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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:16 AM

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Can someone explain to me why or what the connection is with people who are most passionate about their freedoms, their right to bear arms, on and on and on about not getting their guns taken away, are the first ones to be more than happy to demand freedoms  be taken away from others because they object to it based on their "belief in the bible"?  How hypocritical is it to demand and claim you are entitled to the freedoms that you want for yourself and you seem to understand that, but for someone else, their rights are not near as important?  And I'm surrounded by these people and more than fed up with them and to try to reason with them and they've got their bible, nothing else matters that you say, no amount of reasoning and I read something today and I think this is the core root of it:  "If you can reconcile all the direct kill orders God gives in the bible with 'Thou shalt not kill', you can rationalize anything."  And it's true, to be on board with that belief, you absolutely have this sort of cognitive dissonance ingrained within you or it would crumble and there's just no hope in trying to reason with a person who holds on to that so dearly.  I used to defend people who believe in it, live and let live, everyone has their right to their religious beliefs, but these people I'm taking up for are the same people who are so quick to rip away rights from other's that I care about, and it's not the other way around, but they play victim and say don't stereotype me for my beliefs, but what you can't get through their thick heads are their beliefs are fine for THEM, they have no business saying their beliefs in a very questionable book has any bearing on anyone else, but THEM, the person who freely chooses to follow and gamble on that book being truly of God.  I'm done with it though, I'm convinced the book and the belief is toxic and the cognitive dissonance required to follow along with it warps people minds and maybe some good has been a result, but I think people are capable of that regardless and when it comes down to it, I think the world would be better off without it, period.  I'm convinced of it now.  I think trying to reconcile things like God saying kill, kill, kill and then thou shalt not kill has poisoned people's mind at a very fundamental level until they can justify anything when they have convinced themselves God is behind them.  I'm done, when you start using your freedoms to rob other's of their's, I hope your's is the one that goes away and yes, I'm mad, forgive me for the rant.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:21 AM

I was watching this show on the History channel one day.  They said the original text the bible was translated from doesn't say's 'thou shall not kill' that it say 'thou shall not murder.'  Difference there but try to tell someone that and they will cut you to pieces.  Another thing this King James version that a lot of Christians follow is exactly that King James of England's version.  He purposely left some out.  Made the people easier to control from what I have been told.

Most of the bible was written well after the fact by men.  That is another problem I have with it.  Is it correct or added to for effect.

Don't get me wrong Christians I'm not saying there is no god but more how right is the bible.  I know all religions can't be right but yet they all think they are.

EDIT: Used wrong word.

Edited by Hilander, 05 April 2013 - 01:22 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:46 AM

View PostChloeB, on 05 April 2013 - 12:16 AM, said:

Can someone explain to me why or what the connection is with people who are most passionate about their freedoms, their right to bear arms, on and on and on about not getting their guns taken away, are the first ones to be more than happy to demand freedoms  be taken away from others because they object to it based on their "belief in the bible"?  How hypocritical is it to demand and claim you are entitled to the freedoms that you want for yourself and you seem to understand that, but for someone else, their rights are not near as important?  And I'm surrounded by these people and more than fed up with them and to try to reason with them and they've got their bible, nothing else matters that you say, no amount of reasoning and I read something today and I think this is the core root of it:  "If you can reconcile all the direct kill orders God gives in the bible with 'Thou shalt not kill', you can rationalize anything."  And it's true, to be on board with that belief, you absolutely have this sort of cognitive dissonance ingrained within you or it would crumble and there's just no hope in trying to reason with a person who holds on to that so dearly.  I used to defend people who believe in it, live and let live, everyone has their right to their religious beliefs, but these people I'm taking up for are the same people who are so quick to rip away rights from other's that I care about, and it's not the other way around, but they play victim and say don't stereotype me for my beliefs, but what you can't get through their thick heads are their beliefs are fine for THEM, they have no business saying their beliefs in a very questionable book has any bearing on anyone else, but THEM, the person who freely chooses to follow and gamble on that book being truly of God.  I'm done with it though, I'm convinced the book and the belief is toxic and the cognitive dissonance required to follow along with it warps people minds and maybe some good has been a result, but I think people are capable of that regardless and when it comes down to it, I think the world would be better off without it, period.  I'm convinced of it now.  I think trying to reconcile things like God saying kill, kill, kill and then thou shalt not kill has poisoned people's mind at a very fundamental level until they can justify anything when they have convinced themselves God is behind them.  I'm done, when you start using your freedoms to rob other's of their's, I hope your's is the one that goes away and yes, I'm mad, forgive me for the rant.
Strange timing ... I just used the term in a completely unrelated topic. But I have to agree. Im a libertarian at heart with some conservative leanings  ( mostly economics), but the Christian right is scary. A world super power consumed by an apocalyptic cult is scary indeed!!!!!!!

