White House Releases Stimulus Jobs Report

[Caesar]

"WASHINGTON - The White House released a report Friday afternoon detailing the jobs saved and created by the $787 billion stimulus bill.

Vice President Joe Biden says the recovery money is helping to get the economy back on track. But Congressional Republicans say it's a waste of federal dollars.

"It's performing as advertised," said Biden. "It's playing it's part on lifting Americans back up and moving us toward genuine recovery."

According to a White House report, more than one million jobs have been created or saved. They say 650,000 of those jobs are directly linked to the stimulus dollars sent to the states. The White House says billions in tax cuts are behind the rest of the jobs"

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So if we put 250 billion into new jobs and created 650,000 jobs like the Messiah claims thats alot of money per job claimed, even if you believe that number.

[seax]

"WASHINGTON - The White House released a report Friday afternoon detailing the jobs saved and created by the $787 billion stimulus bill.

Vice President Joe Biden says the recovery money is helping to get the economy back on track. But Congressional Republicans say it's a waste of federal dollars.

"It's performing as advertised," said Biden. "It's playing it's part on lifting Americans back up and moving us toward genuine recovery."

According to a White House report, more than one million jobs have been created or saved. They say 650,000 of those jobs are directly linked to the stimulus dollars sent to the states. The White House says billions in tax cuts are behind the rest of the jobs"

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So if we put 250 billion into new jobs and created 650,000 jobs like the Messiah claims thats alot of money per job claimed, even if you believe that number.

The question is...what kind of jobs? I have not heard. Government jobs...that don't produce..but siphon money from the taxpayers...or short term jobs that will be gone when 'Santa Claus' is gone?

best regards,

seax

[Startraveler]

Yeah! What do teachers produce? Lay 'em all off, that's what I say!

Rabble rabble rabble!

[Caesar]

All the government is doing is just stretching this out, what happens a few months from now when the money stops comming in to the states?

[seax]

Yeah! What do teachers produce? Lay 'em all off, that's what I say!

Rabble rabble rabble!

Did I say teachers Startraveler? We have teachers aids in every class here in my state and the kids still don't learn...we have thrown money at education every since I was in school and spend it on everything but educating the kids...the line..'do it for the children' don't work anymore....

many people don't want to teach anymore because of the condition of the school systems. It's more 'indoctrination...rather than 'education'.

seax

[Startraveler]

Did I say teachers Startraveler?

Why, yes, I believe you did. You bemoaned the "government jobs" saved by the stimulus. Guess where a big chunk of those were?

The best symbol of the $787 billion federal stimulus program turns out not to be a construction worker in a hard hat, but rather a classroom teacher saved from a layoff.

On Friday, the Obama administration released the most detailed information yet on the jobs created by the stimulus. Of the 640,239 jobs recipients claimed to have created or saved so far, officials said, more than half — 325,000 — were in education. Most were teachers’ jobs that states said were saved when stimulus money averted a need for layoffs.

[seax]

All the government is doing is just stretching this out, what happens a few months from now when the money stops comming in to the states?

Exactly Caesar...we are spending 'play money' to pay people that don't produce. Much like the soviet union did...they 'pretended to work' and on pay day got 'play money' or pretended to get paid.

No one is addressing the true problem...so it will not be fixed...

seax

[ninjadude]

Did I say teachers Startraveler? We have teachers aids in every class here in my state and the kids still don't learn...we have thrown money at education every since I was in school and spend it on everything but educating the kids...the line..'do it for the children' don't work anymore....

many people don't want to teach anymore because of the condition of the school systems. It's more 'indoctrination...rather than 'education'.

I'm confused. Are you advocating ignorance?

[Caesar]

I'm confused. Are you advocating ignorance?

Roses are red - Violets are blue and I can't understand you.

[seax]

I'm confused. Are you advocating ignorance?

no...you are...

seax

[seax]

Why, yes, I believe you did. You bemoaned the "government jobs" saved by the stimulus. Guess where a big chunk of those were?

The best symbol of the $787 billion federal stimulus program turns out not to be a construction worker in a hard hat, but rather a classroom teacher saved from a layoff.

