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scowl, on 10 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

They are large animals with apparently large brains. They need lots of food and water. They need large shelters every day. They sleep. They crap. They have to leave traces. Animals this large are not easily hidden.

Okay. So lets say that apparently that they do have large brains. I live in a remote area in North Carolina. There is SO much forest area where I live. If they have large brains, then why couldn't they be smart enough to evade detection? There is a lot of diversity among organisms and food sources here. I could go out and survive in the woods here seemingly forever if i could evade cold and disease. And squatch have fur anyways.Why do they need large shelters? They could live in trees just as easily as we can. Yes, you are in fact correct that they sleep. So lets say that they do leave traces, how many people can say that they have successfully covered every square inch of soil on the earth. there will be traces and some of these have already been found.

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scowl, on 10 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Even creatures as smart as us haven't been able to evade us. Fugitives with survival skills have tried to evade capture by living in the forests for months in the hope that authorities would give up. The first thing they learn is there isn't a lot of food out there most of the year. Second, they learn that if you don't build a fire, you're going to waste a lot of energy staying warm. Third, they learn that getting water exposes you since a lot of human activity takes place around water.

When they're captured, they're usually near starvation.

True. But in these instances, we have known the overall location of these fugitives, what they looked like, and where to look for them, none of which we concretely know of bigfoot. Also, the reason they are starving is because 1. they didnt know how to survive or didnt know the territory they were in, or 2. they didnt have the proper weapons and resources in the area in which they  were hiding such as a suburban area. And as i said, here there is an abundant source of food year round if you know how to use it.

Edited by BNDGK, 13 December 2012 - 03:31 PM.

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BNDGK, on 13 December 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

True. But in these instances, we have known the overall location of these fugitives, what they looked like, and where to look for them, none of which we concretely know of bigfoot.

That's not the point. The point is that large-brained creatures cannot survive in the forest all year unless they hibernate or migrate during the winter.

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Also, the reason they are starving is because 1. they didnt know how to survive or didnt know the territory they were in, or

If you think there is tons of food for the taking in a forest during the winter, you need to learn more about the wilderness. Bears gorge themselves and hibernate because during the winter there simply isn't any food that they can digest. This is simply the only way that Bigfoot could possibly survive.

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2. they didnt have the proper weapons and resources in the area in which they  were hiding such as a suburban area.

So Bigfoot builds weapons for hunting? Why haven't we found these?

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And as i said, here there is an abundant source of food year round if you know how to use it.

That is completely untrue. I would invite you to come to the Northwest with a warm coat and spend a winter in one of our forests. You'll find nothing but indigestible vegetation and some roots (some poisonous, some not) to live on. You can hunt game which is not something Bigfoot would be physically good at. A lumbering bipedal nine foot creature is not about to sneak up on large animals.

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psyche101, on 13 December 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Or a sheep farm. Sheep are small and are more easily preyed upon. I have stumbled across many a skeleton on creek banks and in sheep paddocks. Sheep are easy to spot too, the wool blows around and makes quite a nasty mess.

Have you ever tried to catch a single sheep in a field? They can run circles around you if they feel threatened. I can't imagine big ol' Bigfoot chasing after one of these.

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Domesticated animals are not too difficult to capture I would think, especially if you consider Bigfoots to be the masters of stealth that they seem to be or are alleged to be. I seriously doubt there's a great deal of chasing involved, but then that's my best guess.

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psyche101, on 13 December 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Creeks and river banks - freshwater of course and with steep banks. When drought hits and they dry up a bit animals try to get to water and often take a fall breaking a leg or something, or can get stuck in mud.

Or a sheep farm. Sheep are small and are more easily preyed upon. I have stumbled across many a skeleton on creek banks and in sheep paddocks. Sheep are easy to spot too, the wool blows around and makes quite a nasty mess.

Yeah I guess you're right. Artificial mounds or in high remote places would be out of the question. I figure if I post enough I'll accidently be right about something eventually  

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scowl, on 13 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

So Bigfoot builds weapons for hunting? Why haven't we found these?

