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[CommunitarianKevin]

joc, on 08 November 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

That would be interesting to find.  How about you show me the statistics that show Most people getting government assistance are hard working Americans stuggling to get by, not a bunch of lazy freeloaders sitting at home.

Because you need a job to get food stamps and government assisstance...
According to the numbers, these people are the majority of those getting assisstance...
Total number of Americans on food stamps    46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance   5,600,000

Maybe my state just runs things better than your state, but in my state you need a job to get food stamps. You also need a job to get other types of assisstance, such as assisstance to pay for child care. I know this because my wife's cousin is going through a nasty divorce. I have personally tried to find her a job. She cannot find one. She quit her last job because the child care cost more than her job paid. I can give you the numbers for how much child care costs and how much minimum wage pays if you would like...She is now trying to find a job so she can get benifits from the government because contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

You also need to actively be looking for a job to get unemployment and unemployment is limited in how long you can be on it. The same goes for welfare, you typically cannot be on it forever. But most people will find that a job does a better job of paying the bills.

I do not have statistics, but for what it is worth, I work at a gas station. It tells me when someone is using food stamps. I also talk to my customers and pay attention to what they are wearing. Shockingly enough, many of them come in after work and often wearing their work uniforms. I have also found out that many on food stamps are single parents. Obviously that is not statistics, but just an observation.

Maybe you just live in a crappy state where they hand out money. Maybe the country should model their government assisstance programs after what my state does...but I imagine Repubs would get all upset like they did with healthcare...

[joc]

HuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Because you need a job to get food stamps and government assisstance...
According to the numbers, these people are the majority of those getting assisstance...
Total number of Americans on food stamps    46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance   5,600,000

Maybe my state just runs things better than your state, but in my state you need a job to get food stamps. You also need a job to get other types of assisstance, such as assisstance to pay for child care. I know this because my wife's cousin is going through a nasty divorce. I have personally tried to find her a job. She cannot find one. She quit her last job because the child care cost more than her job paid. I can give you the numbers for how much child care costs and how much minimum wage pays if you would like...She is now trying to find a job so she can get benifits from the government because contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

You also need to actively be looking for a job to get unemployment and unemployment is limited in how long you can be on it. The same goes for welfare, you typically cannot be on it forever. But most people will find that a job does a better job of paying the bills.

I do not have statistics, but for what it is worth, I work at a gas station. It tells me when someone is using food stamps. I also talk to my customers and pay attention to what they are wearing. Shockingly enough, many of them come in after work and often wearing their work uniforms. I have also found out that many on food stamps are single parents. Obviously that is not statistics, but just an observation.

Maybe you just live in a crappy state where they hand out money. Maybe the country should model their government assisstance programs after what my state does...but I imagine Repubs would get all upset like they did with healthcare...

I live in  Texas...so...no...I don't live in a crappy state...Texas just Rocks!

contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

Did you even look at the statistics link?  I guess you missed this:
Top 10 Hourly Wage Equivalent Welfare States in U.S.
State     Hourly Wage Equivalent
Hawaii     $17.50
Alaska     $15.48
Massachusetts     $14.66
Connecticut     $14.23
Washington, D.C.     $13.99
New York     $13.13
New Jersey     $12.55
Rhode Island     $12.55
California     $11.59
Virginia     $11.11

[CommunitarianKevin]

joc, on 08 November 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I live in  Texas...so...no...I don't live in a crappy state...Texas just Rocks!

contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

Did you even look at the statistics link?  I guess you missed this:
Top 10 Hourly Wage Equivalent Welfare States in U.S.
State Hourly Wage Equivalent
Hawaii $17.50
Alaska $15.48
Massachusetts $14.66
Connecticut $14.23
Washington, D.C. $13.99
New York $13.13
New Jersey $12.55
Rhode Island $12.55
California $11.59
Virginia $11.11

I will try not to be rude but STOP LUMPING FOOD STAMPS AND UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE SAME GROUP AS WELFARE. Let's give you the benifit of the doubt. Let's say that all of the 4.4 million people on welfare in this country are lazy moochers, just sitting at home. That is less than 2 percent of the US population you are basing your political view on.

