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#106    laver

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:18 AM

View Postjaylemurph, on 10 January 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

Goodness! You know Jesus sufficiently well to confirm Mary Magdalen was his "companion" /and/ that he was "clearly aware" of junk science?

There are well-learned folk who aren't even certain he really existed, so I'd love to know how you got the opportunity to grokk with The Man, Jr. Time travel? Psychic union with his transtemporal soul? Or did you get a hold of some manner of secret document the rest of us aren't privy to?

..or maybe you were just playing a little fast and loose and blurred the difference between what you know and what you believe to be true?

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Ancient texts that have come to light in recent years refer to Mary as the 'companion' of Jesus and his confidant in matters that he did not discuss with the rest of the disciples. This is now well known although there were clearly attempts to cover up their close relationship from early times. Even the biblical texts make her the apostle to the apostles.
The 'secret document' you refer to seems to be ancient landscape geometry which ties into the biblical accounts


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:48 AM

View Postlaver, on 12 January 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

Ancient texts that have come to light in recent years refer to Mary as the 'companion' of Jesus and his confidant in matters that he did not discuss with the rest of the disciples. This is now well known although there were clearly attempts to cover up their close relationship from early times. Even the biblical texts make her the apostle to the apostles.
The 'secret document' you refer to seems to be ancient landscape geometry which ties into the biblical accounts

The ancient text to which you refer is the Gospel of Mary, and it's well understood. The best-preserved version is found in Berlin and the gospel belongs to the Gnostic tradition. It was found in Egypt a long time ago.

That the early Roman Catholic Church did not canonize this gospel is no secret. Very little of the Gnostic tradition ended up in the "official" version of the Christian Bible. This particular gospel dates to some time in the mid- to late-second century CE, so as with nearly all scriptures in the Christian tradition, it considerably post-dates the life of Jesus. In other words, it can no more be used as evidence for the historicity of Jesus as seen in the Bible as any of the other gospels can. It's part of an early religious tradition, but is not verifiable history.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:04 AM

View PostDraconisnova, on 10 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

Hi all, nice forum :yes:

The seven is a perfect number, that's why is is the number of God, for help understand the number 7, pick up a dice, the 7 is repeat 3 times in the dice, this is the reason of the creation of the dice the way it is.

On the opposite side of number 1 you have number 6
on the opposite side of number 2 you have the number 5
on the opposite side of number 3 you have number 4

6+1=7
5+2= 7
4+3= 7

In the dice or cube, you have represented the corner stone rejected by man, 4 elements, the number of men (6) and the sacred number of God trinity (7).
The number 6 is related to men, because man was created at sixth day, (666) 3 times the creation of man. God rests from is creation at the 7 day.

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Interesting stuff, did not know that. What is the origin of the dice, must be very old?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:13 AM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 11 January 2013 - 02:28 AM, said:

7 = three on one side, one in the middle (perhaps wearing a crown), and three on the other side..

Like the menorah sign you mean?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:17 AM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 11 January 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

It might be simple but its still special... :D

But why is it so special from the earliest of times? and why was it 'the' number of the Book of Revelations?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:21 AM

In the ancient  Roman calendar, December was the tenth month of the year as decem in latin means ten. The Roman
calendar began on what we now call  March 25th. Making march the 1st month, april the 2nd month, may the 3rd
month, june the 4th month, july the 5th month, august the 6th month,
SEPTEMber the 7th month (as septem in latin is seven)  gregorian calendar it is the 9th month), OCTOber the 8th month (as octo in latin means eight) gregorian calendar it is the 10th month), NOVEMber the 9th month (as novem in latin means nine)gregorian
calendar it is the 11th month), and finally DECEMber the 10th month (as decem in latin means ten) gregorian calendar it is the 12th month).

So the sun god s' energy begins to "create" vegetation for 6 months at the spring equinox (march ) . On the 7th
month, the fall equinox  (september) libra the scales or balance),  the sun god dips below the equator and he appears to be resting as his energy becomes weak and  vegetation starts to wither and die. ( the sun god jesus cursing the fig tree causing it to wither and
die comes to mind).

Here we have the year divided, 6 months of beneficient suns energy (good), and 6 months of weak sun energy
marked by the constellation Libra (the scales), the 7th month of the year, SEPTEMber, whereas vegetation or crops if you will, die.
(evil). (Halloween in symbolic of this death and is 40 days after the autumnal equinox). (40 days after the spring
equinox is May Day or if we go 40 days passed march 25th we have cinco de mayo).

Edit: punctuation

Edited by Hazrus, 12 January 2013 - 05:23 AM.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:46 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 12 January 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

The ancient text to which you refer is the Gospel of Mary, and it's well understood. The best-preserved version is found in Berlin and the gospel belongs to the Gnostic tradition. It was found in Egypt a long time ago.

That the early Roman Catholic Church did not canonize this gospel is no secret. Very little of the Gnostic tradition ended up in the "official" version of the Christian Bible. This particular gospel dates to some time in the mid- to late-second century CE, so as with nearly all scriptures in the Christian tradition, it considerably post-dates the life of Jesus. In other words, it can no more be used as evidence for the historicity of Jesus as seen in the Bible as any of the other gospels can. It's part of an early religious tradition, but is not verifiable history.

