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#46    OverSword

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:34 PM

View PostMichelle, on 09 April 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Why would that matter? Do you think people don't have guns in California even with their strict gun laws? Or are the peopla in Texas supposed to be more gun happy?
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:35 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 09 April 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Of course people have guns in Cali just not like Texas.  I'm just suprised there was no one around who happend to carry that day.

It always surprises me, considering how gun happy people think we all are.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

View PostMichelle, on 09 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

It always surprises me, considering how gun happy people think we all are.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM

View PostOverSword, on 09 April 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

What's up Wyrdlight, no response?  I'm waiting for you to tell me how bloodthirsty America is compared to the rest of the world.  Well?

Well, as suprising as it may seem to some, I dont spend every moment of the day sat at the pc waiting for people to comment on my comments. So if you would be so kind as to forgive my lack of an instant response. Sarcasm/off


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62 Mass shootings since 1982, those of the larger scale.  In the USA

Compared to the UK which has.... the Cumbria shooting.... Dunblain.... and a handful fo others, I cant find any data but I doubt its more than 3-5 at the max.

A pretty big differance, I would be willing to bet if you combined the UK, France and Germany in the same time period the USA would still rank far higher.

Deaths in USA due to homicide, most recent year. - 14,748

Homicide Deaths in some EU nations/Canada/Australia for the same year.
UK - 722
France - 682
Germany - 690
Spain - 390
Norway - 29
Italy - 529
Canada - 554
Australia - 229

Total - 3,825

Stats from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime - 2012

So.... thats most of western europe, canada and aus combined = less than a third of the number of homicides than the USA has alone.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:


So.... thats most of western europe, canada and aus combined = less than a third of the number of homicides than the USA has alone.
yea, we shoot ppl that brake into our houses, Europeans, bend over, and try not to p*** the robbers off.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

Well, as suprising as it may seem to some, I dont spend every moment of the day sat at the pc waiting for people to comment on my comments. So if you would be so kind as to forgive my lack of an instant response. Sarcasm/off


http://www.motherjon...jones-full-data

62 Mass shootings since 1982, those of the larger scale.  In the USA

Compared to the UK which has.... the Cumbria shooting.... Dunblain.... and a handful fo others, I cant find any data but I doubt its more than 3-5 at the max.

A pretty big differance, I would be willing to bet if you combined the UK, France and Germany in the same time period the USA would still rank far higher.

Deaths in USA due to homicide, most recent year. - 14,748

Homicide Deaths in some EU nations/Canada/Australia for the same year.
UK - 722
France - 682
Germany - 690
Spain - 390
Norway - 29
Italy - 529
Canada - 554
Australia - 229

Total - 3,825

Stats from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime - 2012

So.... thats most of western europe, canada and aus combined = less than a third of the number of homicides than the USA has alone.

Running drugs from SA and Mexico northward goes hand in hand with gun crime and homocide. It is a huge problem.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

I live less than 4 miles from this college. We heard all the sirens, but just saw what happened. It is a very nice area. I was thinking of taking some classes there. This is incident #2 at that college (another campus though).

Younger people, as in these students, are probably less likely to be carrying a concealed weapon, even in Texas. You have to take a class and pass a test (including shooting) to carry.  We don't hand out concealed permits at the corner gas station.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 09 April 2013 - 11:42 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

Since nobody could answer silverthongs question, I will. Campus rules, not Texas rules.

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STUDENT HAMMERS NO-GUNS-ON-CAMPUS POLICY ON LIVE TV AFTER COLLEGE STABBINGS

And here's something similar from Rhode Island.


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UPROAR AFTER CAMPUS POLICE RESPOND TO GUNMAN SCARE WITH PEPPER SPRAY & BATONS BECAUSE OF STATE GUN LAW
University of Rhode Island (URI) police responded to a call of a gunman on campus last week with pepper spray and batons, Major Stephen Baker of the URI Police Department and Community Relations Programming Officer Mark Chearino told Campus Reform.  And that’s causing alarm on a state and national level.

Deputized campus police officers in Rhode Island are apparently prohibited from carrying firearms on public campuses, in accordance with rules handed down by the Rhode Island Board of Governors for Higher Education.

State police officers– who are allowed to be armed on campus– were still arriving roughly twenty minutes after the first call for help went out, reports add.  Thankfully no shooter was found and no one was injured, but the situation “shouldn’t give any student at the university, or residents in the surrounding community, peace of mind,” PolicyMic writes.

State Representative Joe Almeida, a retired police officer, is pushing a bill that would allow campus police officers who complete a firearms training course at the state’s municipal police academy to carry weapons on duty, according to WPRI-12 News.

He told the station: “Because of what happened at URI, what happened in Connecticut, what’s happening in California, all across the country…something needs to be done.  Do we wait for somebody to be hurt in Rhode Island or do we move now?”


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:44 PM

There are a lot of places in public you can't carry a gun even with a concealed permit!!!! EVEN in Texas!!!

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:02 AM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 09 April 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

There are a lot of places in public you can't carry a gun even with a concealed permit!!!! EVEN in Texas!!!