If you look at how much they pay you for food stamps, which makes up the majority of your people on "welfare," they only get a few hundred dollars. Minimum wage in ANY STATE earns you MUCH MORE than 300 dollars.

And hell, here is an idea...make the rates welfare federal (not that this would make any sense, since the cost of living varies by state) but then at least you would not have these dumbass states giving all of these lazy people free money. Maybe that states should learn how not to give away free money. Ever thought of that? Also, look at the cost of living in those states and tell me how much money they need to make a year and how much those types of wages would pay for. I imagine $11.59 an hour in Cali isn't going to get you much because I make $12 bucks an hour and working full time that is less than $25,000 a year. Do you realize how little $25,000 a year is? My wife makes $60,000 a year and we are still lower middle class in Minnesota. $25,000 a year is considered poverty for a family of 4. What I am saying is they are not living in a relaxing situation either way.

If you think 12 or 13 bucks an hour is "good money," I suggest going to college and getting a degree because anyone with a degree should make WAY more than that.

[Capt Amerika]

joc, on 07 November 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yeah....well, here is another way to look at it:
Welfare Statistics
Total number of Americans on welfare 4,300,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps    46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance   5,600,000
Total number of Americans on Government Assistance   56,600,000

Total number of Americans who voted for Obama 59,971,178

So yeah...HALF...

Yet they have to twist and spin the term "welfare" to get to a tiny number.
Maybe we need to say "assistance"  its the new politically correct word.
Either way, the facts are simple, too many people in this nation receive money or services from the govt at taxpayers expense.
Far more than the elderly and disabled too, they would like you to think thats ll that actually get assistance.

[Capt Amerika]

supervike, on 07 November 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Because several people on this site not only made bold (and completely wrong) predictions, but were seemingly celebrating before the fact.

To be honest, I've no real problem with Romney.  I think he may have made a fine President.  He seems to be a stand up guy, and I feel a bit sorry for him.

The people that were his clueless pundits (especially on this board) were the ones I've no pity on.

I only really had two choices.  Romney who hasnt screwed us over and has business sense or Obama who HAS screwed us over and has no business sense.
Ron Paul wasnt given to me as an option.
Sometimes you have to choose the lesser of 2 evils and in this case i went for the good of the nation, the majority however went for the free handouts that were at risk if my choice had gotten in.

[Capt Amerika]

EllJay, on 07 November 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Well, - if disregarding everyone who was almost religiously convinced that the American people would punish Obama severely now in November and that Republicans would clean House, Senate and Office and winning a roaring victory and Obama would be tarred and feathered.-  we also have that incurable stupid and irrelevant individual called Donald Trump, who suddenly reached a minuscule little glimpse of insight and understood that Twittering like a drunk about calling for revolution against Obama  and walk on Washington.maybe wasn't that smart.
That's foot-in-mouth for ya.

As NBC's Brian Williams said reading these tweets: - He (Trump) has 'driven well past the last exit to relevance.'  


http://www.dailymail...s-election.html





The truth is that FOX News is an long, ongoing TV-ad for the GOP and haven't wavering an inch from that everlasting `commercial´ since it started up.

How about looking what's `under the hood´, and listen to what many people who actually worked there.has to say about FOX News.>>>>

You voted for Obama because Trump upset you?  Way to look out for the nation.

Fox has its issues but so do the rest.  How many stories last summer got people at NBC fired for editing footage etc?
All news media is corrupt.
But, once you know that you can watch and learn then do your own investigating.
I watch MSNBC / CNN AND FOX.
My whole point was why did no other network demand answers for Benghazi?  Fast and Furious?
Nixon was forced to resign for illegally wiretapping his political foes.  Remember how many deaths resulted in that?  None.
My problem is that Obama has become the Teflon President and the American people are content to just accept it and move on.
What will he get a free pass on next?

[Capt Amerika]

ninjadude, on 07 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Pretty much all of those things are happening. His list of accomplishments is quite lengthy. You should look it up.

Just because you SAY most of those things are happening doesnt make it true.
Our "rebound" is growing at a pathetic 2%.  Thats less than the growth level during the Great Depression for crying out loud.
Problem with Obama supporters is the yfind the point where he drove us so far into the ground and then they take the little bump back up and cry out that its rebounding!!! its on the right track!!!!
They never seem to come back two weeks later when its flatlined.
Throw a rock at the ground as hard as you can, watch it bounce back up.  Theres your rebound.
Where was the rock two seconds later though?