From memory there are other Gnostic texts which may shed light on the role of Mary of Magdala in the story of Jesus. Thomas/Phillip?
These texts seem to have about as much 'historical' validity as the bible accounts.
Mary, from biblical references, has close links to the number 7 which must have been included for a reason?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:59 AM

View PostHazrus, on 12 January 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

In the ancient  Roman calendar, December was the tenth month of the year as decem in latin means ten. The Roman
calendar began on what we now call  March 25th. Making march the 1st month, april the 2nd month, may the 3rd
month, june the 4th month, july the 5th month, august the 6th month,
SEPTEMber the 7th month (as septem in latin is seven)  gregorian calendar it is the 9th month), OCTOber the 8th month (as octo in latin means eight) gregorian calendar it is the 10th month), NOVEMber the 9th month (as novem in latin means nine)gregorian
calendar it is the 11th month), and finally DECEMber the 10th month (as decem in latin means ten) gregorian calendar it is the 12th month).

So the sun god s' energy begins to "create" vegetation for 6 months at the spring equinox (march ) . On the 7th
month, the fall equinox  (september) libra the scales or balance),  the sun god dips below the equator and he appears to be resting as his energy becomes weak and  vegetation starts to wither and die. ( the sun god jesus cursing the fig tree causing it to wither and
die comes to mind).

Here we have the year divided, 6 months of beneficient suns energy (good), and 6 months of weak sun energy
marked by the constellation Libra (the scales), the 7th month of the year, SEPTEMber, whereas vegetation or crops if you will, die.
(evil). (Halloween in symbolic of this death and is 40 days after the autumnal equinox). (40 days after the spring
equinox is May Day or if we go 40 days passed march 25th we have cinco de mayo).

Edit: punctuation

The importance of the solar year is clear from very early times not only the solstice but equinox times seem to have been considered very
significant. The equinox half way point, time of balance and harmony, yin and yang?


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:40 AM

The mystery is why people try to make such things as numbers have importance. It's a number.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:54 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 12 January 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

The mystery is why people try to make such things as numbers have importance. It's a number.

You might be right. But certain numbers have had a huge influence on humankind and 7 is one of them some would say the most important one.
We all live to a 7 day week time cycle, why? This cycle of time goes back to thousands of years BCE and as a cycle indicates a beginning and
an end, an Alpha and an Omega, a start and finish. 7 may be the number of completion of a cycle. 7 is the number of the last book of the bible
Revelations and at the very beginning of the bible we have creation described as a 7 day process with the 7th day being Holy a time of rest as the works
were completed.
So you might be wrong maybe the number 7 is much more than just a number.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:10 AM

Bit more about 7: http://en.wikipedia....142857_(number)

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Edited by Abramelin, 12 January 2013 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:41 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 12 January 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

Will have a look, all thoughts are gratefully recieved even if they challenge accepted ideas, actually particularly if they do!


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

View PostDraconisnova, on 10 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

Hi all, nice forum :yes:

The seven is a perfect number, that's why is is the number of God, for help understand the number 7, pick up a dice, the 7 is repeat 3 times in the dice, this is the reason of the creation of the dice the way it is.

On the opposite side of number 1 you have number 6
on the opposite side of number 2 you have the number 5
on the opposite side of number 3 you have number 4

6+1=7
5+2= 7
4+3= 7

In the dice or cube, you have represented the corner stone rejected by man, 4 elements, the number of men (6) and the sacred number of God trinity (7).
The number 6 is related to men, because man was created at sixth day, (666) 3 times the creation of man. God rests from is creation at the 7 day.

Nice forum

Be well

As an adept craps player I can relate to the mathematical odds of throwing dice, seven being the most common combination, and probably where it gets it's reputation as a lucky number, but beyond that I don't see much relation to god other than coincidence that similar numbers are used in old bible legends. In fact, a seven-out at the end of a roll is often called the "devil".

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostSlate, on 13 January 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

As an adept craps player I can relate to the mathematical odds of throwing dice, seven being the most common combination, and probably where it gets it's reputation as a lucky number, but beyond that I don't see much relation to god other than coincidence that similar numbers are used in old bible legends. In fact, a seven-out at the end of a roll is often called the "devil".

Interesting. Knowing nothing about Craps the number 7 seems very important particularly at the beginning and end of a cycle in this case a game. The number 7 does feature strongly in time cycles throughout history and prehistory so interesting things to consider in seeing if there is a Mystery in the number 7


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:13 AM

It may be worth noting that the links between Mary of Magdala and the number 7 are quite strong.

Two books of the bible Luke 8 and Mark 16 associate her with this number and the ancient landscape geometry of the Holy Land and eastern Mediterranean links her town on the shores of the Sea of Galilee - Magdala - to the cities of Revelation detailed at the start of Revelations. This is achieved by a Great Circle bearing line. There are 7 cities of Revelation and the number 7 is 'the' number of the book with over 50 entries.

7 is a number of 'completeness' which with Revelations being the last book of the bible and a prophecy of things to happen 'hereafter' must be a clue to the reason it gets so great a mention in this text.





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