The Legend of the Evil

[Toltec]

While I know of a legend which is older than this that one merely is an effort to explain what is described in this legend. The time at which this legend occurs is unknown, though it is general concluded that it was prepared prior to 1 million years ago. As to which culture or race prepared this legend, that is also lost to time and history.

But does that really matter......

As mentioned in a prior presentation approximately every 200,000 years a crustal pole shift occurs during which, its effects decimate anything which exist on the surface of the planet Earth. It is known to us that that humans have and do survive such events. But the conditions, which exist after such a diaster occurs may in fact be beyond the imagination of this observer in terms of horrors.

In between these periods mankind develops and in several cases experiences industrial revolutions, cities even nuclear power. But in each and every circumstance since the conception of this legend man had been unable to over come the pole shifts, which up till today have occurred pretty much like clockwork (every 200,000 years).

To begin, humans which have not been insulated with the proper materials, loose the ability for the halves of the brain to communicate. Literally, they behave like animals with exception of the fact, that they seem to be heavily engaged in outwardly responding to internal stimuli in the form of what appears to be some form of ritual meditation.

An assessment made of this state though a subject sugest that despite no physical connection between the two halves of there brains, the halves are communicating with the right seemingly dominant.

With respect to the surviving animal species they have become much more aggressive, the lack of plant life anywhere on the planet has essentially resulted in a condition in, which predation and scavenging are the only rules of nature.

Mankind prior to the event had developed substantially, post industrial, world communications but not yet were they using nuclear power. Observation of human interaction with there new enviroment has been substantial. Despite the affect of the pole shift which recently occurred it is apparent that human personality traits have not been hindered. Though the subjects cannot even make fire there are behaviors, which seem more inherent, that are affecting survival of the individual beings. Those whose ancestors were more aggressive and violent are more effective in their daily tasks. While the less violent the subject is, the more likely they are eaten by the more aggressive animals. Many of which, have started operating in packs, making them more effective against the fragile humans.

As time passed the observer reported the following.....

Mankind has clearly re-subdued the surface of the planet and social groups have begun to form. Clearly though these are still the more aggressive and violent humans. Plant life has begun to take hold, with that, so have less aggressive plant eating life forms. The ecosystem seems to be returning to its prior condition but I will remain until such time as the fate of the less aggressive humans is determined, within this new group. We have processed the translation for the words they called these more aggressive humans prior to the last pole shift and were quite surprised. We had considered the fact that because they were kept in such well built and protected structures, was to indicate they were being protected, but it seems it was the others who needed protection from them.

These people are the ancestors of those, which in that past culture, were labeled as evil (and also as criminals). They were descendants of the worst of the worst in civilized culture, those who in that society were feared and hated now ruled this world and up till now no evidence sugest's they will relinquish there control.

The observer remained as there was concern over this situation and one day a change became apparent children started being born with different types of temperament. The descendents of the evil did have a choice to make and perhaps the choice made is reflective of some wisdom of there own, they took care of these children. As time passed it began to be apparent that the human culture was returning to the same path it was on prior, to the most recent pole shift.

The legend continues by claiming that mankind is in a very strange predicament because if pole shifts occur regularly then the most likely survival scenario is for those of us who are evil. This being because the conditions would be so unbearable it would require a person whose intent is to do harm anyway.

Without any other pretext physical responses to threats take less time.

Now the problem with this legend is this, if as in Revelations (Holy Bible) God comes to Earth and wipes out evil and we let him because we believe he is God and it turns out he is not, we will not survive the next pole shift as a species.

Which means that all that needs to happen, is that someone capable of convincing us that he God, but is actually not can result in mankinds extinction.

Any thoughts?

[PROPERgrowth]

INTERESTING AND UNSETTLING AT THE SAME TIME.

I SUPPOSE THAT THE NEXT LEGEND SOMEONE SHOULD POST IS THE ONE ABOUT THE FALSE PROPHET.

[Toltec]

Actually, there is a well documented legend in relation to that matter and during Vatican 1 it was included in one of the books of the Holy Bible.

It sites that one of the Popes would be the anti-christ.

This being (the Pope) the only person on earth with the real authority to claim someone is God.

Any thoughts?

[laura2005]

Any thoughts?

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My thoughts are that "revelations" from supposedly Gods, Extra-Terrestrials seem to be hoax for the interest of Secret Service Agencies or Sects.