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:57 AM

View PostHilander, on 05 April 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

I was watching this show on the History channel one day.  They said the original text the bible was translated from doesn't say's 'thou shall not kill' that it say 'thou shall not murder.'  Difference there but try to tell someone that and they will cut you to pieces.  Another thing this King James version that a lot of Christians follow is exactly that King James of England's version.  He purposely left some out.  Made the people easier to control from what I have been told.

Most of the bible was written well after the fact by men.  That is another problem I have with it.  Is it correct or added to for effect.

Don't get me wrong Christians I'm not saying there is no god but more how right is the bible.  I know all religions can't be right but yet they all think they are.

EDIT: Used wrong word.

Right, exactly, not about if God exists, but it is up to the person to put their FAITH in that book and faith is the words they use even, which is kind of like trusting something without proof, but they sure use it like it was hard cold facts to demand people are not allowed to do certain things and want secular law to reinforce their FAITH.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 05 April 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

Strange timing ... I just used the term in a completely unrelated topic. But I have to agree. Im a libertarian at heart with some conservative leanings  ( mostly economics), but the Christian right is scary. A world super power consumed by an apocalyptic cult is scary indeed!!!!!!!

Me too, I think libertarian most describes me, but someone said something the other day, which makes so much sense to me about your republican, conservatives, who supposedly want small government, wouldn't a truly conservative political philosophy not have any interest in gay marriage?  They want small government until, oh holy hell, something contradicts the bible, them by god, they want the government to be all over the damn place to prevent things they believe God wouldn't like.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:41 AM

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Me too, I think libertarian most describes me, but someone said something the other day, which makes so much sense to me about your republican, conservatives, who supposedly want small government, wouldn't a truly conservative political philosophy not have any interest in gay marriage?  They want small government until, oh holy hell, something contradicts the bible, them by god, they want the government to be all over the damn place to prevent things they believe God wouldn't like.
You are correct. The left and the right want government to do differnnt things. But just as restrictive. The live and let live policy is the best. The only reason im right leaning in economics is because that's what I went to school for, and it's funny... the right dosnt have a clue about real economics they are indoctrinated into a system also. The left is less so, but they still are also, but this is why people should make decisions based off of their own critical thinking and not gurus or political leaders. Sheapals are left or right. The rest of us are intelligent human brings. Unfortunately we are just out numbered because we occupy a very narrow space on the bell curve.

Edited by Seeker79, 05 April 2013 - 02:42 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:59 AM

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You are correct. The left and the right want government to do differnnt things. But just as restrictive. The live and let live policy is the best. The only reason im right leaning in economics is because that's what I went to school for, and it's funny... the right dosnt have a clue about real economics they are indoctrinated into a system also. The left is less so, but they still are also, but this is why people should make decisions based off of their own critical thinking and not gurus or political leaders. Sheapals are left or right. The rest of us are intelligent human brings. Unfortunately we are just out numbered because we occupy a very narrow space on the bell curve.

Economics, I really have no idea what I'm talking about at all, but I do know where I live in Texas, it's republican land and the left's idea to fix things is tax the rich, which seems okay when you think about it, they've got more, BUT they offer more tax incentives and tax breaks and guess where business went and jobs went and what state wasn't hit economically so bad, right here, Texas.  I saw license plates from everywhere so I'm kinda with you there from what I know and see and just observe.  Myself, I want people, all people to have the most freedoms possible without harming anyone else.  I want people to keep their guns, have guns, I don't have them, but I want you to be able to, but I also see no reason my gay friends can't be married and for them to receive the same respect and rights.  They say there is some harm if they legalize it, which is some imaginary threat to the traditional family, well I tell them I can't wait to see them blasting all over the place in their campaign to ban divorce, pegged as bad in their bible and a FAR BIGGER threat to their precious traditional family.  They zombie out at the point and that's where I'm saying their brains are warped.  They just cannot see how hypocritical and unfair it is.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:18 AM

FYI, the command in the Bible is "you shall not commit murder".  It is not "you shall not kill".  Murder is the unlawful taking of someone else's life.  If God commands the death of a person in the Bible because of their crimes against Israel or God, that is lawful, and therefore not murder.  Sorry, no cognitive dissonance here.

