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#226    Yes_Man

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:33 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 02 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

We were aware, lol. For some 3 pages on end.

http://www.unexplain...05#entry4749320

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Ahh i missed that thanks!!
I don't know when the first pre Inca peoples arrived in South America but surely there could of been contact when the Cuviernouis was nearly extinct.

Here i found this

"On the eastern side of the Gateway of Sun, in the lowest row of the frieze, are several designs that seem to outline the head, ears, tusks and trunk of an elephant-like creature, which some people say might represent the New World proboscid Cuvieronius, which became extinct 12,000 years ago, at the end of the last ice age. Each ‘elephant’ is actually composed of the heads of two crested condors, placed throat to throat – the crests constitute the ‘ears’, and the upper part of the necks the ‘tusks’ (the condors forming half of the two ‘elephants’ can be seen on the far left and far right of fig. 7:14; see also the figures below). Graham Hancock argues that the ‘elephant’ may nevertheless be intentional as the Tiwanaku sculptors often used one thing to depict another – e.g. an ear on an apparently human face might turn out to be a bird’s wing."
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http://davidpratt.info/andes2.htm

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:47 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 02 May 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ahh i missed that thanks!!
I don't know when the first pre Inca peoples arrived in South America but surely there could of been contact when the Cuviernouis was nearly extinct.

Here i found this

"On the eastern side of the Gateway of Sun, in the lowest row of the frieze, are several designs that seem to outline the head, ears, tusks and trunk of an elephant-like creature, which some people say might represent the New World proboscid Cuvieronius, which became extinct 12,000 years ago, at the end of the last ice age. Each ‘elephant’ is actually composed of the heads of two crested condors, placed throat to throat – the crests constitute the ‘ears’, and the upper part of the necks the ‘tusks’ (the condors forming half of the two ‘elephants’ can be seen on the far left and far right of fig. 7:14; see also the figures below). Graham Hancock argues that the ‘elephant’ may nevertheless be intentional as the Tiwanaku sculptors often used one thing to depict another – e.g. an ear on an apparently human face might turn out to be a bird’s wing."
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http://davidpratt.info/andes2.htm

If you read that post of mine I linked to, you will have read that some sources say that these elephants were still alive around 2000 years ago and even a few centuries more recent than that, but I have never found a scientific paper confirming that date.

From your post:

"On the eastern side of the Gateway of Sun, in the lowest row of the frieze, are several designs that seem to outline the head, ears, tusks and trunk of an elephant-like creature, which some people say might represent the New World proboscid Cuvieronius, which became extinct 12,000 years ago, at the end of the last ice age. Each ‘elephant’ is actually composed of the heads of two crested condors, placed throat to throat – the crests constitute the ‘ears’, and the upper part of the necks the ‘tusks’ (the condors forming half of the two ‘elephants’ can be seen on the far left and far right of fig. 7:14; see also the figures below). Graham Hancock argues that the ‘elephant’ may nevertheless be intentional as the Tiwanaku sculptors often used one thing to depict another – e.g. an ear on an apparently human face might turn out to be a bird’s wing."

Those are birds alright.

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Edited by Abramelin, 02 May 2013 - 02:49 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 29 April 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Why was crossing an ocean a taboo?

Is it possible they were forced to cross the ocean by some natural disaster?

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Maybe not a natural disaster...


How peaceful was Harappan Civilization?
http://a.harappa.com...an-civilization


Surprising Discoveries From the Indus Civilization
Archaeologists say the Indus civilization wasn’t nearly as peaceful as popularly thought.


Experts have long thought that the Indus region was indeed vastly different from ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia in one respect: the level of violence. Based on the lack of evidence for mass destruction of any Indus cities, and the lack of depictions of soldiers or killing, the Indus is often described as a "peaceful realm." But recent scrutiny of another group of Harappan skeletons tells a darker story.

Bones from about 1900 to 1700 B.C.—more than a millennium later than those examined by Kenoyer—make it clear that at least some Harappan residents were subjected to savage violence. The skull of a child between four and six years old was cracked and crushed by blows from a club-like weapon. An adult woman was beaten so badly—with extreme force, according to researchers—that her skull caved in. A middle-aged man had a broken nose as well as damage to his forehead inflicted by a sharp-edged, heavy implement.

Of the 18 skulls examined from this time period, nearly half showed serious injuries from violence, researchers reported in a recent paper in the International Journal of Paleopathology. The rate of skull injuries tied to violence is the highest recorded in the prehistory of South Asia, the researchers say. It may be no coincidence that at the time of these burials the Indus civilization was beginning to disintegrate and parts of Harappa were being abandoned, for reasons that scholars are still debating.


http://news.national...eology-science/


I think an invading people forced the Harappans to flee on their ships, and some may have ended up in Australia.

If you read both articles, they seem to suggest that the IVC or Harappan civilization wasn't as peaceful as was always assumed. However, I think it was peaceful, but ended in a violent manner.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:02 PM

I am not being fringie, but i have noticed that there is some sort of similarity between the rongo rongo script of easter islands and the IVC script.
Any thoughts?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:04 PM

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:46 PM

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:27 AM

Woolly mammoths and other large beasts in North America may not have gone extinct as long ago as previously thought
The new view — that pockets of beasts survived to as recently as 7,600 years ago, rather than the previous end times mark of 12,000 years ago — is supported by DNA evidence found in a few pinches of dirt.

http://www.nbcnews.c...cience-science/


The ancestors of the Incas were hunters who came from Asia crossing the Bering Strait.

