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#406    F3SS

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:35 AM

View PostTiggs, on 06 September 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Then don't ask a question.
There you go not recognizing context again. Context, syntax are easy concepts. Thought you were a genius.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:44 AM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

How many Directors in diapers do you know, exactly?
I'm not getting the Reference. ??

Your own post just said what I was trying to point out, that Obama's speech, in these couple lines were badly delivered (Or written). The fact they are said by many to be badly written/spoken leads directly to the assumption that it offends people, otherwise it would not be badly written/spoken. Those people being offended are American businesses. It seems really clear to me.

I'm not arguing that Romney or any republican is using the quote correctly. I'm saying that the quote taken as is has an offensive feel to it regardless of its context. The fact that Obama meant to say something about how business is aided by government and that government has been doing so for as long as the US has been around, does not excuse that he said something offensive.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:29 AM

View PostIs it for real, on 07 September 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

There you go not recognizing context again. Context, syntax are easy concepts. Thought you were a genius.

My context recognition is perfectly fine, thanks. Yours - obviously not so much.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:40 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 07 September 2012 - 02:44 AM, said:

I'm not getting the Reference. ??

People don't spend their entire life's building businesses. They have this whole childhood thing that comes first, normally.


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Your own post just said what I was trying to point out, that Obama's speech, in these couple lines were badly delivered (Or written). The fact they are said by many to be badly written/spoken leads directly to the assumption that it offends people, otherwise it would not be badly written/spoken. Those people being offended are American businesses. It seems really clear to me.

The only people that are offended are those that watch the Conservative Media and who have been told that it's offensive. You think that the people who were actually present for that speech were offended? The only reason that anyone even heard about it was because Fox News decided to pick it up, quote mine it and run the clip out of context to deliberately make Obama look bad.


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I'm not arguing that Romney or any republican is using the quote correctly. I'm saying that the quote taken as is has an offensive feel to it regardless of its context. The fact that Obama meant to say something about how business is aided by government and that government has been doing so for as long as the US has been around, does not excuse that he said something offensive.

He said something that when taken entirely out of context could be seen as being offensive. Otherwise, there are several videos of Romney and other politicians the world over saying pretty much exactly the same thing.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:15 AM

I think anyone that read the word for word quote would have done a double take at that point. And had to go back and read the context again.

The fact that many neutral sources say it was poorly worded doesn't mean anything to you? Why would it be "poorly worded" unless there was a problem with it? Why would WH staffers and members of the DNC respond quickly to appologize and/or restate what was meant?

The simplest answer is because it was offensive to some in the Public. The reason Fox picked it up and is still running with it, is because it is actually offensive. Within context and without context.

I don't know who was in attendance at that speech, it could have been entirely government workers and union employees for all I know.

Edited by DieChecker, 07 September 2012 - 04:17 AM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:29 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 07 September 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

I think anyone that read the word for word quote would have done a double take at that point. And had to go back and read the context again.

But it wasn't written, Die. It was a speech made off the cuff without a teleprompter.


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The fact that many neutral sources say it was poorly worded doesn't mean anything to you? Why would it be "poorly worded" unless there was a problem with it? Why would WH staffers and members of the DNC respond quickly to appologize and/or restate what was meant?

The simplest answer is because it was offensive to some in the Public. The reason Fox picked it up and is still running with it, is because it is actually offensive. Within context and without context.

The simplest answer is because it had been quote mined out of context. Outside of the context of the entire speech it is offensive. Within the context of the speech - not at all.


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I don't know who was in attendance at that speech, it could have been entirely government workers and union employees for all I know.

Campaign Rally stop with 2,000 attendees.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:35 AM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

People don't spend their entire life's building businesses. They have this whole childhood thing that comes first, normally.

The only people that are offended are those that watch the Conservative Media and who have been told that it's offensive. You think that the people who were actually present for that speech were offended? The only reason that anyone even heard about it was because Fox News decided to pick it up, quote mine it and run the clip out of context to deliberately make Obama look bad.

He said something that when taken entirely out of context could be seen as being offensive. Otherwise, there are several videos of Romney and other politicians the world over saying pretty much exactly the same thing.

Nope...sorry to burst your bubble. I've worked my ass off, as long as I can remember in my parent's business. When I read his speech and came across that particular part of it, it turned me off immediately. Why are people so resistant to the idea the only people who don't agree with Obama are Republicans/conservatives/racists that watch FOX news and not his supporters?

Even Obama admits it was a bad choice of words and yet his die hard fans are saying it was taken out of context?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:40 AM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

The simplest answer is because it had been quote mined out of context. Outside of the context of the entire speech it is offensive. Within the context of the speech - not at all.
I think we're just going to have to disagree. :yes:

I don't watch Fox News, incidentally. And I did overreact on the first couple pages of this thread, but even once I'd read the speech a couple times, I still found that part of it offensive. Like telling a chef he did not cook his own food without the help of the truckers who brought him the ingredients. Completely true, yet stupid to state out loud.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:35 AM

View PostMichelle, on 07 September 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

Nope...sorry to burst your bubble. I've worked my ass off, as long as I can remember in my parent's business. When I read his speech and came across that particular part of it, it turned me off immediately. Why are people so resistant to the idea the only people who don't agree with Obama are Republicans/conservatives/racists that watch FOX news and not his supporters?

Oh? For an Obama supporter, you sure do like a lot of Pro-Republican posts.


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Even Obama admits it was a bad choice of words and yet his die hard fans are saying it was taken out of context?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:45 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 07 September 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

I think we're just going to have to disagree. :yes:

Well, that's the thing about Internet conversations. It's rare that anyone ever changes their initial position.

Which is generally why it's all about who can make the most compelling case.


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I don't watch Fox News, incidentally. And I did overreact on the first couple pages of this thread, but even once I'd read the speech a couple times, I still found that part of it offensive. Like telling a chef he did not cook his own food without the help of the truckers who brought him the ingredients. Completely true, yet stupid to state out loud.

You find the idea that people need and rely on other people - that we live within an interconnected society -  to be completely stupid?


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:32 AM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:


You find the idea that people need and rely on other people - that we live within an interconnected society -  to be completely stupid?

That's called egalitarianism. Not GOV.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:37 AM

View Postacidhead, on 07 September 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

That's called egalitarianism. Not GOV.
It's called a society.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:25 AM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

It's called a society.

Call it what you want bro.  It's all the same to those lining off the dole.  If you put into it you deserve something back.  This I understand.   It's all good.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

Oh? For an Obama supporter, you sure do like a lot of Pro-Republican posts.




Pro-Republican?   Why can't someone feel a certain way without being labled?   I won't vote for Obama or Romney.    That doesn't mean I belong to the same party as the 3rd choice I vote for.  
Obama said something stupid and offensive.   Get over it.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:22 PM

View PostTiggs, on 07 September 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:


The only people that are offended are those that watch the Conservative Media and who have been told that it's offensive. You think that the people who were actually present for that speech were offended? The only reason that anyone even heard about it was because Fox News decided to pick it up, quote mine it and run the clip out of context to deliberately make Obama look bad.

- The only people not offended are those that watch the mainstream media and are told that it is not offensive.

- The people watching the speech were, of course, not ofended as they are leftists like yourself and fully agree with the premise that big daddy government is the single most improtant thing in a person's life.

- Thankfully there is a Fox news that brings these momentary glimpses of the real Obama to light instead of hiding the ugliness from the bright light of public scrutiny.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".




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