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#31    Imaginarynumber1

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:12 AM

View Postsam12six, on 17 December 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

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I know a lot of inanimate objects that will not be happy soon....

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:14 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 17 December 2012 - 03:12 AM, said:

I know a lot of inanimate objects that will not be happy soon....

It should be OK in Japan. Most of their inanimate objects are engineered specifically for that purpose. :gun:


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:47 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 16 December 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Any scientist who genuinely believes the world is only 8000 years old deserves to be stripped of their degree.
We have RECORDED HISTORY that goes back further then that.

No we don't.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 12:51 AM

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

No we don't.
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What is your evidence?  "No we don't." Is not an answer.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:06 AM

View PostSetton, on 16 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

If these people are scientists as you claim, I've no doubt you can give us some names and papers.

Dr. Carl Werner rec'd his undergraduate degree in biology with distinction at the University of Missouri, graduating summa cum laude. He rec'd his doctoral degree in medicine at the age of 23 and received the Norman D. Jones Science Award. He has written Evolution: The Grand Experiment-The Quest for an Answer.


If you go to either "Answers In Genesis" web site or "Creation Research Institute" there are a lot of books by scientific Christians. Morris (I can't remember all his name) has written several excellent books. He is already passed away but his book are still excellent. Oh, I found his name --- Dr. Henry Morris.

There is Michael J. Oard who is a meteorologist with the National Weather Service, Montana. He received his masters in atmospheric science from the University of Washington. He has written, An Ice Age Caused by the Genesis Flood.

There is a dentist who got interested in fossilized bones and traveled the world and took pictures in caves of dinosaur drawings and humans hunting them. Can't remember his name; but I think his book is titled Buried Alive.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:09 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 18 December 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

What is your evidence?  "No we don't." Is not an answer.
You started it. You show me your evidence that there is recorded history that goes back further than 8,000.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:12 AM

View PostArbitran, on 16 December 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

The Creation Research Institute and Answers in Genesis are not run by scientists. They are not scientific organizations. They do not have any credible support from scientists, from any field, let alone fields which would be relevant to this topic. You're getting your information from highly, highly dubious sources.

Did I say they were scientists? I thought I was saying they are the resources where you can find material written by scientific Christians.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:39 AM

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Dr. Carl Werner rec'd his undergraduate degree in biology with distinction at the University of Missouri, graduating summa cum laude. He rec'd his doctoral degree in medicine at the age of 23 and received the Norman D. Jones Science Award. He has written Evolution: The Grand Experiment-The Quest for an Answer.


If you go to either "Answers In Genesis" web site or "Creation Research Institute" there are a lot of books by scientific Christians. Morris (I can't remember all his name) has written several excellent books. He is already passed away but his book are still excellent. Oh, I found his name --- Dr. Henry Morris.

There is Michael J. Oard who is a meteorologist with the National Weather Service, Montana. He received his masters in atmospheric science from the University of Washington. He has written, An Ice Age Caused by the Genesis Flood.

There is a dentist who got interested in fossilized bones and traveled the world and took pictures in caves of dinosaur drawings and humans hunting them. Can't remember his name; but I think his book is titled Buried Alive.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Papers by Carl Werner: None
(ETA: Could you explain what the Norman D. Jones Science Award is? I've never heard of it and a google search only returns pages about Carl Werner.)

Papers by Henry Morris: 101 results returned. None outside the field of medicine.

Papers by Michael J. Oard: None.

In short, most of your 'scientists' have no peer-reviewed published works and, even if they did, their fields are totally unrelated to the topics they are attempting to cover. This is becoming such a common problem it would be laughable if it didn't fool so many people. The best one I heard of recently was the economist trying to discredit a paper on climate change.

A word to everyone but especially scientists -  stick to what you're good at. Or if you want to comment on something, learn about it first.

Being a 'scientist' does not make you the authority on everything as the knowledge gained through academia is highly specialised.

Edited by Setton, 18 December 2012 - 01:43 AM.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:55 AM

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:55 AM

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

No we don't.
God bless.
Yes we do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18000_BCE

Sir, I am Catholic.
I teach science to children. I teach history to children. This cosmos of ours is full of things I don't even pretend to understand and I'm more then happy to say "well God's got it under control".