With that said, many American Christians (particularly from the South, which from what I understand is prime Texan real estate) are a lot stricter than many other groups in America, and definitely stricter than many of us outside the United States.  I suspect a Southern Baptist who came to Australia would call all of us Christians "godless" because we don't have the legal Right to own a gun.

Despite your rant, Chloe, I think you are stereotyping Christians.  Unfortunately this is perhaps because you are in the heart of Bible-Belt territory and your experience of Christians is necessarily limited to that type of Christianity which is quite a lot more rabid than Christianity elsewhere (not that individuals or churches may not be equally rabid, but the concentration of extreme fundamentalist views appears greater in your part of the world than elsewhere).  So please keep your stereotypes outside your judgement of my (and other people's) Christian beliefs.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:05 AM

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Economics, I really have no idea what I'm talking about at all, but I do know where I live in Texas, it's republican land and the left's idea to fix things is tax the rich, which seems okay when you think about it, they've got more, BUT they offer more tax incentives and tax breaks and guess where business went and jobs went and what state wasn't hit economically so bad, right here, Texas.  I saw license plates from everywhere so I'm kinda with you there from what I know and see and just observe.  Myself, I want people, all people to have the most freedoms possible without harming anyone else.  I want people to keep their guns, have guns, I don't have them, but I want you to be able to, but I also see no reason my gay friends can't be married and for them to receive the same respect and rights.  They say there is some harm if they legalize it, which is some imaginary threat to the traditional family, well I tell them I can't wait to see them blasting all over the place in their campaign to ban divorce, pegged as bad in their bible and a FAR BIGGER threat to their precious traditional family.  They zombie out at the point and that's where I'm saying their brains are warped.  They just cannot see how hypocritical and unfair it is.
Chloe.... I own a small business in Cali.... I want desperately to move to Texas.  Unfortunately my roots and clientele are here.. My wife's company has a campus in Texas and my best friend from high school runs a hosptital there..,, if I can ever convince her to let me be a stay at home dad ( which I'm practicaly already ) I will go. Im only 34 but I do not have the energy to build  a dozen years of reputation and clientele again. But I almost feel that Texas is seperating itself along the lines of the constitution away from
The bs that goes on here and everywhere else. Im jealous.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:21 AM

Howdy, Chloe

It was a good rant :) . And a very nice libertarian credo, as well.

For cognitive dissonance to operate, there has to be a contradiction, or at least a paradox, to manage without actually combing it out. It's very tricky to diagnose somebody else's paradox.

From a libertarian perspective, the right to bear arms and the right for same-sex marriage probably "come from the same place" or reflect the same kind of preference about how things should be. When minding their own business, people don't need anybody else's permission (or some such formulation, libertarians don't even agree on that).

Not quite so for trads. They, too, have their vision about how things should be: one man living with one woman, sharing one gun cabinet, paying a ten percent flat tax. God said.

And if God said, then there is no contradiction, and if there is no contradiction, then there is no dissonance. In fact, religious trads probably wonder how the libertarians, many of whom can scarcely see what the issue is supposed to be in opposing same-sex marriage, mange their cognitive dissonance. After all, if there is no "God said," then all morality is relative, and how dare you think you have rights if God didn't say that you did?

Getting into somebody else's head can be scary sometimes - especially if they're armed :).

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:02 PM

You know it's funny. I teach martial arts. There is a very long history of governments takeing away weapons from its people, and not once has it ever worked out. Infact many martial arts weapons that we practice with today were actually farm implements or simple tools. The Nunchaku was used for dehusking rice. All people from every corner of the earth have kept the weapon of the day in their homes. It's as natural and healthy as haveing a stove. When a government attempts to disarm its public, tyranny is not far behind. This is a historical fact. When you look at the amount of people that die from car accidents, pharmacuticls, cancer, and heart disease then the factors leading up to them, one must shake their head at the gun debate and ask why!?!?! You are in more danger driving to the grocery store than you are from crazys with guns, yet the sheapal effect has no bounds.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:43 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 05 April 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

FYI, the command in the Bible is "you shall not commit murder".  It is not "you shall not kill".  Murder is the unlawful taking of someone else's life.  If God commands the death of a person in the Bible because of their crimes against Israel or God, that is lawful, and therefore not murder.  Sorry, no cognitive dissonance here.