Take the famous John Lear who pretends to detain astonishing revelations from ETs. In truth he was CIA agent see for example Hansson who has been living with John Lear for 2 years - for making a film on JFK:

UFO's, Aliens and "Ex"-intelligence Agents: Who's Fooling Whom

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lear/hansson.html

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lear/hansson2.html

Edited May 28, 2005 by laura2005

[marduk]

crustal pole shift

You mean earth crust displacement theory as postulated by charles hapgood

It's a myth

besides which we've been here for 240,000 years as a species so far.

[Falco Rex]

It seems to me that pole shifts almost universally occur on a magnetic level, rather than a crustal one..

Although your compasses may be messed up and there may be some minor side effects here and there it's far from the picture of rampaging devestation you're envisioning..

[marduk]

It seems to me that pole shifts almost universally occur on a magnetic level, rather than a crustal one..

Although your compasses may be messed up and there may be some minor side effects here and there it's far from the picture of rampaging devestation you're envisioning..

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the best thing about ECD is that most people who bring it up haven't got a clue wether its a valid theory or not.

most haven't even heard the name charles hapgood.

if they did

they might not bother to mention it.

[Falco Rex]

Of course if people paid attention to little things like details, we'd never have any reason to post..

[Dark_Lord]

"Good" and "evil" don't exist. They're unsignificant human concepts, the way people look at the outside world, influenced by time, history, culture and circumstances. Reality is beyond good and evil, the only relevant thing is the rule of nature, the survival of the fittest (not necessairly the strongest, however). A lion isn't evil because he kills a lamb, he's simply following his instincts, which are unborn in him, as in anybody else.

[marduk]

"Good" and "evil" don't exist. They're unsignificant human concepts, the way people look at the outside world, influenced by time, history, culture and circumstances. Reality is beyond good and evil, the only relevant thing is the rule of nature, the survival of the fittest (not necessairly the strongest, however). A lion isn't evil because he kills a lamb, he's simply following his instincts, which are unborn in him, as in anybody else.

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I thought "beyond good and evil" was a book by Nietzche

Reality is never beyond good and evil

it is good and evil

thats the point

[Dark_Lord]

"Good" and "evil" don't exist. They're unsignificant human concepts, the way people look at the outside world, influenced by time, history, culture and circumstances. Reality is beyond good and evil, the only relevant thing is the rule of nature, the survival of the fittest (not necessairly the strongest, however). A lion isn't evil because he kills a lamb, he's simply following his instincts, which are unborn in him, as in anybody else.

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I thought "beyond good and evil" was a book by Nietzche

Reality is never beyond good and evil

it is good and evil

thats the point

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It's a book by Nietzche, one of my favourites.

It can't be both good and evil, it's unlogical (tertium non datur, a third way between contraddictory statements isn't possible the third principle of logic thought). Since it can't be both, it's necessairly none of them. What is "good" and what is "evil"? Nothing, since what today is "good" tomorrow might be not "good" any more. All is relative.

[marduk]

"Good" and "evil" don't exist. They're unsignificant human concepts, the way people look at the outside world, influenced by time, history, culture and circumstances. Reality is beyond good and evil, the only relevant thing is the rule of nature, the survival of the fittest (not necessairly the strongest, however). A lion isn't evil because he kills a lamb, he's simply following his instincts, which are unborn in him, as in anybody else.

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I thought "beyond good and evil" was a book by Nietzche

Reality is never beyond good and evil

it is good and evil

thats the point

645296[/snapback]

It's a book by Nietzche, one of my favourites.

It can't be both good and evil, it's unlogical (tertium non datur, a third way between contraddictory statements isn't possible the third principle of logic thought). Since it can't be both, it's necessairly none of them. What is "good" and what is "evil"? Nothing, since what today is "good" tomorrow might be not "good" any more. All is relative.

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I don't really want to get into a philosophical discussion with you at this point but what exactly does something being possible or impossible have to do with reality

nothings written in stone

apart from gravestones

[Toltec]

Actually the force needed to generate a crustal polar shift, is equivalent to a meteor striking the earth, of about one half mile in diameter.

Also the truth is that if it were not for the moon it would happen quite frequently and in fact all the time.

The math is really easy actually and it is correct

Marduk in science all things are considered possible, within certain guidelines of course (such as developmental stages), though those guidelines are the result of probabilities and the laws of physics.

The legends related to this one, in particular, claim man presence on earth to have been much longer than 240,000 years but no less and as much as 1 million years.

But again I am simply relating a legend I was taught.

Like this other one........

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The word tree, as used in the Holy Bible in Genesis, with relation to Adam and Eve. Was not a reference to a tree as it is commonly known but rather, the term as it is also defined, is the appropriate conclusion.

This being with respect to linage.

