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#16    drakonwick

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:39 AM

Is it me or is this topic getting further and further away from global warming with...

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Quote greggk - The .1% is the surface and there are no elements in the sun. There are ions of hydrogen and ions of helium. Ions are unstable atoms. The atom of hydrogen has 1 electron and the atom of helium has 2. The sun is the sun through the process of fusion of the the ions of hydrgen an helium. When these two atoms fuse, what is given off is 'ta-da' heat and . . . a neutrino (a neutral electron). These neutrinos create the solar winds and you see these neutrinos when you look at the Northern Lights
Does this really have any point to global warming?

I remember the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." - J. Robert Oppenheimer.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:48 AM

First and foremost, a quick primer on the QUOTE function:

By typing [**QUOTE] (ignore the asterisks; they are only there to keep it from activating for demostration purposes), and [**/QUOTE], anything in between the two QUOTES will appear in a quote box.  This will make your posts much easier to understand.  You can also use the quote button above your text box (it's the button with a little speech bubble on it, 2nd from the right).

So, where were we?

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Is it Hydrogen and Helium ions? No, it is a little farther down the periodic table. It is Sodium and Potassium ions. We are like first cousins of the sun.

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What does that have to do with ANYTHING that we are talking about?  

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That is how you create the heat in your body!  Since we are talking about Global Warming


No, it isn't.  The only purpose of the K and Na ion transfer in your nerves is to create a charge that eventually results in the synapse discharging and sending a signal down the nerve.  The heat in your body is created in two ways:  the first is through the chemical breakdown of simple sugars in your bloodstream (metabolism), and the second is through physical friction within the muscles (shivering).  Neither of these will have any appreciable effect on a global scale.

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The inside of the sun is Hydrogen and Helium ions.

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I thought you said inside the sun was a huge ball of burning iron? In all cases, yes, inside the sun, there is hydrogen and helium. There is no molten anything in the sun or on the surface. The entire thing is gaseous. No iron crust. The content of the sun that isn't hydrogen or helium is a little more than .10% of a variety of different elements.

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The .1% is the surface and there are no elements in the sun.  There are ions of hydrogen and ions of helium.  Ions are unstable atoms.  The atom of hydrogen has 1 electron and the atom of helium has 2.  The sun is the sun through the process of fusion of the the ions of hydrgen an helium.  When these two atoms fuse, what is given off is 'ta-da' heat and . . . a neutrino (a neutral electron).  These neutrinos create the solar winds and you see these neutrinos when you look at the Northern Lights


So where does the huge ball of molten iron come in?  Incidentally, an ion is still an element.  Hydrogen atoms and hydrogen ions are identical with the exception that the ion has the electrical charge.  And the .1 percent of various elements is mostly in the center, being that they are the result of the fusion process occuring at the core.

There...isn't a whole lot of cohesiveness in your claims.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:50 AM

Is it me or is this topic getting further and further away from global warming with...

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Quote greggk - The .1% is the surface and there are no elements in the sun. There are ions of hydrogen and ions of helium. Ions are unstable atoms. The atom of hydrogen has 1 electron and the atom of helium has 2. The sun is the sun through the process of fusion of the the ions of hydrgen an helium. When these two atoms fuse, what is given off is 'ta-da' heat and . . . a neutrino (a neutral electron). These neutrinos create the solar winds and you see these neutrinos when you look at the Northern Lights

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:56 AM

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Is it me or is this topic getting further and further away from global warming with...

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Quote greggk - The .1% is the surface and there are no elements in the sun. There are ions of hydrogen and ions of helium. Ions are unstable atoms. The atom of hydrogen has 1 electron and the atom of helium has 2. The sun is the sun through the process of fusion of the the ions of hydrgen an helium. When these two atoms fuse, what is given off is 'ta-da' heat and . . . a neutrino (a neutral electron). These neutrinos create the solar winds and you see these neutrinos when you look at the Northern Lights

Does this really have any point to global warming?
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Well greggk i personaly feel we are not having much of an effect on global warming, to me it is just a natural cycle that our planet is going through.
As i said though this is just my opinion!

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:57 AM

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If burning oil creates a whole concoction of gases, what would happen when those gases were frozen again?   I don't know but if the gases are gas because of the speed of the electron around the nucleus, slowing down the speed of the revolution will cause the atom to bind with cousins andd uncles and sisters and brothers and you'll get oil again and I've never seen frozen oil.
I'm on the side of the 4th graders.
I do not know how to post pictures here, but you find a picture of a nebula, look at it and tell me what you see and I will add, you do not see nothing and the Milky Way is not a nebula!

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Is it Hydrogen and Helium ions? No, it is a little farther down the periodic table. It is Sodium and Potassium ions. We are like first cousins of the sun.

