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Ryinrea

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MV Rachel Corrie avoided capture during flotilla raid but Israeli lieutenant says 'we will be ready'

I do like the name of the Ship, since I love the irony in the name.

For those that don't know about Rachel Corrie she was American that was killed by Israeli bulldozers

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She was murdered by the Israeli's in march of 2003, and know the ship that is named after her is going after the blockade.

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Well the Irish do have a track record of defyin occupying countries, what am i saying im british *holds head in hands :no: * lol

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Israel will probably be forced to rescind that blockade, or they'll die over it.

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Israel will probably be forced to rescind that blockade, or they'll die over it.

they have temp. loosened the blockaid, and egypt has opened it's borders for a couple of weeks.

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Hopefully Israel doesn't send troops armed with paintball guns this time.

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Poetic justice. Godspeed MV Rachel Corrie.

Yeap good old poetic Justice at work.

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Well the Irish do have a track record of defyin occupying countries, what am i saying im british *holds head in hands :no: * lol

AHAHA Yeap we do! I am 1/8 Irish. xd

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Hopefully this one ship is not filled with War Supplies like concrete, food, blankets and medicine... like those other ships that were carrying War Materials. (Sarcasm)If those 1.5 Million Hamas followers in Gaza get blankets, toys and food, they might be able to take out Israeli tanks with blanket slings and tiny plastic toy truck bombs. If the ship is carrying these dangerous supplies then the Israelis will surely send it down to Davie Jones's Locker. (Sarcasm)

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Hopefully this one ship is not filled with War Supplies like concrete, food, blankets and medicine... like those other ships that were carrying War Materials. (Sarcasm)If those 1.5 Million Hamas followers in Gaza get blankets, toys and food, they might be able to take out Israeli tanks with blanket slings and tiny plastic toy truck bombs. If the ship is carrying these dangerous supplies then the Israelis will surely send it down to Davie Jones's Locker. (Sarcasm)

I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

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Hopefully this one ship is not filled with War Supplies like concrete, food, blankets and medicine... like those other ships that were carrying War Materials. (Sarcasm)

You mean besides the bats, iron bars, knives, daggers and Molotov cocktails?

And it turns much of what was in the ships is already available in Gaza. Shocking.

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The fleet was a set-up, with this goal in mind. They knew the Israelis would jump all over them, and that was the goal. Discredit Israel. Not that all aid ships are like that, but in this case. . . they'd made every sign they weren't material aid. They were political aid instead. Get Israel to drop the blockade, and get future ships safely into port.

Not necessarily an anti-Israel conspiracy, just a tactical move on the part of some forward thinkers, bringing along a bunch of do-gooders who weren't in the loop. Was Israel right to attack them? No, in fact, they probably hurt themselves worse with this move than they would have by allowing the ships through.

Before anyone jumps on me, think about it. The blockade would continue without added international pressure. Which is better: Run aid through official channels, risking it getting stonewalled by the Israelis who are running a blockade, or break the blockade with political maneuvers and get all aid unblocked? I respect the ones who ran the blockade, just hope they weren't Hamas extremists really smuggling weaponry.

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You mean besides the bats, iron bars, knives, daggers and Molotov cocktails?

And it turns much of what was in the ships is already available in Gaza. Shocking.

Invasion style weapons of mass destruction. They had pieces of wood, not baseball bats. They had pieces of pipe, not iron jimmies. Knives are common tools amongst sailors and so are lug wrenches. You forgot those. What daggers? And someone did indeed try to make a Molotov, but in the whole video I only saw one. These are all things that can be found on any ship.

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Israel have let boats through before and they will do again. An irish boat is a different kettle of fish to a boat full of IHH Turkish heavies so here's hoping.

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Invasion style weapons of mass destruction. They had pieces of wood, not baseball bats. They had pieces of pipe, not iron jimmies. Knives are common tools amongst sailors and so are lug wrenches. You forgot those. What daggers? And someone did indeed try to make a Molotov, but in the whole video I only saw one. These are all things that can be found on any ship.

This reminds me of this comment by a separatist blogger:

The footage of the confrontation aboard the Mavi Marmara shows that the entire operation from beginning to end was meticulously planned and flawlessly executed by the Islamic guerrillas. The strike company embarked aboard the vessel can be clearly seen deploying in squad-sized elements, with each element assigned an Israeli soldier to attack. Designated personnel were also set aside to attack the helicopter by firing flares at it and by tying the rope used to drop the commandos to the ship.

