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#166    spayneuter

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:25 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 01 March 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

They showed the photo only again briefly today in the court room,but never really question Joni to much on it. I suppose the jury is wondering the same thing.

   The photo is of Joni`s backside holding Travis`s bloody body.


here it is


http://www.hlntv.com...picture-session
Thank you very much.  Pretty stupid to take a camera to a murder.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:30 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 01 March 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

These were photos in the camera found in the wash machine, it appears to me the blue stripe is on joni shirt and her arm is holding travis bloody body  and thats his foot below ,and no is explaining  how this photo could have been taken.

I've studied the picture and I have no clear idea of what I'm looking at.  If that's her behind then who is taking that photo?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:10 AM

View Postspayneuter, on 01 March 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

I've studied the picture and I have no clear idea of what I'm looking at.  If that's her behind then who is taking that photo?

Joni was taking photos of Travis in the shower, the last picture of Travis alive in the camera was at 5. 29 in the shower and this photo was at 5.31.Maybe the camera was still in a picture mode when she dropped his camera and started stabbing him .Her testimony was Travis got mad at her when she dropped his camera on the floor. Who knows, but it is puzzling.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:08 AM

HI! DOCYABUT2...Her name is JODI not Joni... That pic has been shown throughout the trial. They believe either the camera dropped or perhaps on a timer.. definitely an accident. Creeepy though that her LOVE was photography, & the pics were her downfall...

Edited by missterri, 01 March 2013 - 04:09 AM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:43 AM

It's also creeping me out a bit that I believe her when I KNOW she is a LIAR......BUT SHe NEVER wavered from her story..... she was up against a very powerful and feared lawyer...she LISTENED to the prosecutors questions so carefully and did not let him put ONE WORD in her mouth, no matter how leading his questions were.. I dont feel he tripped her up... I feel she was telling the truth on the stand & never changed it. .even so, I'm not sure that I believe it was self defense, although it could be because he certainly was no angel. &I dont think that it was premeditated at all.....I think she went there to try to get him to love her one last time & then when she knew he didnt, she  SNAPPED & went into a rage... I believed the crying on the stand  was  real & from losing him and shame at what she did. The picture of him dead and bloated in the shower has been the hardest one for her to look at throughout the trial... & for me it is the WORST one too. The talking heads kept saying that one was nt even bloody and seem to think she was just putting on an act of fake tears. I just dont think so. On the other hand I have cried for Travis and his family...SO VERY SAD, SO UNFAIR.... He had so much to live for....I am just glad I am not on that jury.

Edited by missterri, 01 March 2013 - 04:59 AM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:54 AM

View Postregi, on 28 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

No, you were addressing the posters in this thread when you said "armchair prosecutors", and the posters you were referring to were the posters with an opinion of guilt.

YOU"RE the one an apparent fixation on Nancy Grace, and you insinuate that it's because of Nancy Grace that people have opinions!
Don't "universally, highly correlate" ME with Nancy Grace viewers, and suggest that it's because of Nancy Grace or anyone else for that matter, that my opinion is what it is!
My opinion is based on the EVIDENCE, and it's right there in front of you, and if you can't see it, then NO ONE can help you see it.

I HAVE NOT rushed to judgement. I know what the evidence is and I've formed an opinion about what it shows.
Maybe you haven't recognized this, but sometimes, there's evidence in a case which leaves no doubt, and the trial is the process of law when a defendant refuses to plead guilty to charges made by the prosecutor.
This is one of those cases. Apart from premeditation, the only question I see for the jury is whether or not they believe that Arias "forgot" ...because that AIN"T self defense on that body.

You say you'll reserve judgement...B.S. You've expressed opinions, and you've also attempted to defame Alexander's character!
You grandstand about "innocent until proven guilty". Hello? We ARE NOT in a court of law, and if we were in a court of law, I definitely WOULD NOT want you on the jury! (Unless I were A GUILTY defendant :lol: )
I said I watched her show one time in years.   Your "fixation" dispelled.