But something I do know, is that the world of ours is ancient. It's older, stranger and more wonderful then answers in Genesis wants us to believe. it's older stranger and more wonderful then you, I and any expert from Carl Sagan to Doctor Bob the Science guru will ever be able to understand, and it's certainly older, stranger and more wonderful then could fit into a mere 8,000 years of history.

Edited by Wearer of Hats, 18 December 2012 - 01:59 AM.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:01 AM

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

No we don't.
God bless.

I beg to differ. As would the rest of us.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:13 AM

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Did I say they were scientists? I thought I was saying they are the resources where you can find material written by scientific Christians.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Material by 'scientific Christians' doesn't cut it; anymore than materials written by 'scientific Muslims' should interest me. They are equally meaningless (and, 99% of the time, utterly wrong). Claiming to be "scientific" doesn't mean much of anything unless you're actually a scientist. And when you throw in the religious titles into things, it certainly brings the credibility bar down a few notches.

Try to realize it's all within yourself / No-one else can make you change / And to see you're really only very small / And life flows on within you and without you. / We were talking about the love that's gone so cold and the people / Who gain the world and lose their soul / They don't know they can't see are you one of them? / When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind / Is waiting there / And the time will come / when you see we're all one and life flows on within you and without you. ~ George Harrison

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:53 AM

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Dr. Carl Werner rec'd his undergraduate degree in biology with distinction at the University of Missouri, graduating summa cum laude. He rec'd his doctoral degree in medicine at the age of 23 and received the Norman D. Jones Science Award. He has written Evolution: The Grand Experiment-The Quest for an Answer.

I have Setton's same suspicion: I've never heard of the 'Norman D. Jones Science Award', nor can I find any information whatsoever about it. I see no evidence at all that it even exists. And he clearly can't be very distinguished in his alleged fields, or else perhaps I'd be able to locate some shred of information about him that isn't on a creationist propaganda website.

http://www.arroganta...-part-1-of-3/p1

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

If you go to either "Answers In Genesis" web site or "Creation Research Institute" there are a lot of books by scientific Christians. Morris (I can't remember all his name) has written several excellent books. He is already passed away but his book are still excellent. Oh, I found his name --- Dr. Henry Morris.

Morris was an engineer; hardly an appropriate field to discuss the subjects he attempted to.

http://evolutionwiki...ic_Creationism"

http://www.talkorigi...owgood-c14.html

http://rationalwiki....Henry_M._Morris

Again, Answers in Genesis and ICR are not scientific organizations; they are simply creationist propaganda websites. They have no credible or accurate information whatsoever.

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

There is Michael J. Oard who is a meteorologist with the National Weather Service, Montana. He received his masters in atmospheric science from the University of Washington. He has written, An Ice Age Caused by the Genesis Flood.

Also not a credible source, since Oard's materials have been refuted, as with all these creationist propagandists, ad nauseam.

http://evolutionwiki...t_Track_Follies

View PostCopen, on 18 December 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

There is a dentist who got interested in fossilized bones and traveled the world and took pictures in caves of dinosaur drawings and humans hunting them. Can't remember his name; but I think his book is titled Buried Alive.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Jack Cuozzo. He's an alright orthodontist, but hardly an authority on his chosen subject matter (Neanderthals).

http://www.talkorigi.../cuozzo_cg.html

Edited by Arbitran, 18 December 2012 - 02:54 AM.

Try to realize it's all within yourself / No-one else can make you change / And to see you're really only very small / And life flows on within you and without you. / We were talking about the love that's gone so cold and the people / Who gain the world and lose their soul / They don't know they can't see are you one of them? / When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind / Is waiting there / And the time will come / when you see we're all one and life flows on within you and without you. ~ George Harrison

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:20 AM

Was one of these Dinosaurs Big and Purple ,and named Barney ? :clap:

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:51 AM

the only big, purple dinosaur that matters is Megatron from Transformers: Beast Wars.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.




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