The Incas would have remembered the Elephants.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:20 AM

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Woolly mammoths and other large beasts in North America may not have gone extinct as long ago as previously thought
The new view — that pockets of beasts survived to as recently as 7,600 years ago, rather than the previous end times mark of 12,000 years ago — is supported by DNA evidence found in a few pinches of dirt.

http://www.nbcnews.c...cience-science/


The ancestors of the Incas were hunters who came from Asia crossing the Bering Strait.

The Incas would have remembered the Elephants.

Based on your link it's not likely since the two, Inca and DNA samples, are separated by some 6800+ years (to 13th century AD) and 6000+ miles. Neither the Inca nor their immediate ancestors would have 'remembered' any such thing over that long a time and distance.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:56 AM

The Ancient Indian and Chinese had huge sea worthy vessels, which could have easily crossed the pacific.Maybe the knowledge of crossing the pacific and the mayan and incans was so common place that it did not warrant special mention.

The architecture of Ankorwat and other monuments in south east asia like the step pyramid and monuments in South America show great simmilarity which was honestly reported by early European explorers.

Why else you think Pyramids were built in Egypt, the knowledge reached South East Asia, where more such Pyramids for Sun worship etc were also constructed, from where the knowledge of Pyramid building could have reached South America.

The route highlighted by the Pyramids may be the biggest clue in this mystery. I don't believe that all these ancients ended up building pyramids in isolation. And if the European adventures were right about discovering continents (it is funny that they claimed to discover these continents though there were civilizations present in these continents when they arrived) then there should have been Pyramids of some form in Europe.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:07 AM

If there were exchange of ideas/culture or even ancient Asians traveling to South America and Egypt etc, there would be some sort of traces, physical or documentary -records either in stone, or papyrus or books or references in ancient manuscripts etc or physical traces like pottery, beads, artifacts.

Of course, Absence of evidence is not final and proving that there has been no exchanges.
But Absence of evidence, till such evidence is found, will not support any such idea or notion of any exchange.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 03 May 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

The Ancient Indian and Chinese had huge sea worthy vessels, which could have easily crossed the pacific.Maybe the knowledge of crossing the pacific and the mayan and incans was so common place that it did not warrant special mention.

The architecture of Ankorwat and other monuments in south east asia like the step pyramid and monuments in South America show great simmilarity which was honestly reported by early European explorers.

Why else you think Pyramids were built in Egypt, the knowledge reached South East Asia, where more such Pyramids for Sun worship etc were also constructed, from where the knowledge of Pyramid building could have reached South America.

The route highlighted by the Pyramids may be the biggest clue in this mystery. I don't believe that all these ancients ended up building pyramids in isolation. And if the European adventures were right about discovering continents (it is funny that they claimed to discover these continents though there were civilizations present in these continents when they arrived) then there should have been Pyramids of some form in Europe.

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The pyramid form is the form you get when you stack a large bunch of stones, so that explains why pyramids are all over the earth.

Btw, Europe has a pyramid too; it's even in the photo you posted.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:19 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 03 May 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

If there were exchange of ideas/culture or even ancient Asians traveling to South America and Egypt etc, there would be some sort of traces, physical or documentary -records either in stone, or papyrus or books or references in ancient manuscripts etc or physical traces like pottery, beads, artifacts.

Of course, Absence of evidence is not final and proving that there has been no exchanges.
But Absence of evidence, till such evidence is found, will not support any such idea or notion of any exchange.
What about the various monuments, common cultural elements, availibility of means of crossing oceans. There maybe written records also, but they are not being interpreted in the right frame.

In evolutionary terms, when do you think humans reached south America and through what route?
Currently only the Northern corridor is being suggested via Green land and Vikings etc, the south east asia possibility is stronger in my opinion.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:24 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 03 May 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

The pyramid form is the form you get when you stack a large bunch of stones, so that explains why pyramids are all over the earth.

Btw, Europe has a pyramid too; it's even in the photo you posted.

That explanation seems rather simplistic, you even get skyscrapers shaped towers by stacking up bricks/stones, why did they choose pyramids? Almost all of them are associated with Sun worship, even if they stacked stones which naturally looked like pyramids then why did they attribute it to the Sun God?

Irrespective of the Sun god connection, the pyramids are difficult to dismiss as a coincidence, i don't think that all these cultures that were advance enough to construct such huge monumnets would be independently taking inspirations from a pile of stones.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 03 May 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

What about the various monuments, common cultural elements, availibility of means of crossing oceans. There maybe written records also, but they are not being interpreted in the right frame.

In evolutionary terms, when do you think humans reached south America and through what route?
Currently only the Northern corridor is being suggested via Green land and Vikings etc, the south east asia possibility is stronger in my opinion.

The pyramidal shape of ancient structures in South East Asia is purely based on influence of Indian extent into those areas.

Angkor Wat for one example is the influence of South Indian temple Architecture.So are many temples and religious structures of Indonesia.
As Abe stated, a Pyramid is what you get when you stack large stone blocks/stones on top of each other.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:30 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 03 May 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Woolly mammoths and other large beasts in North America may not have gone extinct as long ago as previously thought
The new view — that pockets of beasts survived to as recently as 7,600 years ago, rather than the previous end times mark of 12,000 years ago — is supported by DNA evidence found in a few pinches of dirt.

http://www.nbcnews.c...cience-science/


The ancestors of the Incas were hunters who came from Asia crossing the Bering Strait.

The Incas would have remembered the Elephants.
Or maybe they were not primitve Hunters that crossed the berring strait but a more civilized peoples. Who also kept their connections with Asia via trade and cultural exchange.





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