On Friday, the Obama administration released the most detailed information yet on the jobs created by the stimulus. Of the 640,239 jobs recipients claimed to have created or saved so far, officials said, more than half — 325,000 — were in education. Most were teachers’ jobs that states said were saved when stimulus money averted a need for layoffs.

Well Startraveler...if it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck...then maybe it's a duck.

You make lame excuses all you want...maybe in your state the birds are singing and the flowers are growing and Eutophia is flourishing...but in my state and I think many many more the taxpayers are getting fleeced by the school systems...primarily because the Feds have the school system by the throats...I had 3 aunts retire from the schools system and have a niese that teaches now. My oldest aunt taught two different grades in one classroom..without any help...now they all have teachers aids...and the kids still graduate and can't do basic math and read. We have literally poured money in the education system...including the savior...lottery that would fix all ills and they still need money.

With all due respect...pull the 'for the children' on someone that doesn't know better..please...if states don't have the teachers they need...it isn't because of money. Maybe the states are sending too much to Washington to be dangled over their heads to dance for.

best regards,

seax

[ninjadude]

but in my state and I think many many more the taxpayers are getting fleeced by the school systems...primarily because the Feds have the school system by the throats...I had 3 aunts retire from the schools system and have a niese that teaches now. My oldest aunt taught two different grades in one classroom..without any help...now they all have teachers aids...and the kids still graduate and can't do basic math and read. We have literally poured money in the education system...including the savior...lottery that would fix all ills and they still need money. With all due respect...pull the 'for the children' on someone that doesn't know better..please...if states don't have the teachers they need...it isn't because of money. Maybe the states are sending too much to Washington to be dangled over their heads to dance for.

this rambling post seems to not make sense. First you claim that the taxpayers are getting fleeced by the school systems and then you conclude that you you're mad that the states have to dance for federal money. But of course, schools are supported by local taxes. I have aunts that taught and retired as well. So what. And they taught two grades as well. So what. What problem do you have with teachers aids? Isn't being a teacher hard enough? I'm not sure any of that was meant to increase graduation rates. It is concerning that students have problems with math, reading, science, and lots of things. I see local school districts who make incredibly stupid decisions about books and curriculum (in Kansas and Texas). These are local problems with local solutions. Some inner city schools do indeed need money (like Chicago). The local taxes cannot keep up and the buildings are falling apart. Making a learning environment impossible.

[Startraveler]

You make lame excuses all you want...With all due respect...pull the 'for the children' on someone that doesn't know better..please...if states don't have the teachers they need...it isn't because of money.

I must say, I have no idea what you're talking about. The question is whether you think that the occupation of teacher is a "Government job...that [doesn't] produce." Do you think firing teachers is an acceptable cost-cutting measure for a municipality or would you prefer that teachers be retained?

[seax]

this rambling post seems to not make sense. First you claim that the taxpayers are getting fleeced by the school systems and then you conclude that you you're mad that the states have to dance for federal money. But of course, schools are supported by local taxes. I have aunts that taught and retired as well. So what. And they taught two grades as well. So what. What problem do you have with teachers aids? Isn't being a teacher hard enough? I'm not sure any of that was meant to increase graduation rates. It is concerning that students have problems with math, reading, science, and lots of things. I see local school districts who make incredibly stupid decisions about books and curriculum (in Kansas and Texas). These are local problems with local solutions. Some inner city schools do indeed need money (like Chicago). The local taxes cannot keep up and the buildings are falling apart. Making a learning environment impossible.

Ninja nothing makes much sense to you unless Obama says it.

seax

[seax]

I must say, I have no idea what you're talking about. The question is whether you think that the occupation of teacher is a "Government job...that [doesn't] produce." Do you think firing teachers is an acceptable cost-cutting measure for a municipality or would you prefer that teachers be retained?

You have trouble understanding a lot...there are many teachers that don't produce...are you saying that all teachers produce? Now...talking in context to the remarks I made...I think creating any job...just to give someone a paycheck a 'feel good' to produce numbers is the brain child of incompetent fools. Your extreme resentment of my fair assessment of the 'stimulus' has fogged your judgement and has caused you to put words in my mouth. I never said anything about 'firing teachers'. Please show me the quote.

