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#31    Mbyte

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:30 AM

What people really need to do when they see a possible "triangle" is take a picture with the shutter speed open longer. Any decent camera will be able to affect the shutter speed on the camera. The "click" sound as you take a picture is the shutter. If you tell the camera to leave it open for longer more light will hit the sensor making the resulting picture see more at night. Any light will be exagerated and in theory the trangle should stand out against the night sky. I doubt anyone will be doing this anytime soon though

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

View Postquillius, on 18 January 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

so saying the eye witness testimony sounds like a formation flight is not suggesting that this is what it could be? Anyhow why stick to testimony alone when you have the videos? clearly not a formation flight....
do you think the video looked like a formation?

Yes, it looked (and sounded) very much like a formation of lights. Saying that ET is involved is speculation, at best.


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nothing more? yes they are something...light generally has a source, no?

But why does it have to be ET? This one can be explained with other, more terrestrial means. Until something better is brought to the table Occams razor should be applied.


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I am not the one waiting around a forum for an alien corpse with full analysis on biological make up to be posted.....I think that we wont find that here as I am sure its hard to upload a physical body onto a forum.......anything less doesnt count as scientific proof, which is what you require, right?......so I am ok with what I am doing, I dont think I am wasting my time as I am realistic about what I may find here

Im glad you are happy with speculation and opinion on what some of these reported UFOs might represent,... because that is as far as you will ever get when it comes to this type of "evidence".

I find it amazing that this topic (lights in the sky) is  so frequently debated, especially when critically minded people have the opportunity to actually research what it could, and should, in theory, be (we have many things that can emit light that is made here on Earth, you know?)  Do that and you should be able to arrive at a reasonable conclusion. Not as exciting or exotic as ET star ship, I know, but at some point we have to raise the bar for what constitutes evidence,... Yes, even in this matter.

The fact is, no one is a relaible source in substantiation of the idea that aliens have been here, or are here. There is no empirical evidence available in support of the hypothesis, simply heresay and alot of supposition, assumption, unsubstantiated sightings, and on occassion downright falsification .

That fact of course does not discount the possibility. However, it most assuredly does not substantiate it as fact.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Yes, it looked (and sounded) very much like a formation of lights. Saying that ET is involved is speculation, at best.

so you think the lights in the video looked like a formation of lights now? yes I agree, but people shouldnt let the word 'formation' indicate airplanes flying in some sort of V shape, as the video does not show this.

Also you see how your phrasing is now 'formation of lights' as opposed to the original

Sound like aircraft flying in formation to me.
which is the post I originally responded to. A formation of lights I agree with as long as we dont assume a V shape as implied by the word formation, a formation of airplanes I dont.





View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:


But why does it have to be ET? This one can be explained with other, more terrestrial means. Until something better is brought to the table Occams razor should be applied.
why invoke ET? I never..... this is your doing.
Occams razor suggests airplanes does it...in your opinion?



View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:


Im glad you are happy with speculation and opinion on what some of these reported UFOs might represent,... because that is as far as you will ever get when it comes to this type of "evidence".
no not so much the speculation, I just like picking up the bits and pieces and forming a picture of what I think. And yes without scientific evidence it is just opinion, which is why I ask what more are you expecting from a forum....an uploaded alien corpse?

let me re-phrase, what could be presented on a forum to constitute conclusive evidence, for you to be convinced?

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:


I find it amazing that this topic (lights in the sky) is  so frequently debated, especially when critically minded people have the opportunity to actually research what it could, and should, in theory, be (we have many things that can emit light that is made here on Earth, you know?)  Do that and you should be able to arrive at a reasonable conclusion. Not as exciting or exotic as ET star ship, I know, but at some point we have to raise the bar for what constitutes evidence,... Yes, even in this matter.

again not sure of question here or its relevance and seems just another chance to invoke ET. The only question in the above I can find is that 'many things emit light here on earth'...yes of course this is obvious hence why I am unsure of point.

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:


The fact is, no one is a relaible source in substantiation of the idea that aliens have been here, or are here. There is no empirical evidence available in support of the hypothesis, simply heresay and alot of supposition, assumption, unsubstantiated sightings, and on occassion downright falsification .

ok yes, again not sure what this is addressing or the point, just another use of 'aliens' ???


View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:


That fact of course does not discount the possibility. However, it most assuredly does not substantiate it as fact.
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anyways back to topic, what do you think it is Hazz and why? :tu: :alien:


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:51 PM

at 2.15ish on the video it does look like a plane BTW.

having a dig into this now trying to find original videos or any further imagery etc


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

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*sigh*


Some people see and record/report this type of sighting. I see aircraft flying in formation,... some see a V-shaped craft, and some see a black triangle.

Also, If invoking ET/alien in your speculation scares you that much, may I ask -  What kind of "picture" do you make of the "bits and pieces" in this case?

Edited by Hazzard, 18 January 2013 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Posted Image


*sigh*
where is this picture from Hazz?