With that said, many American Christians (particularly from the South, which from what I understand is prime Texan real estate) are a lot stricter than many other groups in America, and definitely stricter than many of us outside the United States.  I suspect a Southern Baptist who came to Australia would call all of us Christians "godless" because we don't have the legal Right to own a gun.

Despite your rant, Chloe, I think you are stereotyping Christians.  Unfortunately this is perhaps because you are in the heart of Bible-Belt territory and your experience of Christians is necessarily limited to that type of Christianity which is quite a lot more rabid than Christianity elsewhere (not that individuals or churches may not be equally rabid, but the concentration of extreme fundamentalist views appears greater in your part of the world than elsewhere).  So please keep your stereotypes outside your judgement of my (and other people's) Christian beliefs.

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Well I was very mad, PA, this is just all people are on about lately here, guns and gay marriage.  And you are the only Christian I have EVER heard say they don't believe in it, but they don't think it should be illegal, that you get the separation of church and state.  They don't freakin' care, it's God's law and screw what our country was founded on.  My assessment is pretty spot on for my area though, sorry I can't speak for the world, but even the really laid back, don't believe hell is an actual place, wear shorts to church preachers are running their mouths about how they wished Obama had spoken to them before he endorsed it because the Bible clearly says it's wrong, marriage is between a man and a woman.  And I'm like SO WHAT!?  Your bible is NOT the governing document for our country, it's separate and yes, enjoy your tax-free status while you want to be an advisor to Obama.  I don't know if they'd call you godless for not owning a gun, they don't hide behind their bible for that one.  So yes, you're better, but you and I've argued this all day back and forth, but I'm all for you believing what you want and your right to it, BUT, BUT, and this is what they don't get, it is a 2-way street, freedom of religion, right to bear arms, other people should get their rights and freedoms as well, EVEN if they don't agree with youir religious beliefs.  You are free to practice those beliefs because we have a country that allows for that, a great thing, so share it and compromise or it doesn't work.  Not one side can always have their way, EVEN if they've convinced themselves they have God on their side and makes them somehow more important and superior, that's their FAITH, which is absolutely ridiculous to use to justify any kind of enforcement of law on people who don't share it.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 05 April 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Despite your rant, Chloe, I think you are stereotyping Christians.  Unfortunately this is perhaps because you are in the heart of Bible-Belt territory and your experience of Christians is necessarily limited to that type of Christianity which is quite a lot more rabid than Christianity elsewhere (not that individuals or churches may not be equally rabid, but the concentration of extreme fundamentalist views appears greater in your part of the world than elsewhere).  So please keep your stereotypes outside your judgement of my (and other people's) Christian beliefs.

I think it's possible to read her rant as being restricted only to the specific Christians who exhibit the behaviors she is criticizing and not all Christians, especially given the leeway that comes with she herself terming her post a 'rant'.  You are correct concerning cognitive dissonance though; 'cognitive dissonance' I believe is actually a psychological disorder to some extent but it requires that the people who possess this dissonance actually experience some type of discomfort from the dissonance.  Using this meaning of the term, it's usually not correct to say someone else has cognitive dissonance, they themselves need to.  I think the more appropriate terms for what Chloe is discussing above is something more along the lines of 'contradictory' or 'hypocritical'.

To me this boils down to something that comes up a lot but I don't think has a simplistic answer:  how much blame does a specific belief system deserve when it is questionable whether the corresponding believers are actually correctly adhering to that belief.  Let me use gay marriage as an example, and the opposition by Christians to it.  I am of the opinion that there simply is no call or command by Jesus anywhere in the Bible to make sin illegal or to use the mechanisms of the state to prevent people from sinning.  If anything, I thought Jesus provided the opposite message (render unto Caesar...).  So to me it is incorrect for Christians to say they object to the legality of gay marriage or fornication or whatever on Christian grounds.  But unfortunately contrary to that I also believe that at some point 'Christianity' is what Christians believe it is regardless of what it says in the Bible so it's difficult to untangle the two.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

View Posteight bits, on 05 April 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

Howdy, Chloe

It was a good rant :) . And a very nice libertarian credo, as well.

For cognitive dissonance to operate, there has to be a contradiction, or at least a paradox, to manage without actually combing it out. It's very tricky to diagnose somebody else's paradox.