Hence the mandate in Genesis is with respect to cannibalism, within the context of man engaging is such behavior within his species.

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In relation to Nietzche he was not alive when these legends were prepared.

Though for the record, my tendency is to believe that evil can exist as separate from good, but clearly the two are immutable.

It is almost as if in relation to a spectrum, they blend at some points, while at other points they stand alone and as well, are unique even unto there own reflection.

Could there exist in nature the ability to reflect itself so perfectly, that its reflection could also be finite, as well as boundless (infinite).

If this is not the case, potentially then, the reflection is bound in some way to reality and as such, existing with limitations.

For example existing as an individual with awareness, for a set period of time, while ultimately being part of a spectrum.

Related to what we accept as concrete things.

An awareness whose role is to evolve, to mirror reality, in its entirety and

within the time span of what we today call, moments in time.

Any thoughts?

[LucidElement]

The legend of reality and evil can be discussed in so many different matters.. meaning their are so many theories on how it got started.. i dont think their is just one.. because its like everyone has their own opionon ya no?

[Shai_Hulud]

Interesting, care to tell us what where this legend originated from? From what people, region does it comes from?

[marduk]

The legend of reality and evil can be discussed in so many different matters.. meaning their are so many theories on how it got started.. i dont think their is just one.. because its like everyone has their own opionon ya no?

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The legend of reality and evil

oh thats a good one lucid

which book did you read that in

What is the legend ,

ive never heard it before ?

[Toltec]

SH as far as I know there is very little information regarding the exact origin of this legend though it is claimed as the basis for why some indian tribes are more aggressive than others.

This because the contents of the legend are applied to how native american tribes were organized. Though the evil allowed less aggressive versions of humans to live getting along was another story.

As time passed the evil would tend to want to live together while others found

doing the same made the lives of all concerned less difficult.

As I understand it at some point in time mankind did in fact discover his predicament with regards to the matter of pole shifts and as a result began finding ways to communicate information to descendants after the next shift.

It is suggested for instance that the story of Noah in the bible and other flood myths throughout the world are actually, much older than is often implied.

There is also mention that the authors of the legend were actual observers actually researching mass extinctions on earth they gave the infomation regarding the Legend of the Evil to Native American tribes.

As to there origins as the legend suggest they did not understand the language

of the human inhabitants prior to the pole shift in question therefore they were not

survivors of the event.

LE a response what comes to mind is that reality could have an infinite number of paths to understanding it completely.

Each one as valid as the next but only under the most serious efforts to inquire

Tao Te Chin

10.

Nurture the darkness of your soul

until you become whole.

Can you do this and not fail?

Can you focus your life-breath until you become

supple as a newborn child?

While you cleanse your inner vision

will you be found without fault?

Can you love people and lead them

without forcing your will on them?

When Heaven gives and takes away

can you be content with the outcome?

When you understand all things

can you step back from your own understanding?

Giving birth and nourishing,

making without possessing,

expecting nothing in return.

To grow, yet not to control:

This is the mysterious virtue.

11.

Thirty spokes are joined together in a wheel,

but it is the center hole

that allows the wheel to function.

We mold clay into a pot,

but it is the emptiness inside

that makes the vessel useful.

We fashion wood for a house,

but it is the emptiness inside

that makes it livable.

We work with the substantial,

but the emptiness is what we use.

Any thoughts?

[marduk]

SH as far as I know there is very little information regarding the exact origin of this legend though it is claimed as the basis for why some indian tribes are more aggressive than others.

This because the contents of the legend are applied to how native american tribes were organized. Though the evil allowed less aggressive versions of humans to live getting along was another story.

As time passed the evil would tend to want to live together while others found

doing the same made the lives of all concerned less difficult.

As I understand it at some point in time mankind did in fact discover his predicament with regards to the matter of pole shifts and as a result began finding ways to communicate information to descendants after the next shift.

It is suggested for instance that the story of Noah in the bible and other flood myths throughout the world are actually, much older than is often implied.

There is also mention that the authors of the legend were actual observers actually researching mass extinctions on earth they gave the infomation regarding the Legend of the Evil to Native American tribes.

As to there origins as the legend suggest they did not understand the language

of the human inhabitants prior to the pole shift in question therefore they were not

survivors of the event.

LE a response what comes to mind is that reality could have an infinite number of paths to understanding it completely.

Each one as valid as the next  but only under the most serious efforts to inquire

Tao Te Chin

10.

Nurture the darkness of your soul

until you become whole.

Can you do this and not fail?

Can you focus your life-breath until you become

supple as a newborn child?