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Some people see and record/report this type of sighting. I see aircraft flying in formation,... some see a V-shaped craft, and some see a black triangle.

me, I see 5 lights




View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Also, If invoking ET/alien in your speculation scares you that much, may I ask -  What kind of "picture" do you make of the "bits and pieces" in this case?

scares me? that much? :gun:  not at all, I just dont see why we jump to ET.

so again for the record, I never suggested ET nor did I ever state invoking such scared me.

If I was to speculate then the first images could be distant plane with falling firework or flare from what looks like above the light(plane) but could be much closer to camera causing illusion. The images at around 2.15 I think looks like an airplane with lights on wings plus flashing light in centre.

Then lots of lights together not sure, could be planes, same with triangle of lights...could be planes.

I would like to know length of video? if more than one? and the times all were shot... etc etc


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

View Postquillius, on 18 January 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

at 2.15ish on the video it does look like a plane BTW.

having a dig into this now trying to find original videos or any further imagery etc
It looked nothing like a plane


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

View Postquillius, on 18 January 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

I just dont see why we jump to ET.

If I was to speculate then the first images could be distant plane with falling firework or flare from what looks like above the light(plane) but could be much closer to camera causing illusion. The images at around 2.15 I think looks like an airplane with lights on wings plus flashing light in centre.

Then lots of lights together not sure, could be planes, same with triangle of lights...could be planes.

I would like to know length of video? if more than one? and the times all were shot... etc etc


I get the strangest feeling of Déjà vu,... as if you and I have done this before. :unsure2:

Argue about something, but in the end it seems like we are on the same page after all.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

Argue about something, but in the end it seems like we are on the same page after all.
Hi, Hazzard.  Been a while!

In a away you both are on the same page, just on different sides of the fence.  Quillius is one of the very, very few Ufologists to actually look at a sighting or whatever and not automatically jump to ET.  Instead, he's more like "Oh, this is cool.  I wonder what it is," and really digs in to find answers.  Boony, Bade, Psyche and I all enjoy discussions with him for that reason if no other.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

Hey, kludge,... a while indeed. Hope everything is ok with you.

Yes, I keep forgetting how close to the fence (really close) (almost on it) quillius really is. I wish more of UFOology was like that.

I think that would help washing away some of the stigma attached to the subject matter.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

Hey, kludge,... a while indeed. Hope everything is ok with you.
Well, my psychonanny keeps letting me come home again so I guess that's good.  OTOH, she did up my med load which may be why she lets me come home again.  Noelle's doing as well as can be expected and the weather here is freakin' COLD ... well, cold for Hawaii. :P

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Yes, I keep forgetting how close to the fence (really close) (almost on it) quillius really is. I wish more of UFOology was like that.  I think that would help washing away some of the stigma attached to the subject matter.
Oh, yeah.  He's got as much use for the woo woo crowd as we do.  Maybe less, come to think of it.  Unfortunately there are more of them than there are of real researchers like Quillius and they tend to crowd out the honest work.

Quillius, come out and defend yourself, man! :D

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

I am not going to argue that it is aliens.   I think it is man made.  However I sure did see one up close and clearly.  I know what I saw and I believe it is only a matter of time before the skeptics in this forum see one for themselves.  And I can't wait to see you join the club of knowing the truth and what you will say then.   These are flying all over the place.  Watch the sky!    I can for absolute sure tell you the one I saw was a solid triangle.... Not a formation.   It was right above me and close.  I saw it and its lights.    Not just distant lights.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:38 PM

View PostKludge808, on 18 January 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

Well, my psychonanny keeps letting me come home again so I guess that's good.  OTOH, she did up my med load which may be why she lets me come home again.  Noelle's doing as well as can be expected and the weather here is freakin' COLD ... well, cold for Hawaii. :P

Oh quit whining,... Hawaii, freakin cold, my butt. You should try Sweden in January, now THAT is cold.



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Quillius, come out and defend yourself, man! :D

There it is,... thats just the thing, how it starts. Quillius jumps in somewhere flaiming shooting his mouth and then slowly backs out doing the "I never said it was ET" routine.

Wont fall for that one again. :D

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

View PostHazzard, on 18 January 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Oh quit whining,... Hawaii, freakin cold, my butt. You should try Sweden in January, now THAT is cold.

Well, it's cold for us!  Sweden in January wouldn't be "cold" it would be FREAKIN FREEZING :w00t:  for us hot blooded islanders!!

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:34 PM

View PostMega zombie, on 18 January 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

I am not going to argue that it is aliens.   I think it is man made.  However I sure did see one up close and clearly.  I know what I saw and I believe it is only a matter of time before the skeptics in this forum see one for themselves.  And I can't wait to see you join the club of knowing the truth and what you will say then.   These are flying all over the place.  Watch the sky! I can for absolute sure tell you the one I saw was a solid triangle.... Not a formation.   It was right above me and close.  I saw it and its lights. Not just distant lights.

i seen something very similar only the triangle came outta a meteor. the back two lights came got wider apart and it blocked out the stars behind it. im not the only person who seen it so i know it wasnt a hallucination or a LSD flachback. it was a life changing expierence, and i have seen some ****ed up **** in my life.  I have lived in a country with civil war and seen a gas refinery blow up and it had way less impact than seeing a star destroyer sized thing come out of a meteor.





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