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[Myles]

AsteroidX, on 18 December 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

I think your missing some of the conversation aztec. We are talking about 100% voluntary SAFE zone turn in were questions are not asked so even an illegal gun owner could turn in a gun without risk of arrest.

Its really not about gun control. Or crime rates. Its just doesnt my violate my Constitutional Rights to do it.

One benefit I see is that it would give people who no longer want their gun or have a gun they would like to get rid of an outlet.

[AsteroidX]

Yes. It would take little management as there would be no records as it is voluntary and safe. Only need a few drop off spots or a small group that goes from town/city once a month or something like that and then there destroyed/ sold to Mexico or made into scrap to build other things.

Its about getting the gun control mongers happy then hopefully there can be a serious discussion about what is the cause of these mass shooting. IMO that would be about medicating our children so often and heavily.

[Sakari]

aztek, on 18 December 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

it has been proven to be a faluire to stop crime. hard data proves it. no crime drop=falure. that is all there is to it.

i will keep my guns, but you feel free to give yours away, in fact you should, i actualy think all of you antiguners should never touch a gun, it will be absolutely useless in your hands anyway, and most likely will end up in wrong hands.
since you blame everyone\everything aroud, but not the shooter, i'd say concept of personal responcibuility is alien to you.

As said, talk is of a voluntary sale....Personally, I only have 2 now, a pistol and a 12 gauge....The rest were stolen in Nevada ( nice arsenal ).....

Whether I had them all, or what I have, I would not be in that line.

But, their could be grandmas and such that have no need for their guns, and can get them to a safer place then their closet...


I would still like to see a HUGE crackdown on illegal guns, marshal law for a few weeks in LA and such....Go get em'

[Coffey]

Going to add this to the discussion:

http://en.wikipedia....mbria_shootings

A case that wasn't made into a big deal for some reason^ only 2 years ago in the UK.

A report backing up exactly what I was saying before:

http://www.usatoday....ldwide/1776191/

Nothing to do with gun laws, it's to do with culture etc.

if you think the US having similar gun laws to the UK will change things, then you are wrong. In fact it might even make the situation worse.

Also like to add, that if they make stricter gun laws I hope the police are part of these laws.

[aztek]

Myles, on 18 December 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

Whoa there fellow.   I'd already said I would not give mine away.   Why do you have a problem with a voluntary program?    It helps ease the anti-gun tension.   Isn't that what you want?

lol, it may ease tensions, but it doesn't do what it is was put in place to do, reduce crime. it just doesn't.
do you really think any of those school shooters, would just give up their guns, and shooting would not happen??? in fact most didn't even have guns untill shortly before they decided to shoot up the school. it is not like that had stockpile and one day though, let me go and use it someplace, no, they aquired guns with intent to kill.
first was intent, than they got guns, take intent away, and even 100 guns in their rooms would not hurt anyone.

Edited by aztek, 18 December 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[aztek]

Myles, on 18 December 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

One benefit I see is that it would give people who no longer want their gun or have a gun they would like to get rid of an outlet.

anyone who no longer wants a gun should go to gun shop and sell it, fill out application to get that gun removed from your records. only an idiot would go to such buy back programms to give up their legal gun. it wont be removed from your record. also i have no faith that those guns will not end up stolen from police, and used in crime, it has happened before. than yuou'll be in uncomfortable spot explaining how your regestered gun ended up in crime. i don't belive for 1 second cops will go thru trouble to trace each serial to remove it from records, after all it is Anonymous program.

Edited by aztek, 18 December 2012 - 07:40 PM.

[Sakari]

aztek, on 18 December 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

anyone who no longer wants a gun should go to gun shop and sell it, fill out application to get that gun removed from your records. only an idiot would go to such buy back programms to give up their legal gun. it wont be removed from your record. also i have no faith that those guns will not end up stolen from police, and used in crime, it has happened before. than yuou'll be in uncomfortable spot explaining how your regestered gun ended up in crime. i don't belive for 1 second cops will go thru trouble to trace each serial to remove it from records, after all it is Anonymous program.

You just hit on something....

I had guns stolen, the police said I would never see them again most likely...If used in a crime, they do not return them to rightful owner.

So, if my stolen guns are taken to one of these things, I still do not get my stolen guns back......Not liking that idea.

[AsteroidX]

Would selling guns back to gun dealwers voluntarily make the anti gun mongers happy ? I dont think thats visible enough for them right now.

[aztek]

AsteroidX, on 18 December 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Would selling guns back to gun dealwers voluntarily make the anti gun mongers happy ? I dont think thats visible enough for them right now.

we want to reduce crime, not please clueless gun mongers.

[Michelle]

Coffey, on 18 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Going to add this to the discussion:

http://en.wikipedia....mbria_shootings

A case that wasn't made into a big deal for some reason^ only 2 years ago in the UK.

A report backing up exactly what I was saying before:

http://www.usatoday....ldwide/1776191/

Nothing to do with gun laws, it's to do with culture etc.

if you think the US having similar gun laws to the UK will change things, then you are wrong. In fact it might even make the situation worse.

Also like to add, that if they make stricter gun laws I hope the police are part of these laws.

It wasn't made a big deal out of because the UK is the beacon for which the liberals/media aspire to be when it comes to gun laws. They can't openly put a blemish on the facade... a perfect fantasy world without guns.

[Wickian]

Personally, I think getting concealed weapons into the hands of lawful citizens is a better reaction than stricter gun laws.  Criminals can always steal a gun and go on a shooting rampage, so all the restricting gun laws in the world are completely pointless.

[AsteroidX]

Really. Whos sponsoring the new AWB ?

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Opponents of the ban claimed that its expiration has seen little if any increase in crime, while Senator Diane Feinstein claimed the ban was effective because "It was drying up supply and driving up prices." ^[6]

[Sakari]

Wickian, on 18 December 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Personally, I think getting concealed weapons into the hands of lawful citizens is a better reaction than stricter gun laws.  Criminals can always steal a gun and go on a shooting rampage, so all the restricting gun laws in the world are completely pointless.

[Beckys_Mom]

Some have said, the mother is to blame because she took her son to shooting ranges ..  Thing is , many parents have taken their kids along to shooting ranges, but it doesn't make them killers..

[F3SS]

AsteroidX, on 18 December 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

I think your missing some of the conversation aztec. We are talking about 100% voluntary SAFE zone turn in were questions are not asked so even an illegal gun owner could turn in a gun without risk of arrest.

Its really not about gun control. Or crime rates. Its just doesnt my violate my Constitutional Rights to do it.

That sounds fine, but anyone who owns a legal gun and wants to get rid of it can either turn it into the police or sell it legally in a variety of ways already. While disposing of illegal guns no questions asked sounds ok at first thought you need to consider how many murder weapons and general gun crime related firearms would be disposed of. What I'm saying is it's an easy way for criminals to get rid of the evidence. Sure, that's better than them keeping it but it also may enable them to never get caught. Just some things to be concerned about is all.

Wickian, on 18 December 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Personally, I think getting concealed weapons into the hands of lawful citizens is a better reaction than stricter gun laws.  Criminals can always steal a gun and go on a shooting rampage, so all the restricting gun laws in the world are completely pointless.

Yep. The fact that where this shooting and the Batman theater shooting and many others I'm sure took place ARE GUN FREE ZONES doesn't play into the anti-gun argument. Criminals obviously ignore laws and guns will never disappear, illegal or not. So the only thing I'd like to add to the gun control debate is that more people should have them. One or two armed persons in that school may not have stopped everything but I'd bet far fewer than 26 people would have died.