I insinuate because Nancy Grace's audience form their opinions from Nancy Grace?   No, I flat out state that they do.  People don't think for themselves, they rely on the junk food they see on their boob tube to form their opinions for them.   The examples of this are endless.  This moral hazard has taken us to war and resulted in the death of millions.  It's the primary reason why we have the unsatisfactory dolts in Congress and the White House that we do.  It's the essence of our moral and financial bankruptcy in this country.   This is just another ghastly appendage of the same societal beast.

I didn't attempt to defame Alexander's character.  He defamed his own when he said the trash on the "sex tapes" that he did.  Any man who blathers that a 12-year old girl is "hott" needs to get his head on straight.

Yes we are in the court of law, what do you think this trial is?  A circus act for your entertainment?   Jodi Arias is innocent until proven guilty.  Your extreme bias on this matter does not change the color of right or nullify the most sacred rights of our people.

Nancy Grace viewers are led to believe that people are guilty when they turn out innocent in the end.  "Universally" means not personally.  "Highly correlated" means that there's a relationship between watching Nancy Grace and believing in the guilt of the accused, which you have been crystal clear is your own opinion whether you watch Nancy Grace or not.   This presumption of guilt is a theme of that vampire bat's show in case after case, after case.   You've rushed to judgment on this matter multiple times on this thread when you state that "...she killed Travis...".   I can dig up those instances if I must but I don't care about you and you shouldn't care about me.  Let us stick with the facts, and stick with the story.   Let us not get personal.  This isn't about me and it isn't about you.  I could care less about you or me.  Boring...

We will agree to disagree because as it stands, you have no hope of changing my mind with responses like these.  Good day, and please try to remember the importance of Presumption of innocence and Due Process in our legal system.

Edited by Yamato, 01 March 2013 - 05:09 AM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:04 AM

View Postregi, on 28 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

Eldorado, and Yamato, since you both have expressed concern over this issue, what effect did public opinion (and I'm including pretrial publicity) have on the Simpson and Anthony verdicts?
Making human trash famous, for one thing.  Highlighting the worst of humanity instead of the best.   A massive waste of resources; revealing a gossipy nosy herd of an audience.

I have no interest in Jodi Arias's ultimate fate.   I'm not going to change my opinion about Nancy Grace's daily trash because there's a correlation between that trash and not-guilty verdicts.  Arias should be given a fair trial, all the facts should be considered, and the rule of law should prevail.   Period.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:44 AM

View PostYamato, on 01 March 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

Making human trash famous, for one thing.  Highlighting the worst of humanity instead of the best.   A massive waste of resources; revealing a gossipy nosy herd of an audience.

I have no interest in Jodi Arias's ultimate fate.   I'm not going to change my opinion about Nancy Grace's daily trash because there's a correlation between that trash and not-guilty verdicts.  Arias should be given a fair trial, all the facts should be considered, and the rule of law should prevail.   Period.
I agree with so much of what you said.... but you lost me when you said you dont care about the fate of the PEOPLE involved... have you been following the trial?


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:20 AM

View Postmissterri, on 01 March 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

I agree with so much of what you said.... but you lost me when you said you dont care about the fate of the PEOPLE involved... have you been following the trial?
Awwww it's nice to be agreed with, every once in a great while.  :)

Though I'm sorry I lost you, to say that I care would imply that I have an emotional interest in the outcome of this case.  I do not.  Maybe if someone sat me in a room and forced me to watch wall to wall coverage and analysis, the emotional centers of my brain would light up and I'd be good and ready to make my decision already.

I just want the rule of law to prevail, despite the opinions.  My care for all else, notwithstanding.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:44 AM

Just watched a bit after this read this thread and all I can say about it is that it is one of the most entertaining things I've seen on TV in a while.