Because one teaches and has a teaching certificate or degree does not mean they are a teacher or is entitled to the position...that is true of a teacher or engineer...but engineers don't have tenier..nor any other professional in the private sector.

As for municipalities laying off teachers that should be a question for each one of them. As I insinuated earlier...maybe the problem isn't in the money thrown at education..maybe it is how it is spent that they have to layoff teachers...and the working conditions that some of the municipalities have that discourage a sensible person to take the punishment.

It seems many areas in the country don't need teachers...all they need is 'baby sitters' so the kids can get a 'certificate of attendance' for going to school. Maybe if they weren't so busy singing praises to Obama they could learn fractions so when they get out of school they can figure how much of their paychecks they will get. er...assuming they will be able to find employment. Maybe they can all 'baby sit'.

best regards,

seax

Edited November 1, 2009 by seax

[ninjadude]

You have trouble understanding a lot...there are many teachers that don't produce...are you saying that all teachers produce? Now...talking in context to the remarks I made...I think creating any job...just to give someone a paycheck a 'feel good' to produce numbers is the brain child of incompetent fools. Because one teaches and has a teaching certificate or degree does not mean they are a teacher or is entitled to the position...that is true of a teacher or engineer...but engineers don't have tenier..nor any other professional in the private sector. It seems many areas in the country don't need teachers...all they need is 'baby sitters' so the kids can get a 'certificate of attendance' for going to school.

So your reponse to me is nothing. Meaning I was completely correct.

who creates jobs just to give someone a paycheck or to 'feel good'?

a teaching certificate means you are a teacher. You might not have a job. being a teacher is not an entitlement.

where do you see evidence of teachers as baby sitters? what school gives out cetificates of attendance?

where do you come up with this stuff?

[seax]

So your reponse to me is nothing. Meaning I was completely correct.

who creates jobs just to give someone a paycheck or to 'feel good'?

a teaching certificate means you are a teacher. You might not have a job. being a teacher is not an entitlement.

where do you see evidence of teachers as baby sitters? what school gives out cetificates of attendance?

where do you come up with this stuff?

Get your head out the sand ninja. Your creator or either evolution gave you eyes..ears..and a brain...they are there for a purpose...

I don't waste my time with 'yes' people..

best regards,

seax

[Startraveler]

You have trouble understanding a lot...

I find a great many folks' thinking to be extremely muddled. Muddled thinking leads to muddled communication. You started off in this thread with this:

The question is...what kind of jobs? I have not heard. Government jobs...that don't produce..but siphon money from the taxpayers..

It was then pointed out to you that the bulk of the jobs saved by the stimulus package so far have been teachers. As in, teachers who would've been laid off by cash-strapped cities and states but were able to be retained. Then you rambled a bit about education and again said:

we are spending 'play money' to pay people that don't produce.

Then you equated saving a teaching job--you know, those things saved by the stimulus--with

creating any job...just to give someone a paycheck a 'feel good' to produce numbers

The logical import of your words is that the stimulus was bad and states falling on hard financial times should fire teachers. Because using federal money to keep teachers from being laid off is bad: it's "paying people that don't produce" as a "feel good" measure to "produce numbers." And, despite this being exactly what you've been saying throughout this thread, you come back with:

I never said anything about 'firing teachers'. Please show me the quote.

Is it surprising that one would have trouble understanding you when it seems you don't even understand you?

[seax]

I find a great many folks' thinking to be extremely muddled. Muddled thinking leads to muddled communication. You started off in this thread with this:

It was then pointed out to you that the bulk of the jobs saved by the stimulus package so far have been teachers. As in, teachers who would've been laid off by cash-strapped cities and states but were able to be retained. Then you rambled a bit about education and again said:

It appears I hit a nerve with the education system in this country.

Why are the cities 'cash strapped?' Many states have lottery's ....education lotteries...that are suppose to cure all ills in money for education...anyway..that's what the liberals in our state told us...now the money is gone...the same thing in SC. We have school superintendants drawing up to $200,000 per year...that are in charge of school systems turning out morons...you call that producing? And it's that way in every state...some systems are better...but for the most part a whole lot of waste...just like in every other 'government run' entity. Many teachers are good and can't help the idiots they work for...but many school systems have been turned into a political arena for teachers unions and like I said earlier...day care centers. All dogs don't have fleas...but they have the essentials to attract them. I think if you look at the reasons why they were laying off teachers..if that is true and you believe the source...it is not so innocent as declaired.