The purpose of the latter action is to cause unexpected force to be exerted on the helicopter, hopefully causing the pilot to either lose control and crash or overcompensate, snapping the rope. The recoiling end of the snapped rope could then seriously damage the helicopter. In the worst case, it could entangle rotor blades, again causing a crash. While the extensive training of the Israeli pilots and aircrew makes it highly unlikely that such a simple technique would cause a crash or serious damage to the helicopter, had it succeeded tense moments would have undoubtedly ensued until the crew chief could cut the rope. Injury to the crew chief would have been highly likely as well.

Islamic strike company personnel were well armed with weapons appropriate to the planned riot mission. The vast majority of weapons were “legal” tools and supplies, such as pipes, kitchen knives, souvenir daggers, hammers, axes, wrenches, etc. In addition, there were at least two snipers deployed with the strike company. Secondary weapons consisted of the usual rioters’ assortment of flares, firebombs and high-powered slingshots. The personnel of the strike company were provided with body armor. While most only had improvised armor in the form of life jackets, bulletproof vests were also issued to key personnel. Select personnel were equipped with night vision devices. Provision for the use of tear gas by the Israelis was likewise made. Every member of the strike company was issued a gas mask. Designated personnel were also no doubt assigned to pitch the snipers’ weapons overboard if the snipers themselves were unable to do so.

It is also clear that the rest of the guerrilla battalion and the various “activists”, propagandists and terrorist wannabes aboard the vessel were not informed regarding the detailed riot plan. Doing so would have only caused them to leak this information and spoil their “genuine” surprise and outrage. In fact, efforts were made to control the locations of the “independent” propagandists and “activists” in order to ensure that most never saw and filmed the initiation of the violence. Instead, their purpose in the operation was to film the casualties, render first aid, rush to shield retreating strike company members and film violence in progress as the strike company retreated. The actions of this large group of “independent” support personnel was well managed by guerrilla organizers imbedded among them and by the second-tier members of the guerrilla battalion embarked aboard the ship.

Overall, the planned riot aboard the Mavi Marmara was a textbook guerrilla operation that accomplished all of its goals at minimal cost. Israel has been delegitimized further. Internal Israeli debate has been focused on making future self-defense actions weaker. Egypt has announced a temporary opening of the border with Gaza. Israel has announced additional shipments of “aid” to further strengthen Hamas. Islamic forces throughout the world have been buoyed by the overwhelming victory over the Israelis and the inspirational footage of Israeli soldiers being clubbed to the deck, thrown off the ship and jumping overboard to save themselves from all but certain death. Goyshe governments are calling for sanctions. Goyshe political organizations are calling for boycotts and divestment. Goyshe commentators are calling for American and European warships to attack the Israeli navy in order to break the laughable “blockade”. Global attention has been distracted from the Iranian nuclear program. And there are more ships on the way.

The Islamic guerrillas involved displayed a high level of professionalism, dedication to duty and excellent discipline. This is not a surprise given that the operation was undertaken by the trained professionals of the IHH, with the overt support of the Turkish government. The commanders of the operation will certainly receive commendations for their work.

More importantly, even though they displayed utter incompetence, lack of professionalism and dereliction of duty, virtually all the Israeli commanders and politicians involved in this fiasco will certainly keep their jobs. Benjamin Netanyahu (y”sh), Ehud Barak (y”sh) and all their hangers-on will go on to endanger more Jewish lives. They will murder more Jews. They will use the excuse of “international pressure” caused by this incident to again attack the dati leumi, with genocidal intent. To explain their treasonous actions, they will claim that they need to “mollify America and world public opinion”. And the Jewish lemmings of the Holy Land will swallow this fairy tale once again, hook, line and sinker. No doubt they will keep buying it even as Israeli forces are demolishing Ariel and Ma’aleh Adumim.

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Considering the "peace activists" themselves have admitted this was all an effort to end the Israeli "siege", I don't know why you keep denying it.

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Naturally all the ships who have tried to break the blockade are against it. I know you are saying something else though.

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Psalm 2

1 Why do the nations conspire [a]

and the peoples plot in vain?

2 The kings of the earth take their stand

and the rulers gather together

against the LORD

and against his Anointed.

3 "Let us break their chains," they say,

"and throw off their fetters."

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;

the Lord scoffs at them.