I honestly can't tell if she is guilty or innocent from the part I saw alone, the forensics are pretty much botched, the people involved are hilarious, you couldn't write a better sarcastic comedy if you tried. Then the media outlets on top of it. Coming to the conclusion that she is a psychopathic killer and claiming the lawyer is a genius by playing with an emotionally unstable person who makes bad choices, when makes her emotionally unstable by verbally attacking her then asking really bad yes or no questions, to make it look she makes bad choices. He is literally walking himself in to a non-guilty verdict by the jury and he doesn't even have a clue. Hopefully the rest of the trial wasn't played out like this.

Personally I don't really care about the outcome, just that it goes down the right way.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:17 AM

View PostYamato, on 01 March 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

Making human trash famous, for one thing.  Highlighting the worst of humanity instead of the best.   A massive waste of resources; revealing a gossipy nosy herd of an audience.

I have no interest in Jodi Arias's ultimate fate.   I'm not going to change my opinion about Nancy Grace's daily trash because there's a correlation between that trash and not-guilty verdicts.  Arias should be given a fair trial, all the facts should be considered, and the rule of law should prevail.   Period.

Have to agree with ya yamato,the more this continues as a circus act even if proven guilty her chances of walking get better and better the more this sideshow nancy grace type bs continues.I believe the way the guy keeps questioning her,his tactics could wind up backfiring on him.This is a mostly male jury most males do not like seeing a woman get what appears to be bullied no matter the circumstances.Just my opinion

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:01 PM

What is the significance of the sequencing of Alexander's injuries?

There are two reasons why this is important to Arias' defense.

A defense attorney's job is to create as much doubt about the prosecution's case as possible. If the defense can show the prosecution is unsure about its theory of Alexander's death, it may erode the jury's confidence in the prosecution's case.

The sequencing also matters because this is a death penalty case. If the prosecution can get a guilty verdict and prove that Arias was cruel and caused Alexander to suffer, she may be sentenced to death. However, if the defense can show that Alexander was shot in the head first, attorneys can argue that all of Alexander's other wounds happened after he died, and so he didn't suffer -- and that could save Arias from the death penalty.
http://www.hlntv.com...ravis-alexander


As the article said ,what came frist the stabbing or the shooting in this decision on Jodi`s case? If I was a jurier I would want to know for sure. Its still not clear how Jodi killed Travis.To me that photo points to Jodi stabbing Tavis frist in the shower.

Edited by docyabut2, 01 March 2013 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:27 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 28 February 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

3:52 p.m. ET: Detective Flores and Prosecutor Martinez are going back over where pieces of rope were found at the crime scene.
3:50 p.m. ET: Martinez is having Flores read over more Facebook messages between Alexander and Arias. Now Martinez in reviewing a photograph on a piece of rope found at the crime scene



http://www.hlntv.com...odi-arias-trial

Thanks for those links. The only rope I was aware of was the rope Arias claims to have thrown in a dumpster.

Has Arias been asked where she ditched the gun? (Of course, that's another thing she must not remember because otherwise she'd certainly want it retrieved if at all possible, you know, to show that it wasn't her grandfather's! :rolleyes: )


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:37 PM

View Postspayneuter, on 28 February 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

I think it's very possible to form an opinion and then to change that opinion in the face of new evidence or new understanding. Common sense has a place in forming  opinions too.

I don't know why you quoted me, and made those comments. :cry:

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion on this case WILL NOT change because the evidence is such that it's a no-brainer!, so that there's NOTHING that the defense could present which could even possibly change my opinion. Nothing.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:41 PM

View PostYamato, on 01 March 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

You've rushed to judgment on this matter multiple times on this thread when you state that "...she killed Travis...".   I can dig up those instances if I must but I don't care about you and you shouldn't care about me.  Let us stick with the facts, and stick with the story.   Let us not get personal.  This isn't about me and it isn't about you.  I could care less about you or me.  Boring...

Didn't she admit to killing him?





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