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#136    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:20 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 28 November 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

And a woman, which i suspect is the real reason it took you five years to get out on the freeway on your moped. :whistle:

A 4 year old is not a woman..I favoured flying jumbos, and fighter jets for fun.. I was also preoccupied with writing songs for famous artists.. People like Sir Paul McCartney needed my help around that time.. I wrote the songs, they took the credit, but they gave me royalties.... I was head hunted by men of science to help them with new discoveries in medicine...  I barely had time as a child to hopscotch and jump rope..

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 28 November 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

If you believe something/anything, and obviously have rational strong reasons for any such belief, why wouldnt you want and hope your children would share them. Why encourage them to adopt less productive and beneficial beliefs than those which work for you?

The passing on of inner understandings from parent to child, along with learned skills and knolwedge, has been how humanity has progressed  until about the late 1800s when Britain  and others  developed a free universal education system for children..

If you dont pass on your beliefs, ethics, values, moralities etc to a child, someone else will pass on theirs. That's the nature of learned behaviours.

But your main contention to what you say here has to do with things like teaching a child it is wrong to steal, which in principle it is wrong to steal, that is universally accepted. That it is good to value family and bad to discriminate against certain people etc. All justified universal truths. These are which I am all for.

However, as far as religion goes, I believe that should remain a choice to the individual and solely them once they are capable of making such a decision.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

View PostOrcseeker, on 28 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

But your main contention to what you say here has to do with things like teaching a child it is wrong to steal, which in principle it is wrong to steal, that is universally accepted. That it is good to value family and bad to discriminate against certain people etc. All justified universal truths. These are which I am all for.

However, as far as religion goes, I believe that should remain a choice to the individual and solely them once they are capable of making such a decision.
I agree with you, but let's examine this closer.
There was a time when 'stealing' was surviving, men took other men's belongings, women, residences, countries, etc. Because it was best for 'their' tribe and its survival.

So we have morals & ethics that pertain time periods and we see that these standards change with cultural periods and such. In essence there are no universal ethical & moral standards . . . we make them up as we go along!

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 28 November 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

Its funny. I had read many thousands of books, including lady chatterly's lover (banned in australia for many years)  before i was an adult or even an older teen, but i had never read the bible.
But earlier you said you read all the books in the library, did you library not have the bible? :innocent:

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:28 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 November 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

A 4 year old is not a woman..I favoured flying jumbos, and fighter jets for fun.. I was also preoccupied with writing songs for famous artists.. People like Sir Paul McCartney needed my help around that time.. I wrote the songs, they took the credit, but they gave me royalties.... I was head hunted by men of science to help them with new discoveries in medicine...  I barely had time as a child to hopscotch and jump rope..
Now now, you say "jumbos"? I heard it was only one.
But on a serious note, I am surprised Mr Walker sir has not been headhunted to help the scientists, the labs could do with someone like him.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 28 November 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

But on a serious note, I am surprised Mr Walker sir has not been headhunted to help the scientists, the labs could do with someone like him.

Of course he is being head hunted by science.. They are usually looking something weird to experiment on ..There is nothing strange or unusual left at Area 51, so Mr Walker can donate his entire body and brain to science, and that will keep them going for 20 years or more  lol ...  Kidding.. :P

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 November 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Of course he is being head hunted by science.. They are usually looking something weird to experiment on ..There is nothing strange or unusual left at Area 51, so Mr Walker can donate his entire body and brain to science, and that will keep them going for 20 years or more  lol ...  Kidding.. :P
I do not think they will take him, I hear they do not take Christians.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 28 November 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

I do not think they will take him, I hear they do not take Christians.

Ack, I am sure they will make an exception for the chosen one..Messiah 2.0   :P

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 November 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Ack, I am sure they will make an exception for the chosen one..Messiah 2.0   :P
Thanks for that, I just spat half my coffee out with laughter, it neary went up my nose. LOL

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

Where is Mr Walker sir anyway? we will get detention for this when he gets back. :cry:

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:36 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 November 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

A 4 year old is not a woman..I favoured flying jumbos, and fighter jets for fun.. I was also preoccupied with writing songs for famous artists.. People like Sir Paul McCartney needed my help around that time.. I wrote the songs, they took the credit, but they gave me royalties.... I was head hunted by men of science to help them with new discoveries in medicine...  I barely had time as a child to hopscotch and jump rope..
A woman is a woman, and a wondrous  creature, from the moment of their conception.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:53 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 28 November 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

But earlier you said you read all the books in the library, did you library not have the bible? :innocent:

Good question.  I never read it,  and i cant honestly answer your question. I remember reading the encyclopedia britannica and dictionaries just for the fun of it. Perhaps i missed a book or two.

I should have said that I read all the books in the library which held any interest for me. I might also have missed a few on having a baby or similar, and flower arranging. I wasnt very interested in flower arranging as a child.

The small town public (institute) library  was one large room about 20 feet square, with a small room used for the childrens library about   8 foot by 6 foot. In the centre were reference book,s encyclopedias and the like, while all the other books were in book cases on the wall and around the room.  It was nealry 60 years ago but i remember the librarian sitting at her desk near the entrance door. They used a card system of loans that had to be recorded and filed by hand.. You had to pay a fee to be a member each year. When it became a govt subsidised library they sold off many of the old books for a few cents. I bought dozens of them.  And I still go to library sales. It amazes me, given the value of a new book, that hard back books are often given away, and soft covers are sold for a dollar or two, second hand.

