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[AsteroidX]

We live along alligators and turtles still today so the answer is yes.

[Abramelin]

AsteroidX, on 17 December 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

We live along alligators and turtles still today so the answer is yes.

They are not and never were dinosaurs.

[kampz]

Arbitran, on 17 December 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Here's what five minutes' worth of research found on the Acámbaro figurines (yes, I had heard of them; just wasn't sure what you were talking about before):

http://detecting.org...and_Frauds.html

http://www.badarchae...om/?page_id=348

Yes, large birds have always been reported; first consider: do you realize just how hard it is to just the size of an aerial object, such as a bird? I get average crows around my house every single day that look like eagles or vultures from some angles when they're in flight. Reports of giant birds don't interest me in any great way.

And yes, there have been reports too of pterosaur- and plesiosaur-like animals; I find it suspicious that these reports only seem to appear after the discovery of pterosaurs and plesiosaurs. (Dragons and sea serpents don't count, sorry; pterosaurs aren't even slightly similar to the rather vivid descriptions given of dragons, and plesiosaurs would, without doubt, have been found by now if they persisted to modern day.)

In 5 minutes you would see that there's a lot more to it.

You should understand you're not those people. I've seen many different sizes of airplanes in the sky at different heights. I can estimate well enough. It's not wise to judge/assume and I've never seen a "thunderbird". Birds slightly interest me.

Well do you think humans existed before pterosaurs and plesiosaurs? You assume that reports came after the discovery of those animals.

Edited by kampz, 17 December 2012 - 09:09 AM.

[AsteroidX]

I can marry my cousin. Well 2nd cousin so Im gona with yes we do live with dinosaurs.

http://dinosaurs.abo...rocodilians.htm

[Abramelin]

AsteroidX, on 17 December 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

I can marry my cousin. Well 2nd cousin so Im gona with yes we do live with dinosaurs.

http://dinosaurs.abo...rocodilians.htm

Those who promote the idea that humans lived alongside dinosaurs most always mean sauropods and raptors (think "Jurassic Park").

But if you consider crocodiles and turtles to be these dinosaurs because they are related or have a common origin, then you could also mention birds.

[AsteroidX]

touche and you are correct birds.

You could even add small species of mammals into that as well but I am very not up to my info that bit.

Did we as Lucy type humans live alongside dinosaurs as we see in the old Black and White movies. I dont belive that.

[CRIPTIC CHAMELEON]

I'm not sure but does camping at loch ness count after all nessie is supposed to be a plesiosaur.  

[Arbitran]

kampz, on 17 December 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

In 5 minutes you would see that there's a lot more to it.

You should understand you're not those people. I've seen many different sizes of airplanes in the sky at different heights. I can estimate well enough. It's not wise to judge/assume and I've never seen a "thunderbird". Birds slightly interest me.

Well do you think humans existed before pterosaurs and plesiosaurs? You assume that reports came after the discovery of those animals.

I may not be those people, but as a biologist, I've seen my fair share of birds, from all over the world. It's difficult to judge size at a distance, and especially so in the sky, if one is not trained to know what one is looking at.

And no, of course humans did not exist before pterosaurs and plesiosaurs; that's asinine. I don't assume that the reports come after the discovery of those fossils; I've studied this to a significant extent, and have found no compelling accounts of pterosaur- or plesiosaur-like creatures which did not occur after the discovery of pterosaur and plesiosaur fossils.

[Arbitran]

Abramelin, on 17 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

But if you consider crocodiles and turtles to be these dinosaurs because they are related or have a common origin, then you could also mention birds.

Well, if we're calling every organism with a common origin to the clade Dinosauria a 'dinosaur', then every organism on Earth is a 'dinosaur'. Except... that isn't the case. Crurotarsians such as crocodylians and their relatives, while related closely to dinosaurs, simply do not qualify. They are archosaurs, yes, but not dinosaurs. Birds, on the other hand, are, indeed, full-fledged dinosaurs in their own right.

[Arbitran]

AsteroidX, on 17 December 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

touche and you are correct birds.

You could even add small species of mammals into that as well but I am very not up to my info that bit.

Did we as Lucy type humans live alongside dinosaurs as we see in the old Black and White movies. I dont belive that.

No, australopithecines never saw any non-avian dinosaurs; given they evolved roughly 60 million years after the non-avian dinosaurs... you know, 'went the way of the dinosaur'...

[Arbitran]

CRIPTIC CHAMELEON, on 17 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'm not sure but does camping at loch ness count after all nessie is supposed to be a plesiosaur.  

Plesiosaurs were not dinosaurs, as a note. And as another note, the Loch Ness Monster mythos has evolved significantly over the years; originally it was a mythic kelpie (a ghost horse that lived in the loch and carried anyone who tried to ride it to their watery death), then it was a sea serpent-like creature, like a giant snake or worm, and then after the discovery of plesiosaurs and other prehistoric aquatic animals, then we find that the mythos describes it as such...

[FurthurBB]

Harsh86_Patel, on 07 December 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

My point was there was no new gene that had '"evolved".I have no beef with variation and natural selection,but these processes leading to class transitions is something i can't digest.

Well new genes do evolve or sometimes just old genes evolve new roles, but the only thing that leads from one 'class' to the next is a whole lot of allelic frequency changes and natural selection over a long period of time.

[spikeman25]

Umm you do realize that if man coexisted with dinosaurs we would be extinct too. Herp derp

[Quaentum]

spikeman25, on 20 December 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Umm you do realize that if man coexisted with dinosaurs we would be extinct too. Herp derp

Oh heavens no.  Just go to the creation museum and you can see that they were pets to us and we rode them like horses.  

[spikeman25]

Lol @ creationism