Bigfoot and hunting weapons? What would we look for? A rock? A bow and arrow? A long spear fashioned from a perfectly straight green tree branch stripped of limbs suspended in the air by a stick structure? Bah humbug. Proof nor evidence of anything that can't be easily debunked or replicated by a hoaxer. Only a body will do, end of story.

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Unfortunately, until there is a body or something tangible for scientist to verify I see no end to the debate myself. I don't like the idea of having to shoot one to validate them as a species but by the same token I see nothing else that will serve as proof of existence either.

As far as tool use goes, right now all I've ever heard of is rock throwing and maybe a stick used for tree knocking.......I have to admit the tree knocking thing might have some validity based on ape studies and some aboriginal tribe studies, but other than that I've seen nothing that indicates Bigfoots use tools.

Edited by keninsc, 13 December 2012 - 09:23 PM.

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keninsc, on 13 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Domesticated animals are not too difficult to capture I would think, especially if you consider Bigfoots to be the masters of stealth that they seem to be or are alleged to be. I seriously doubt there's a great deal of chasing involved, but then that's my best guess.

There was some chasing the last time I tried to bring a friends sheep in from grazing! I thought it would let me just guide him in but it got leery of me as soon as I got within twenty feet him. After about ten minutes, I was able to scare the stupid thing into moving in the direction of the barn but they sure don't come like pets if you call them. Once we got him into the barn, it was completely passive, like a different animal while we sheered him.

I can't picture a Bigfoot sneaking up to a sheep very often unless they're really sneaky. Of course I wasn't trying to be sneaky by treating it like a pet.

Also a Bigfoot would need at least a sheep every week to survive the winter if it doesn't hibernate. That's a lot of sheep!

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I'd think a Bigfoot would be good at it and they'd most likely do this at night. I've never been good at catching sheep either and when I do catch one my buddy accusses me of doing terrible things with it. However, most farmer and herders I know of.......at least in the southeast, usually pen or barn up livestock at night, so myt guess is that's going to make it a little tougher for a Bigfoot to get them.......unless he has a set of keys.

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I've noticed that a good place for Bigfoot to hunt game would be disused farms. There are lots of them here in rural Oregon. The wildlife finds them and they become natural zoos. Animals like elk and deer roam into the land that livestock used to graze on and cohabitate peacefully. Since the fences work on most sides, they're protected from normal predators like wolves and coyotes so the populations get surprisingly large. It really looks like someone is raising exotic animals.

If Bigfoot got in there, he could stock up for the winter. Or get trampled.

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scowl, on 13 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

That's not the point. The point is that large-brained creatures cannot survive in the forest all year unless they hibernate or migrate during the winter.



If you think there is tons of food for the taking in a forest during the winter, you need to learn more about the wilderness. Bears gorge themselves and hibernate because during the winter there simply isn't any food that they can digest. This is simply the only way that Bigfoot could possibly survive.



So Bigfoot builds weapons for hunting? Why haven't we found these?



That is completely untrue. I would invite you to come to the Northwest with a warm coat and spend a winter in one of our forests. You'll find nothing but indigestible vegetation and some roots (some poisonous, some not) to live on. You can hunt game which is not something Bigfoot would be physically good at. A lumbering bipedal nine foot creature is not about to sneak up on large animals.

I believe that you, my friend, have never been to North Carolina in the winter. It is a commonly known fact that bears in these mountains in fact do not hibernate. The temperature during winter in Western North Carolina does not get low enough in most winters, to cause the bears here to hibernate.

In the case of the weapons, i dont have an answer for you other than you can kill animals with rocks just as easy as you can with a gun or bow. Also, they could use traps. If you were walking in the woods and found a rock sitting on top of a stick (an old sprung trap for example) would you take any special notice?? Or if you saw a rock on the side of the trail, would you immediately think "Bigfoot?"

