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Hawking: 'Big Bang did not need God'


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#61    Einsteinium

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:21 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 20 April 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

If the membranes can always be existed, so does God (no evidence support)

Exactly my point. Thank you. However M-Theory does have one thing that God does not have, mathematics backing it up.

The big bang theory has tons of evidence to back it up. It's just that in science the bar is VERY high for anything to be considered fact. If the rigorous rules of science are applied to the existence of God, it would hardly if even make it to 'Theory'  because of the lack of any objective evidence. All evidence for God is subjective, meaning that you might see one thing as evidence for God, I might see that same thing differently. Objectively we know from numerous careful and precise measurements that the universe is expanding, this is a known fact- there is no better explanation that has been put forth to explain the observations besides expansion, if you can think of one, then you could re-write cosmology and go down in history for your great achievement. Logically then if you rewind time everything likely expanded from a common point. This is not the only evidence for the big bang. Mathematical evidence exists for it as well.

Notice the terms science uses and remember the difference between science speak and religious speak Science will use terms such as "likely" "probably" "perhaps" "maybe" "all evidence suggests". Religion will not use these terms, they will not say that God likely told Abraham to kill his only son, no they will say God DID tell Abraham to kill his son. They state it as being true and do not leave it open for questioning. Science does not have this luxury. I will not say that M-Theory IS true, I will say that it is possible that M-theory is true. You say God DID it, you do not say that God most likely did it. Who here is closing off their mind and disregarding anything that does not jive with their own belief?

Edited by Einsteinium, 20 April 2013 - 06:27 AM.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:14 AM

The stars & planets are moving outward to an ever expanding universe.The Bible tells us about the times & predictions according to the positions of the stars.God warns us about many things and created a calendar that reflected the very positioning of the heavens.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:15 AM

View PostHeaven Is A Halfpipe, on 18 April 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

Big Bang theory has about as much evidence of existence as God.
At least the world doesn't suffer daily worshiping the big bang theory.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:34 AM

View PostTimonthy, on 20 April 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

At least the world doesn't suffer daily worshiping the big bang theory.
I have long wondered what is meant by "worship."When I go to Temple I prostrate myself before the statue of the Buddha there, as do most visitors, and go through the little rituals of lighting joss sticks and putting them in the sand.  I do the same before the picture of my parents in my home.  I would call these acts "honor" rather than "worship."  Both the Buddha and my parents are dead.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:38 AM

View PostGirlfromOz, on 20 April 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

The stars & planets are moving outward to an ever expanding universe.The Bible tells us about the times & predictions according to the positions of the stars.God warns us about many things and created a calendar that reflected the very positioning of the heavens.
Well, no, nothing is "moving outward."  Space is expanding and carrying galaxies beyond a certain distance away from us, but they are not "moving" as though propelled by some force.  Closer in, galaxies and stars and planets are not going outward even because of the expansion of space, as local gravity overcomes this.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

Wat he is saying is just so logical n true


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:03 AM

View PostHeaven Is A Halfpipe, on 20 April 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

It's not a fact in science whatsoever. The clue is in the title: The Big Bang Theory. Big Bang...God...Neither is any more credible or scientifically proven than the other, as it stands.
Way to completely misread my post. There exists no scientific evidence for God. That is a fact.
Anyway you need to educate yourself what a theory is in the scientific context. Perhaps I can give you a clue, a theory has been verified and supported with evidence.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 20 April 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

I have long wondered what is meant by "worship."When I go to Temple I prostrate myself before the statue of the Buddha there, as do most visitors, and go through the little rituals of lighting joss sticks and putting them in the sand.  I do the same before the picture of my parents in my home.  I would call these acts "honor" rather than "worship."  Both the Buddha and my parents are dead.
Hey Frank,

In my eyes, Buddhism is an incredibly respectful way of thinking, I do not consider it a religion.

Philosophies and ideals are founded, religion not so much.

Of course, respect to you and your parents.

Please do not ever take my posts as attacking, I would not mean it that way.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:08 AM

View PostSaru, on 18 April 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

Stephen Hawking spoke about the formation of the cosmos to a packed house at Caltech on Tuesday.

An ideological stance from a man in a wheelchair?


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:58 AM

View PostTimonthy, on 20 April 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

At least the world doesn't suffer daily worshiping the big bang theory.
Wrong. Ask those who go to the church. Ask them if they feel happy, relief or they feel pain and suffer while praying.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:10 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 20 April 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

Wrong. Ask those who go to the church. Ask them if they feel happy, relief or they feel pain and suffer while praying.
I'd prefer to be a good person because I'm a good person.

Being good because of fear? Do explain.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:41 PM

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View PostTimonthy, on 20 April 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

I'd prefer to be a good person because I'm a good person.

Being good because of fear? Do explain.
Lots of people who believe in karma (Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) "do good things" because they gain merit from it and superstitiously think this brings good luck.  The opposite -- refraining from sin -- has the opposite karmic effect and brings bad luck and may even result in a rebirth as someone blind or crippled.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:24 PM

View PostTimonthy, on 20 April 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

I'd prefer to be a good person because I'm a good person.

Being good because of fear? Do explain.
People pray to God not because of fear. They seek for guidance and comfort and the bless.

Yes, people fear for having bad luck, for having accident, for having deceased family member. So? Is wrong to hope for comfort? Or life is just about having money, buy life assurance?

Edited by FlyingAngel, 20 April 2013 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

View PostGirlfromOz, on 19 April 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

He was there at the beginning of time.He created man in his own image.Man was created in God's image.
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if god made man in his image, then the almighty must be small.
with a poor imagination.
and an ape.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:00 PM

View Postshrooma, on 20 April 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

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if god made man in his image, then the almighty must be small.
with a poor imagination.
and an ape.
So you say poor imagination. You must know a better solution and imagination. Enlighten me





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