The logical import of your words is that the stimulus was bad and states falling on hard financial times should fire teachers. Because using federal money to keep teachers from being laid off is bad: it's "paying people that don't produce" as a "feel good" measure to "produce numbers." And, despite this being exactly what you've been saying throughout this thread, you come back with:

You took this to heart because of a nerve...I hit...evidently. I learned a long time ago not to argue with 'it's for the children'..... When you can't justify sqandering money it is easy to sidetrack and pull on heart strings. I see extreme waste here and I will guarantee you where you live it is no different. There are the exceptions...but for the most part just like a lot of other institutions in this country that are good are being run by 'robber barons'...political cronies...and unions that care nothing for education only what they can take, no different than AIG...GM...and Bank of America...you pick'em there is a whole selection to choose from.

Is it surprising that one would have trouble understanding you when it seems you don't even understand you?

Maybe I'm over your head... Pull your head out the sand more often and look around.

Looking through tunnels gives you tunnel vision.

Are these states going to have to continue to call on 'Santa Claus' to keep the teachers working? Do you suppose Obama will 'look into' the gov. clearing the way for 'private sector' jobs to increase the tax base in these states and put people to work and redirect public money from 'welfare' and 'unemployment'? If things continue to get bad...where is the money coming from? Everyone just...pay a little more taxes? What happens when more business's close...the tax base gets smaller...more strain on unemployment benefits...more states wanting money fund that plus their teachers and everything else. Where does it stop Startraveler? Do you think teachers are the only ones having it tough?

Go to the source of the problem...start there...you out a fire at the source.

best regards,

seax

[ninjadude]

Get your head out the sand ninja. Your creator or either evolution gave you eyes..ears..and a brain...they are there for a purpose...

I don't waste my time with 'yes' people..

a childish response.

[Startraveler]

Why are the cities 'cash strapped?'

And here's where the conversation ends. Call me when you get your hands on a newspaper published in the past year or two.

[seax]

And here's where the conversation ends. Call me when you get your hands on a newspaper published in the past year or two.

But of course it ends here.. ..nobody wants to talk about fixing problems only throwing more money at it. I live in a liberal state...Dem contolled and they squandered a billion dollars in highway funds. Then raised taxes and fees plus passed an 'education lottery' and cried on the shoulders of the teachers unions for votes...then cut their pay and benefits of the teachers. I guess everyone goes to school...even teachers.

Those 650,000 jobs cost the taxpayers about $230,000.00 a piece...roughly.

And still...nothing is being done about producing jobs.

seax

Edited November 2, 2009 by seax

[seax]

a childish response.

At the time...the thing to say...

seax

[eqgumby]

I must say, I have no idea what you're talking about. The question is whether you think that the occupation of teacher is a "Government job...that [doesn't] produce." Do you think firing teachers is an acceptable cost-cutting measure for a municipality or would you prefer that teachers be retained?

I think laying off teachers is a waste if they are teaching. Lay off administrators that suck up space and money.

And ban disruptive kids.

The reason schools need 3 adults in a class of 26 kids, is because 5 of the 26 kids are out of control and need baby sitters because they have no parents at home that actually parent.

The study I read recently claimed the jobs were over reported and inflated, and many of the jobs reported were of a temporary nature "spun" to keep money coming in and make businesses look as if they were growing. Investors love growth, they hate to see lay-offs and downsizing.

[seax]

I think laying off teachers is a waste if they are teaching. Lay off administrators that suck up space and money.

And ban disruptive kids.

The reason schools need 3 adults in a class of 26 kids, is because 5 of the 26 kids are out of control and need baby sitters because they have no parents at home that actually parent.

The study I read recently claimed the jobs were over reported and inflated, and many of the jobs reported were of a temporary nature "spun" to keep money coming in and make businesses look as if they were growing. Investors love growth, they hate to see lay-offs and downsizing.

Thank you eggumby...very well put.

best regards,

seax