From a libertarian perspective, the right to bear arms and the right for same-sex marriage probably "come from the same place" or reflect the same kind of preference about how things should be. When minding their own business, people don't need anybody else's permission (or some such formulation, libertarians don't even agree on that).

Not quite so for trads. They, too, have their vision about how things should be: one man living with one woman, sharing one gun cabinet, paying a ten percent flat tax. God said.

And if God said, then there is no contradiction, and if there is no contradiction, then there is no dissonance. In fact, religious trads probably wonder how the libertarians, many of whom can scarcely see what the issue is supposed to be in opposing same-sex marriage, mange their cognitive dissonance. After all, if there is no "God said," then all morality is relative, and how dare you think you have rights if God didn't say that you did?

Getting into somebody else's head can be scary sometimes - especially if they're armed :).

Thanks, Eighty.  I needed to vent so I know I didn't make a lot of sense.  But this is it:  "libertarians, many of whom can scarcely see what the issue is supposed to be in opposing same-sex marriage" that is me every day here, thinking and trying to figure out why on earth they are so invested and concerned in an issue that absolutely hs no effect on them and they make up all kinds of stuff why, all bogus, but they can pull the "I believe in the Bible and I'm a Christian card" every time and they think that's it, end of story.   And I'm telling you, these people, I know them, and when it comes to gay marriage, it's like people becoming Irish on St. Patrick's Day, EVERBODY is suddenly one.  I see them saying they don't support it because they're Christian and believe in the bible and they haven't opened a bible or stepped foot in a church in years!  Many of them, this is the first time I've even seen them mention God or the bible and I think they maybe do it because they are just prejudice and they don't want to say it, they don't like gay people and want the law to make the world just how they like, but admitting their that selfish and trying to explain it rationally is a dead-end, so instead, suddenly they are a bible-loving Christian.  For me, it's like 2 kids on a playground.......now little Johnny you get to keep your gun and Billy gets to marry his boyfriend, fair is fair, RIGHT?  Apparently not.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 05 April 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

Chloe.... I own a small business in Cali.... I want desperately to move to Texas.  Unfortunately my roots and clientele are here.. My wife's company has a campus in Texas and my best friend from high school runs a hosptital there..,, if I can ever convince her to let me be a stay at home dad ( which I'm practicaly already ) I will go. Im only 34 but I do not have the energy to build  a dozen years of reputation and clientele again. But I almost feel that Texas is seperating itself along the lines of the constitution away from
The bs that goes on here and everywhere else. Im jealous.

I've been hearing that more and more from people in your area.  Well my family's been here for generations, and I love it, it's home, though some of these people make me insane, haha.  But it will always be part of me and my heart.  When we go to other states, we will say, "we're from Texas, watch out!" Hahaha, and you get some sort of weird respect.  Maybe they think I'm gonnna shoot 'em?  :P

View PostSeeker79, on 05 April 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

You know it's funny. I teach martial arts. There is a very long history of governments takeing away weapons from its people, and not once has it ever worked out. Infact many martial arts weapons that we practice with today were actually farm implements or simple tools. The Nunchaku was used for dehusking rice. All people from every corner of the earth have kept the weapon of the day in their homes. It's as natural and healthy as haveing a stove. When a government attempts to disarm its public, tyranny is not far behind. This is a historical fact. When you look at the amount of people that die from car accidents, pharmacuticls, cancer, and heart disease then the factors leading up to them, one must shake their head at the gun debate and ask why!?!?! You are in more danger driving to the grocery store than you are from crazys with guns, yet the sheapal effect has no bounds.

Yep, absolutely.  I could care less about owning a gun, but I am very, VERY uncomfortable with a government taking them away and what could follow, just as you said.  I don't think taking them away from people are going to keep them out of the hands of crazy people who really want them.  I really don't know what to do about the situation of these mass shootings, but on the topic of Texas, check these out:

http://www.star-tele...-headed.html  I think I'm for this, it sucks that it's came to this, but at least it's a step in protecting themselves and students.

This was another theater shooting and here in Texas, which you heard hardly anything about, but this time, someone armed saved lives, weird how this was so quiet.  Why?  http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/sanantonio.asp

“You've gotta dance like there's nobody watching,
Love like you'll never be hurt,
Sing like there's nobody listening,
And live like it's heaven on earth.”
― William W. Purkey




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