it would be nicked.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:01 PM

And what I wonder, would the government tax to make up the revenue lost on petrol & road tax if we all started riding bicycles? Oxygen perhaps.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:09 AM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 24 April 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

And what I wonder, would the government tax to make up the revenue lost on petrol & road tax if we all started riding bicycles? Oxygen perhaps.
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