Also, when i mentioned the food, you are correct in that I have never been to the Northwest. I actually was only talking about where I live. I may not have been correct in talking about the northwest, but here, the winter is not bad, as i have said, and there is plenty of available food. Squirrels. rabbits, and other larger game are available year round. Also, there is an abundance of nuts, and fungi. And as 'keninsc' has said, they are alleged to be stealthy.

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BNDGK, on 13 December 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Okay. So lets say that apparently that they do have large brains. I live in a remote area in North Carolina. There is SO much forest area where I live. If they have large brains, then why couldn't they be smart enough to evade detection? There is a lot of diversity among organisms and food sources here. I could go out and survive in the woods here seemingly forever if i could evade cold and disease. And squatch have fur anyways.Why do they need large shelters? They could live in trees just as easily as we can. Yes, you are in fact correct that they sleep. So lets say that they do leave traces, how many people can say that they have successfully covered every square inch of soil on the earth. there will be traces and some of these have already been found.

Here's the problem with the "bigfoot is so smart, he evades detection" argument.  A creature cannot simultaneously be so smart that it is able to evade capture and any sort of attempt to verify its existence but also so colossally stupid that there are "thousands" of sightings of it by ever Tom, Dick, and Harry who wanders into a forest.  you can't have it both ways.  If it is smart enough to evade detection then there should never be any sightings.  Similarly if it is dumb enough to be sighted so often, then it should be dumb enough to be caught.

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orangepeaceful79, on 14 December 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Here's the problem with the "bigfoot is so smart, he evades detection" argument.  A creature cannot simultaneously be so smart that it is able to evade capture and any sort of attempt to verify its existence but also so colossally stupid that there are "thousands" of sightings of it by ever Tom, Dick, and Harry who wanders into a forest.  you can't have it both ways.  If it is smart enough to evade detection then there should never be any sightings.  Similarly if it is dumb enough to be sighted so often, then it should be dumb enough to be caught.

Very true. however; who says that every sighting is a true sighting? But let me just say that I am not a true believer nor a true nonbeliever. I just think that there is a possibility but i cant say for sure. That is a very great point though.

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BNDGK, on 13 December 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Okay. So lets say that apparently that they do have large brains. I live in a remote area in North Carolina. There is SO much forest area where I live. If they have large brains, then why couldn't they be smart enough to evade detection?

One Bigfoot could evade detection. A hundred Bigfoots could not. Bigfoot is not just one creature roaming around America. There must be a sizeable population otherwise they would become extinct. How else can you explain so many alleged sightings?

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There is a lot of diversity among organisms and food sources here. I could go out and survive in the woods here seemingly forever if i could evade cold and disease.

Only if you hunted or if you gathered and stored food from the spring and summer. If you went out into the Pacific Northwest forests (where Bigfoot is constantly reported) right now you would be near death within a month. I went on a 14 mile hike out there this weekend. Even with the moderate temperatures this season there are no food sources other than some green leaves and some mushrooms. I have a large book on edible plants and I'm constantly looking for them when I'm hiking since they're an indication that there might be wildlife nearby.

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And squatch have fur anyways.Why do they need large shelters?

Hey, bears have fur too. Why do they need shelters? Because even they need protection from predators and the elements. Also don't forget that baby Bigfoots could not be nine feet tall when they are born so they also need protection when mama Bigfoot is asleep or out hunting.

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They could live in trees just as easily as we can.

Who are all these people you know living in trees? Everyone I know lives on the ground because humans aren't nature's best tree climbers. Our feet don't have the medial break that lets apes grip onto branches with their feet. Take a look a alleged Bigfoot prints. How does a 500 pound creature bipedal creature with 18 inch flat feet climb trees?

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Yes, you are in fact correct that they sleep. So lets say that they do leave traces, how many people can say that they have successfully covered every square inch of soil on the earth. there will be traces and some of these have already been found.

No traces have been found. That's the problem.