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#1    Waspie_Dwarf

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:34 PM

Roscosmos Plans to Join NASA in Asteroid Capture Mission


RIA Novosti said:

MOSCOW, April 5 (RIA Novosti) Russias space agency Roscosmos may join NASAs ambitious mission to capture an asteroid and place it in high lunar orbit for exploration, Roscosmos head Vladimir Popovkin said.

[It is] a very interesting project, which NASA proposes to carry out jointly with Roscosmos specialists, Popovkin said in an interview with Rossiiskaya Gazeta newspaper to be published on Friday.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:40 PM

something tells me this ain't gonna end up with anything good ..........

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:44 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 08 April 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

something tells me this ain't gonna end up with anything good ..........
And you base assertion that on what evidence exactly?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

I think you guessed pretty right...

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:48 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 08 April 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

And you base assertion that on what evidence exactly?

When Russians asked US for help in recent project ( i think it had to do with planetary defense too ) US said no with no second thought now they accepted Russian " help ". Very arogant they are, very broke but arogant..

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:52 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 08 April 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

And you base assertion that on what evidence exactly?

evidence ? you must be joshing .... :lol:
come to think of it ... "capturing" Asteroids ... kinda speak for itself doesn't it ?

View PostTesla II, on 08 April 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

When Russians asked US for help in recent project ( i think it had to do with planetary defense too ) US said no with no second thought now they accepted Russian " help ". Very arogant they are, very broke but arogant..

I think somebody still owes someone a pair of pliers ... :lol:

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:56 PM

I wonder how long will they be " friends" once they found valauble minerals or some sort of new metal..

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:03 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 08 April 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

evidence ? you must be joshing .... :lol:
This being the science section evidence and logic rather go with the territory. I assume from your answer that your comment was not evidence based and, therefore, not valid scientifically.

View Postthird_eye, on 08 April 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

come to think of it ... "capturing" Asteroids ... kinda speak for itself doesn't it ?
Again a totally meaningless non-contribution. There is no theoretical or technological reason why a small asteroid can not be safely captured and moved into a cis-lunar orbit, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

The only statements that "kinda speak for themselves" seem to be yours.

View PostTesla II, on 08 April 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

I wonder how long will they be " friends" once they found valauble minerals or some sort of new metal..
They already know what sort of minerals exist on asteroids, the same as are found in meteorites.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:11 PM

View PostTesla II, on 08 April 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

When Russians asked US for help in recent project ( i think it had to do with planetary defense too ) US said no with no second thought now they accepted Russian " help ". Very arogant they are, very broke but arogant..

You are leaping to all sorts of incorrect assumptions here. It's not about help it's about cooperation. Both nations operate independent space agencies. Both have their own individual goals and both have their own budgetary constraints.

Sometimes their goals will overlap and the agencies will cooperate (the ISS being the prime example) and sometimes it will not be in the interest of one and they won't. An example of this would be Exo-Mars, a European mission to Mars. NASA withdrew from the project because, with budget limitations, it was no longer in their interest. Russia joined the project because, with their truely dismal record in Mars exploration, it was worth joining. That is the nature of these things.

Oh and by the way, you may think that NASA is broke but it still has a budget that makes that of Roscosmos look tiny.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 08 April 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

~snip

Again a totally meaningless non-contribution. There is no theoretical or technological reason why a small asteroid can not be safely captured and moved into a cis-lunar orbit, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

The only statements that "kinda speak for themselves" seem to be yours.


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to my un-scientific mind, 'capturing' asteroids is comical because I don't see the asteroid resisting.
Furthermore why 'capture' ? Its not an 'enemy' or a 'criminal'
The Asteroid is not dictated by what NASA's or Roscosmos' wants.
Lets see the space cowboys get the coordination right before we get ahead of ourselves here.
Unless they know for sure the density and mass of the thing, its nothing more than 'hoping' they know how to deal with it when the time comes.

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Edited by third_eye, 08 April 2013 - 02:17 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

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They already know what sort of minerals exist on asteroids, the same as are found in meteorites.


i'll rather not comment... So its all about the money than?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 08 April 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:


NASA withdrew from the project because, with budget limitations, it was no longer in their interest. Russia joined the project because, with their truely dismal record in Mars exploration, it was worth joining. That is the nature of these things.

Oh and by the way, you may think that NASA is broke but it still has a budget that makes that of Roscosmos look tiny.

10 millions up or down... NASA does only robotics, and doesnt have interest in human exploration..Meanwhile everybody else on globe is making plans for HUMAN exploration. About Mars mission... they withdrew because of budget what a joke so tiny roscomos is making more ambitious plans than rich NASA not mention everyone else.. Rather send a pretty expensive robot up there and achieve absolutely nothing..  

While others are trying to push human exploration... you do more and better research that way..

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