And civil liberties?   is that what he was doing when he resigned the Patriot Act 4 times after declaring it was going to be repealed?
Helping working families?  is that what that tax called Obama care was?  a way of helping the working family?
My policy went up 6% on the very day that the Supreme court decided that Obamacare was legal because it was a tax.
Please stop trying to help me.  it isnt working

[Capt Amerika]

THE MATRIX, on 08 November 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

'pop' 'pop' 'pop'
So many Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers heads exploding.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! What's even worse is the the Shellacking Romney took. LOLOLOLOLOL!

Its all fun and games until the working class decides to stop working to pay for Obamas Socialist welfare state.
Then the only pop pop pop you will here is the Democrats heads exploding trying to figure out how to keep the poor in check with no one elses money.

[Capt Amerika]

The Unseen, on 08 November 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

No ONE wants to really hear what I have to say,I can say things about the big eared pres all day long,Its just too bad that people voted for him only because they think he will hand out money to the Lazy ,I think he su......I think I'm going to die these next 4 years defending my firearms rights because of that fool,But who wants to live forever.

C'mon man Obama aint going to try to pass legislation to take your guns away.
He would never get re-elected if he tried to do that.....wait, he doesnt have another election to win???
Interesting.  Lets see what kind of things he is willing to try when a re-election isnt looming over his head.
He got away with Obamacare by locking the GOP out of the room when it was formed......Whats next?

[Capt Amerika]

HuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Because you need a job to get food stamps and government assisstance...
According to the numbers, these people are the majority of those getting assisstance...
Total number of Americans on food stamps 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance   5,600,000

Maybe my state just runs things better than your state, but in my state you need a job to get food stamps. You also need a job to get other types of assisstance, such as assisstance to pay for child care. I know this because my wife's cousin is going through a nasty divorce. I have personally tried to find her a job. She cannot find one. She quit her last job because the child care cost more than her job paid. I can give you the numbers for how much child care costs and how much minimum wage pays if you would like...She is now trying to find a job so she can get benifits from the government because contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

You also need to actively be looking for a job to get unemployment and unemployment is limited in how long you can be on it. The same goes for welfare, you typically cannot be on it forever. But most people will find that a job does a better job of paying the bills.

I do not have statistics, but for what it is worth, I work at a gas station. It tells me when someone is using food stamps. I also talk to my customers and pay attention to what they are wearing. Shockingly enough, many of them come in after work and often wearing their work uniforms. I have also found out that many on food stamps are single parents. Obviously that is not statistics, but just an observation.

Maybe you just live in a crappy state where they hand out money. Maybe the country should model their government assisstance programs after what my state does...but I imagine Repubs would get all upset like they did with healthcare...

Minnesota is a welfare state.
Minnesota will tax you to death and then some.
I know this because i live in North Dakota right along the state line and i see Minnesota people over here constantly.  We have people living here that work across the state line just to shield themselves from Minnesotas taxation policies.
Outside of buying clothing in Minnesota ( 0 tax on clothing) there is nothing there i would ever buy.
Why do you think the Canadians flood our cities on the weekends to do their shopping and not cities in Minnesota?
Because to shop in Minnesota is no different than shopping in Canada.
Just an observation.

[Capt Amerika]

joc, on 08 November 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I live in  Texas...so...no...I don't live in a crappy state...Texas just Rocks!

contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

Did you even look at the statistics link?  I guess you missed this:
Top 10 Hourly Wage Equivalent Welfare States in U.S.
State Hourly Wage Equivalent
Hawaii $17.50
Alaska $15.48
Massachusetts $14.66
Connecticut $14.23
Washington, D.C. $13.99
New York $13.13
New Jersey $12.55
Rhode Island $12.55
California $11.59
Virginia $11.11

Interesting.
I see a lot of states that were blue on the election map.
Guess taking welfare doesnt equate into not being smart enough to know where your next free handout is coming from.