5 Then he rebukes them in his anger

and terrifies them in his wrath

This is all a build up to Ezk 38,39

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If true preacherman then the whole of history, especially since the rebirth of Israel in 1948, which would make it the beginning of the Olivet Prophecy coming to pass, has been building up to it.

I do understand though that according to some Israel must be disarmed before the events of certain prophecy can occur and thus the worlds outrage at Israel for the flotilla fiasco is being interpreted by some Christians as an event that will possibly be crucial to leading to Israel's disarmament. I don't see Isrtael simply picking up their ball and going home without a fight. Let us do hope they back down from the blockade and ease it.

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If true preacherman then the whole of history, especially since the rebirth of Israel in 1948, which would make it the beginning of the Olivet Prophecy coming to pass, has been building up to it.

I do understand though that according to some Israel must be disarmed before the events of certain prophecy can occur and thus the worlds outrage at Israel for the flotilla fiasco is being interpreted by some Christians as an event that will possibly be crucial to leading to Israel's disarmament. I don't see Isrtael simply picking up their ball and going home without a fight. Let us do hope they back down from the blockade and ease it.

Right on Rose. Personaly this is the way I see it going down, looking at it through scripture. Sometime in the near future we will have the war of Ezk 38,39. Thats when the surrounding nations of Israel form a confederacy against them. The thing that kinda held everything back was the involment of Turkey. Looks like we can probably safly say they could be in on it now. Israel destroys Them all, including probably some kinda nuclear attack on Syria, Demascus. Russia comes down, and through the power of God they destroy themselfs. The whole world at that point see's Israel as a huge threat, and threaten's to just nuke the whole place. Thats when the anti christ steps on the scene and offers Israel protection, confirming a treaty (probably the mediteranian(sp?) treaty France has been working so hard on the last year). Jews all over the world will move to Israel in droves. In the treaty Israel will have to give up thier nukes, and bring down thier walls. Israel is going to accept this man as thier messiah, so they will do what he says. The signing of the treaty will mark to the day the begining of the 7 year tribulation.

Though its true that all this remains to be seen, never has there been a time in history where all this is very much possible.

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The only part you missed out was where somehow the Dome of the Rock is destroyed through this conflict allowing the beast, who will be accepted by Israel in order to bring peace, to sit in the newly reconstructed Jewish Temple, and accepted by some Jews as being the Messiah returned where later they will learn the ugly truth that it was really the beast all along.

While all theoretically sound there are going to be as many people who take offense to adherents of this prophecy as much as the deaths of those aboard the Marmara. I also do not think every escalation between Israel and its neighbors is necessarily the definitive flash point that will quickly lead to prophecy being unfolded but only because it is easy to be in a state of fear always thinking WW3 is around the corner. I simply refuse to live with that kind of fear even if I believe in prophecy.

I agree with your last sentence most definitely.

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The only part you missed out was where somehow the Dome of the Rock is destroyed through this conflict allowing the beast, who will be accepted by Israel in order to bring peace, to sit in the newly reconstructed Jewish Temple, and accepted by some Jews as being the Messiah returned where later they will learn the ugly truth that it was really the beast all along.

While all theoretically sound there are going to be as many people who take offense to adherents of this prophecy as much as the deaths of those aboard the Marmara. I also do not think every escalation between Israel and its neighbors is necessarily the definitive flash point that will quickly lead to prophecy being unfolded but only because it is easy to be in a state of fear always thinking WW3 is around the corner. I simply refuse to live with that kind of fear even if I believe in prophecy.

I agree with your last sentence most definitely.

Right again Rose. The temple must be built. However, again through scripture, I dont think its nesessary for the dome of the rock to fall. There is a strange vrs in Revelation where John is told to measure the site of the new temple, but he is told to exclude the "outter courts" cause it has been given over to the gentiles. Im not sure, but I think its possible the treaty will allow the Jews to build right next to the Dome, and a wall will seperate the 2.

I agree also that not every flash point means the prophecy is just around the corner. We could still be a few years off. But I do believe that every flash point is the set up for these things to come. And sooner or later, before the generation that saw Israel become a nation passes, these things will be.

People will most certainly be offended by this prophecy. Its also been declared. Lucky for me, a guy who does believe, its not for me to reconcile with the offended. Thier problem isnt with me. Its with God. Not knowing that if we would all just hummble ourselfs before him, repent, and seek his face, he would heal our lands. For the believer, this is a time to prepair to meet his maker, and to rejoyce, knowing our redemption draws near.

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