To Mr Fess as well.  So it seems slack gun laws don`t stop mass shootings let alone tight gun laws. Maybe your all right we should all have guns to stop people with knives and hammers and broomsticks. This school saw 3 people shot what, 2 yrs ago and now this. So not to push buttons but what gun laws do americians want to stop guys with knives let alone guns.  To me it seems the only winner is the law to have better back ground checks as what happened today will have those screaming it was not the knife but the person. There is no winner either way. Except that a gun could have killed everyone touched by a knife today.

Edited by The Silver Thong, 10 April 2013 - 02:03 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:05 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 10 April 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

To Mr Fess as well.  So it seems slack gun laws don`t stop mass shootings let alone tight gun laws. Maybe your all right we should all have guns to stop people with knives and hammers and broomsticks. This school saw 3 people shot what, 2 yrs ago and now this. So not to push buttons but what gun laws do americians want to stop guys with knives let alone guns.  To me it seems the only winner is the law to have better back ground checks as what happened today will have those screaming it was not the knife but the person. There is no winner either way. Except that a gun could have killed everyone touched by a knife today.

I never said anywhere we should all have guns. I'm glad we all don't!
What good is a background check for a kid who takes his parent's guns or a neighbor's guns or someone with a record  who steals guns?
What good is a mental health background check when they can't access private mental health records?
And if you could what criteria would you use? Someone on medication? Someone who used to take medication? Someone diagnosed with this but not that?

As far as how to protect from these massacres? First of all, they are in the news, but not around every corner, so the chances of you needing to defend against a mass murderer are pretty darn slim.
Someone entering your home or place of business to rob or harm or kill you is far more likely.
I believe Americans should have the right to hunt or shoot for fun and protect themselves.

How about enforcing the laws we do have? Keeping the violent behind bars!
Making mental health more accessible and affordable (covered by this insurance we ALL have to carry now).
We may need to be more vigilant on the proactive side rather than the defensive side to curb our violence issues.

I am not against some form of gun control. I just haven't decided what that looks like yet to make any difference.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 10 April 2013 - 03:06 AM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 09 April 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

So your comparing (in order).

A  young, developing oil-state rife with corruption, a semi-functioning nation in the middle of a sustained war, a semi-state that has existed in a state of non-stop warfare and terroriest attacks for decades, a state currently overun with drug-cartel related crime to such a degree its virtually at war, several dictatorships/failed states rife with corruption, inequality and riven by social and ethnic/religious upheaval and violence.

To a stable democracy with a functioning economy, massive military power and a place at the forefront of the global economic and politcal stage?

Come again?
What you fail to see is that when someone decides to kill, it doesn't matter what the economic state of their nation is.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:46 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 09 April 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

They're quite rightly banned over here. But the point is that a knife has a practical purpose, like a shovel or a hammer. A gun, however, is designed specifically to kill people (and other things). And it is FAR easier for an unarmed man to take out a guy with a knife, rather than one with a gun.
A gun isnít practical?  A gun is great as a deterrent.  A gun is used best when you donít have to shoot it.  A gun is not designed to kill but to shoot a projectile.  Itís the use that Man puts to it.  This is the case with anything man made.  Whatever something was designed for, Man can find a way to use it to kill with.  In China, the original firearms were not meant to kill your opponent but to chase them off a spot (a line or a wall, etc).  It is far easier for an armed man to take out a guy with a knife without having to come within arms reach.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 09 April 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

Well, as suprising as it may seem to some, I dont spend every moment of the day sat at the pc waiting for people to comment on my comments. So if you would be so kind as to forgive my lack of an instant response. Sarcasm/off


http://www.motherjon...jones-full-data

62 Mass shootings since 1982, those of the larger scale.  In the USA

Compared to the UK which has.... the Cumbria shooting.... Dunblain.... and a handful fo others, I cant find any data but I doubt its more than 3-5 at the max.

A pretty big differance, I would be willing to bet if you combined the UK, France and Germany in the same time period the USA would still rank far higher.

Deaths in USA due to homicide, most recent year. - 14,748

Homicide Deaths in some EU nations/Canada/Australia for the same year.
UK - 722
France - 682
Germany - 690
Spain - 390
Norway - 29
Italy - 529
Canada - 554
Australia - 229

Total - 3,825

Stats from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime - 2012

So.... thats most of western europe, canada and aus combined = less than a third of the number of homicides than the USA has alone.
And yet here again you are comparing the homocide rates of 8 small to medium sized countries each the equivilent to one or two states in the USA to 50 states. I'm not sure how the populations of the European nations compare to a large state but do know that Canada has less people than California and Australia less than that, so again you're comparing apples to oranges.

Maybe you should give us a visit, then go to France or Italy and report back in which nation you get your luggage or wallet stolen if you think it's bad here.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

A student who told police he'd fantasized since elementary school about stabbing people to death was charged Tuesday with carrying out a building-to-building attack at a Texas community college that wounded at least 14 people, many of whom were stabbed in the face and neck, authorities said.

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