And this is aquatis1:
What does that have to do with ANYTHING that we are talking about?  

me:
That is how you create the heat in your body!  Since we are talking about Global Warming

QUOTE me:
The inside of the sun is Hydrogen and Helium ions.

Aquatis1:
I thought you said inside the sun was a huge ball of burning iron? In all cases, yes, inside the sun, there is hydrogen and helium. There is no molten anything in the sun or on the surface. The entire thing is gaseous. No iron crust. The content of the sun that isn't hydrogen or helium is a little more than .10% of a variety of different elements.

me:
The .1% is the surface and there are no elements in the sun.  There are ions of hydrogen and ions of helium.  Ions are unstable atoms.  The atom of hydrogen has 1 electron and the atom of helium has 2.  The sun is the sun through the process of fusion of the the ions of hydrgen an helium.  When these two atoms fuse, what is given off is 'ta-da' heat and . . . a neutrino (a neutral electron).  These neutrinos create the solar winds and you see these neutrinos when you look at the Northern Lights

I will add this:
The border between the sun and space is . . . I don't know the answer to that one but I wil find out.  That is your .1%; that might not be iron, but it is a metal and why we have sunspots.


You have not even the smallest inkling of what you are even talking about. Have you ever burned a piece of wood before? And if you have I would love for you to show us a demonstration of how the ash and smoke can be put back together to form another piece of wood.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:09 AM

I've always wondered about Global Warming, those who are in agreement and present it well, sort of make me lean towards them.  However when I read the skeptics arguements, I lean back the other way  wacko.gif

Global Warming caused by humans: An Inconvenient Truth
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Researchers who tried to replicate Oreskes findings came up with quite different results.  Searching the same database using the same keywords, Benny Peiser, of John Moores University, found 1,117 peer reviewed publications with abstracts. In contrast to Oreskes, he found that:

Nearly three times as many studies (3 percent) either rejected or doubted that humans are a cause of the current warming as those that explicitly endorsed the “consensus view” that humans are causing warming (1 percent).
Another 29 percent implicitly accepted the consensus view, but most focused on the projected impacts of climate change rather than its causes.
Two-thirds of all of the studies either made no mention of human influence or dealt with methodological issues, possible responses to climate change or natural factors that contribute to it.
Scientists Hans von Storch and Dennis Bray both of whom accept the consensus view surveyed their fellow climate scientists worldwide in 2003.


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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:41 AM

Global warming is just natural our plant goes through cycles, Global warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" I'm sure it began 18,000 years ago or so as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.
Around every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.

Global warming during Earth's current interglacial warm period has greatly altered our environment and the distribution and diversity of all life. For example:


15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.

By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bearing Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America.

Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth's temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice. Link - ice age/sea levels

I remember the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." - J. Robert Oppenheimer.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:44 AM

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If burning oil creates a whole concoction of gases, what would happen when those gases were frozen again? I don't know but if the gases are gas because of the speed of the electron around the nucleus, slowing down the speed of the revolution will cause the atom to bind with cousins andd uncles and sisters and brothers and you'll get oil again and I've never seen frozen oil.
Your knowledge of basic chemistry is next to nothing. When oil, gas, coal, etc are burned, the chemical bonds between atoms are broken. Most gases produced consist of just one or two elements. For gases to condense again, the temps would have to get really cold...approahing absolute zero. You would get frozen methane, water, CO2, etc. No frozel oil.

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I do not know how to post pictures here, but you find a picture of a nebula, look at it and tell me what you see and I will add, you do not see nothing and the Milky Way is not a nebula!

The Milky Way is a galaxy, not a nebula thumbsup.gif

My fave, the Trifid Nebula:
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Planetary nebula:

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The star hasn't gone supernovae (exploded) yet, but it is shedding its massive outer layers.


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It is Sodium and Potassium ions. We are like first cousins of the sun.

Like Aquatus said before, the main use of K and Na in our bodies are in synapses. It is the flow of K and Na (Polarization) that send the "message:

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 02:15 AM

At least people are not denying it now. Not surprisingly temperatures in the northern hemispheare are rising faster than in the south (this is due to the current location of Antarctica over the south pole and the north pole just being a frozen ocean). There temperature raise in the north is recorded at about 3.5c in the past 10 years, while the south has seen a 0.5c rise in temperature. This is the fastest recorded temperature change however ever recorded. With Antarcticas location combined with global dimming the earth should actually be getting colder and climate models currently show this. (I will search the references out for you tomorrow). There are also higher levels of CO2 in the atmospheare than record levels in recent years. This is the combination of two things 1)Out put from industry through consumption of fossil fuels etc and 2)removal of carbon sinks across the world. Massive declines in the Amazon, Congo and the rain forests of South East Asia. These are all made effects and these are what have pushed us to these rapid temperature rises and this is what is fueling global warming.

Please not models can be wrong, I am just stating my opinon on the matter for parts of this. thumbsup.gif

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 01:58 PM

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