While you cleanse your inner vision

will you be found without fault?

Can you love people and lead them

without forcing your will on them?

When Heaven gives and takes away

can you be content with the outcome?

When you understand all things

can you step back from your own understanding?

Giving birth and nourishing,

making without possessing,

expecting nothing in return.

To grow, yet not to control:

This is the mysterious virtue.

11.

Thirty spokes are joined together in a wheel,

but it is the center hole

that allows the wheel to function.

We mold clay into a pot,

but it is the emptiness inside

that makes the vessel useful.

We fashion wood for a house,

but it is the emptiness inside

that makes it livable.

We work with the substantial,

but the emptiness is what we use.

Any thoughts?

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"SH as far as I know there is very little information regarding the exact origin of this legend though it is claimed as the basis for why some indian tribes are more aggressive than others"

so you're saying you have no credible source and can't link to any site that does.

what with the "super intelligent observers communicating with native american tribes" leads me to believe that this has no basis is fact whatsoever.

And then you contradicted yourself about the origins of these people by saying that they were the survivors of the previous "shift" (whatever thats supposed to mean. ECD is not viable) but they diodn't speak the languages of the people before the shift as they hadn't survived it.

the rest is so much hyperbole and garbage ?

imao

as for "It is suggested for instance that the story of Noah in the bible and other flood myths throughout the world are actually, much older than is often implied. "

are you just repeating this verbatim or do you actually know anything about the origins of flood myths. What date do you think is suggested by the current flood myths exactly ?

[Toltec]

Marduk its not garbage its a legend I was taught, its that simple. The basis being that of it being a legend, as the word is defined. I am not certain how it is you expect me to react to your conclusions as far as legends go it fairs about the same as most others.

So its important to not be to obsessive about assessing it

superficially.

In general would you not agree this to be a fair conclusion??

I am Taino Indian mixed with Japanese Marduk the source of these legends

were those responsible for teaching them to me. The lessons were presented

in the traditional way the same was for instance celtic parents taught there

children thousands of years ago.

Does that make things clearer?

In relation to your question about Noahs flood I would suggest that it

is a story about an event that occurred prior to the last ice age. These

legends were the stories, which survived that event and was related

to cultural indentity amongst tribal peoples.

Any thoughts?

[marduk]

Marduk its not garbage its a legend I was taught, its that simple. The basis being that of it being a legend, as the word is defined. I am not certain how it is you expect me to react to your conclusions as far as legends go it fairs about the same as most others.

So its important to not be to obsessive about assessing it

superficially. 

In general would you not agree this to be a fair conclusion??

I am Taino Indian mixed with Japanese Marduk the source of these legends

were those responsible for teaching them to me. The lessons were presented

in the traditional way the same was for instance celtic parents taught there

children thousands of years ago.

Does that make things clearer?

In relation to your question about Noahs flood I would suggest that it

is a story about an event that occurred prior to the last ice age. These

legends were the stories, which survived that event and was related

to cultural indentity amongst tribal peoples.

Any thoughts?

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well most of the worlds christ based religions agree that their flood occoured in 26,000bce

the sumerian and babylonian flood never actually occurred ona global scale.

the aztec and other mesoamerican realted tribes have an ocean journey to get to a new home rather than a flood.

I understand now that you are saying that this is a traditional legend where you are from

unfortunatly that means its very unreliable

every person that tells it adds to it

same as in england we have myths about things that actually happened but that are now distorted out of all recognition over the passage of time.

You'll need to do a little research into the traditions of your people to find out what the original legend's basic facts were

until then you're playing chinese whispers

(no pun intended)

[Toltec]

The legends I know of were all taught to me at the same age. They are a part of a series of legends, which when put together represent a philosophy. The purpose of which is to act as a guideline to daily life (A good book as it were). Interpretation acting as a guideline, in respect to function. Certain ways of understanding these

legends (definition of terms) do reveal cultural traits.

But the more obscure they are, in fact, the harder it is to eek out any real meaning in respect to social behavior.

For instance that the mesoamericans sailed in there flood myths, suggest that other's could have done the same as well.

There is a legend about that as also, which include the ramifications of a group one day wanting to return to the eastern hemisphere and claim a bithright, which had not been claimed for 10 thousand years.

It suggests that peoples from all over the world interacted long before common records of history sugest.

Speaking of chinese whispers Marduk have you ever heard of the Story of the

Collum people?

We do not generally consider that the Egyptians thought they could use a pyramid the same way, they had come to understand the way a prism operates.