[CommunitarianKevin]

Capt Amerika, on 08 November 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Minnesota is a welfare state.
Minnesota will tax you to death and then some.
I know this because i live in North Dakota right along the state line and i see Minnesota people over here constantly.  We have people living here that work across the state line just to shield themselves from Minnesotas taxation policies.
Outside of buying clothing in Minnesota ( 0 tax on clothing) there is nothing there i would ever buy.
Why do you think the Canadians flood our cities on the weekends to do their shopping and not cities in Minnesota?
Because to shop in Minnesota is no different than shopping in Canada.
Just an observation.

I have lived several places and would not want to live any where else. We have a great economy here. Maybe we do tax people more but you can see the results. And really? People comming from Canada to shop there? Don't buy that. I had a buddy that was going to grad school up there. He said all the towns are, are bars...

[CommunitarianKevin]

Capt Amerika, on 08 November 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Interesting.
I see a lot of states that were blue on the election map.
Guess taking welfare doesnt equate into not being smart enough to know where your next free handout is coming from.

4.4 million people in the entire country is on welfare. That is less than 2% of the total US population...or not enough to really make a difference in the vote in those particular states. And did you take into consideration the cost of living in those states?

Edited by HuttonEtAl, 08 November 2012 - 02:33 PM.

[Capt Amerika]

HuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

I will try not to be rude but STOP LUMPING FOOD STAMPS AND UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE SAME GROUP AS WELFARE. Let's give you the benifit of the doubt. Let's say that all of the 4.4 million people on welfare in this country are lazy moochers, just sitting at home. That is less than 2 percent of the US population you are basing your political view on.

If you look at how much they pay you for food stamps, which makes up the majority of your people on "welfare," they only get a few hundred dollars. Minimum wage in ANY STATE earns you MUCH MORE than 300 dollars.

And hell, here is an idea...make the rates welfare federal (not that this would make any sense, since the cost of living varies by state) but then at least you would not have these dumbass states giving all of these lazy people free money. Maybe that states should learn how not to give away free money. Ever thought of that? Also, look at the cost of living in those states and tell me how much money they need to make a year and how much those types of wages would pay for. I imagine $11.59 an hour in Cali isn't going to get you much because I make $12 bucks an hour and working full time that is less than $25,000 a year. Do you realize how little $25,000 a year is? My wife makes $60,000 a year and we are still lower middle class in Minnesota. $25,000 a year is considered poverty for a family of 4. What I am saying is they are not living in a relaxing situation either way.

If you think 12 or 13 bucks an hour is "good money," I suggest going to college and getting a degree because anyone with a degree should make WAY more than that.

Welfare: Welfare can take a variety of forms, such as monetary payments, subsidies and vouchers, or housing.
Well what do you know, Welfare by definition is actually MORE than just monetary payments.

Now explain to me why your ability to achieve wages of 25k a year is my fault?
If you couldnt be bothered to go to school or learn a skill why should i have to be bothered to provide you with extra subsidies?
Turn off your data paln, your internet and your cable.
We have a very very sick view of what is considered poverty in this nation.
You call 25k poverty, on the global scale that would put you near the top 1%.

In my personal opinion if you can work you get nothing.
There are programs out there to help lift you up, But welfare for an able bodied person does nothing but subsidise their lack of ambition.
When i go to Wal-Mart i expect to be checked out by a teenager or an older retired person looking to make some spending cash.  Not a person trying to raise a family crying about a living wage.
If that person is you, then you need to use the govt programs to lift yourself up into a job that pays a living wage instead of whining about it.

[CommunitarianKevin]

joc, on 08 November 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I live in  Texas...so...no...I don't live in a crappy state...Texas just Rocks!

contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

Did you even look at the statistics link?  I guess you missed this:
Top 10 Hourly Wage Equivalent Welfare States in U.S.
State Hourly Wage Equivalent
Hawaii $17.50
Alaska $15.48
Massachusetts $14.66
Connecticut $14.23
Washington, D.C. $13.99
New York $13.13
New Jersey $12.55
Rhode Island $12.55
California $11.59
Virginia $11.11

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46413848/
Cost of living…most expensive states…
1.    Hawaii
2.    Alaska
3.    Connecticut
4.    New York
5.    California
6.    New Jersey
7.    Rhode Island
8.    Maryland
9.    Vermont
10.   Massachusetts
Man...it is almost like the base welfare on the cost of living in the states...who would have imagined...