I guess there were only about 10000 books in the total library. Later in life i accumulated a personal library with that many books.  Each of my siblings has about the same number, with library rooms in their houses. At present the oldest book I own is Tytler's 'History of scotland" from 1841.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:00 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 28 November 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Now now, you say "jumbos"? I heard it was only one.
But on a serious note, I am surprised Mr Walker sir has not been headhunted to help the scientists, the labs could do with someone like him.
Fortuanltely i live in a small country town  without a govt scientist in cooee. I keep my head down and stay off govt lists etc as much as a govt employee can do, I learnt the dangers of disclosure at a very early age when i was first brought to the notice of authorities.  Like lazurus Long i considered hiding my identity as it became necessary for the govt to know more and more about us all, but eventualy i decided i only had to  hide what I am, not who I am.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:15 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 29 November 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

A woman is a woman, and a wondrous  creature, from the moment of their conception.

A baby girl and toddler  is not a woman..  Not biologically

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:15 PM

I say we should never ever indoctrinate children into a faith EVER. Children should be able to grow up as free thinkers and discover the world for themselves without being told what to believe. Notice how when you're young you'll believe a LOT of bull****? Yeah, the same applies to any belief a pastor, sikkh, Rabbi or whatever the **** throws down your throat. It's an accepted fact that depending on where you live and more importantly who you live with; that you're religious 'beliefs' will be what they are because of these factors, your environment in other words. Is it simply a coincidence that most American children are Christian, or that most children from Afghanistan are Muslim? Surely it must be! Allah/Jesus was calling to them...Yeah right. They were indoctrinated, had it burnt into their minds with a hot rod, so much so that it toasted their brain cells and made a lot of them into reactionist, close minded individuals with hatred and contempt for Non-believers of their faith   -one only has to look at the persecution and outlawing of Atheists in both those countries or the idiotic blasphemy laws in the middle east, what year are we living in here, 800 BC?

I was educated in a catholic school, taught my prayers by my grandfather, had to pray every morning at the start of school and at lunch also, had to go to church on Sundays etc. A few years ago, I started getting really nasty thoughts about dead relatives and I remember the moment it hit me - I was about 14 at the time - the moment I was walking upstairs in school and thought "Oh ****, God can see my thoughts, I'm in trouble". I lost sleep and lived in fear for ages, believing that these thoughts were all my fault and that I was going to hell because of them. Now I realise I was just a scared child (The same thing happened to my sister too, only she was only like 7 or 8 and used to come into me at night crying because of it). who prayed and pleased with God to forgive me - and yes, I did pray when I was younger, don't know why, I just did, it was just a typical thing. Anyway, you can imagine it - a child of 14, crying himself to sleep at night, waking up wishing he had never been born, a feeling of horrible guilt and depression in a child who should have been enjoying the best years of his childhood - this went on until about last year maybe.

I never did feel a connection with a god, despite my praying and 'believing'. In reality, I was only praying to save my own ass, reassuring myself that I was forgiven but I never really did feel forgiven and the more I would hang onto it, the more guilty I became as even more Sins came to mind. I look back at the last four years of my life and realise that I could have done so much and regret missing out on so much - I've lost friends because of the effects of the worrying and guilt and keeping reclusive so much - they notice I was very "Emo" at school...and I felt it. Imagine waking up every morning and instantly wanting to cry...not anyone's idea of a 'happy childhood' is it?

It's interesting though now that I think about it - I was pleading with God from the Bible, Yahweh. Why was I not pleading with Allah? because he isn't who I was brought up to believe, it would be likewise for a child in Afghanistan when Yahweh is concerned. So you see, we only fear/pray to and 'love' the gods we are led to believe are watching us, how many Christians on here stop and think "Oh no, I may have upset Apollo today by not believing in him"...I bet none and that's because you're confident he isn't real, because you were not brought up with him!, just the way I was confident as a kid that Yahweh existed and that he was watching over my every 'sin' but really, it was more so fear than anything else that provoked my belief.

We believe what we are raised to believe because we are at a vulnerable time in out lives, we believe in an obese man flying around the world giving toys to people FFS. I never felt a love from a god in my life, despite all my prayers to the god I Was brought up to believe - Yahweh. In fact, I can never say that I was a strong believer at all, I ******* hated church, it sucked huge monkey nuts of epic proportions; I'd have rather been at home playing video games. Despite being brought up as a Catholic with school, communion and confirmation Yadayadaydada, my parents' never enforced the religion onto me, it's just common practice in Ireland, more so a traditional thing - My parents would have sent me to church on sunday's but only so they could have an hours peace from us.

Indoctrinating children is wrong and they should be aloud to explore the world and all of it's religions without having their feeble little minds warped by some **** parent who thinks that because they believe in a religion that their child has to. They can go F...UCK themselves. In fact, everyone who thinks they can spurt their religions around the place can go **** themselves as well, they should keep their religions to themselves.

Leave your kids out of it and let them grow as people, not puppets.

Yes, there may be a few curse words in there but **** it, I'll say whatever the **** I want to ******* say when something as special as my childhood is warped by the traditions and words of some ****s who teach children about such horrible things as hell and the fact that a big hairy guy is watching them while they sleep.

Religion is like a P...enis.
It's okay to have one.
It's okay to be proud of it.
But please, don't wave it around in front of me
and above all, don't try and shove it down me or my children's throats.

P.s, I have no hatred for the good, open minded and humble religious people, just those who think there belief is right and that they need to tell everyone about it.

Edited by Sean93, 29 November 2012 - 10:29 PM.

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