But to simply assume prisms did not act as a model, reminds me to pack some dull razors when spending the night in one. Also to take into consideration that considering relationships between light and matter could have occurred well

before it is today often acknowledged.

Any thoughts?

[marduk]

The Collum people ?

you mean australian aborigines ?

or tierra del fuegans

"It suggests that peoples from all over the world interacted long before common records of history sugest. "

Well its not all that well known but the sumerians were apparently ocean travellers

see attached pictures.

The first is a cylinder seal that predates 3000bce

it features a reed boat with a rudder.

the second shows a inshore reed boat of the modern period. a sort of reed canoe

the difference between boats and ships made from reeds is that ships need a rudder to steer in a current. boats don't

the first picture clearly has a rudder

The boat also carries a sphinx with the face of the god Enlil.

makes you think doesn't it.

Just why was the sphinx's head recarved ?

hehe

as for the pyramids

sigh. Here we go again

they were built in the same manner as ziggurats, a layer at a time.

they weren't representative of stone prisms

they were origionally conceived of as mountains.

The fact that a few pyramids in egypt were faced to be smoothsided is a design adaptation which is likely just the result of a long genesis over the millenia leading up to them..

i.e. Mark 2

You missed the point about the mesoamericans

they don't have a flood myth.

they have a journey myth that is lumped under the general heading "flood myth" because thats what people like to do.

put things in neat little boxes, even if they don't really fit

[Toltec]

Here is an interesting mystery Unexplained Acoustics no its not about ghosts, but rather, about

pyramids and a very unique phenomenon.

What is your opinion Marduk?

The Collum people is a story alleged to have been written by Emperor Chin

in appreciation for the manner in which he was accepted by the Chinese

people. It is story which creates an analogy between prophets and those who

in ancient society, built and installed collums in buildings that required them.

If one visits China and goes to one of the ancient buildings, which use collums

in there structure and if a curator is available. Ask him the purpose of the

collums and you would probably hear this story.

My understanding of the Sphinx is that it is much older than is often accepted and that originally the heads appearance was more like that of a lion.

To be sincere Marduk I have done some traveling and blades do actually get sharper when inside a pyramid.

There actually is a room in the Vatican where, it is traditional for the Pope to speak to God and it is shaped like the Kings Chamber in the Giza Pyramid (have actually seen the blue prints).

Also with respect to the "alleged" Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia I would not recommend touching it, unless you have had certain types of training.

Once a year they do open the doors and allow some (2) to try

Any thoughts?

Edited May 30, 2005 by Toltec

[marduk]

Here is an interesting mystery Unexplained Acoustics no its not about ghosts, but rather, about

pyramids and a very unique phenomenon.

What is your opinion Marduk?

The Collum people is a story alleged to have been written by Emperor Chin

in appreciation for the manner in which he was accepted by the Chinese

people. It is story which creates an analogy between prophets and those who

in ancient society, built and installed collums in buildings that required them.

If one visits China and goes to one of the ancient buildings, which use collums

in there structure and if a curator is available. Ask him the purpose of the

collums and you would probably hear this story.

My understanding of the Sphinx is that it is much older than is often accepted and that originally the heads appearance was more like that of a lion.

To be sincere Marduk I have done some traveling and blades do actually get sharper when inside a pyramid.

There actually is a room in the Vatican where, it is traditional for the Pope to speak to God and it is shaped like the Kings Chamber in the Giza Pyramid (have actually seen the blue prints).

Also with respect to the "alleged" Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia I would not recommend touching it, unless you have had certain types of training.

Once a year they do open the doors and allow some (2) to try

Any thoughts?

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yes

you are referring to columns

not collum

secondly your link talks about the acoustic properties at mesoamerican locations

thirdly blueprints for the vatican are not a matter of public record for security reasons so you've been misled

thirdly blades may get sharper inside a pyramid but you wont have discovered that from your travels as overnight accomodation inside pyramids is not available to travellers and its not something tat has ever been verified scientifically. It's psuedo science. Otherwise people wouldn't bother to buy new razors would they.

Fourthly emporer chins edict about columns was an analogy between the shoring up of his buildings and the planet earth which in his time was carried on the back of a giant turtle supported by columns "as above so below"

and please the ark in ethipoia

do me a favour

"The Sign and The Seal" in which this idea was first put forward was by Graham Hancock

that man is an idiot

he's the last person on earth who'd find anything important

if he says its there you can bet your ass it isn't

and lets not forget here that The ark of the covenant is a judaic tradition. And judaic tradition tends to make things up as it goes along

[The Roswell Man]

as do sum christian traditions

e.g christmas,easter etc....