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#31    Leonardo

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 06:12 PM

The argument that prostitution is fine because it is a choice (presuming it is a choice) ignores the reason why it is a viable choice.

The customers, mainly men, effectively use the prostitute as a m********ion aid. There is no difference in the physiological effect than if they sat at home and got themselves off. You might argue there is a difference in the psychology of the encounter, but to that I would argue then those customers need to get out and find themselves actual girlfriends and/or boyfriends with whom they can have a psychologically-sound sexual relationship.

The vast majority of the customers of a prostitute do not require sex, they require counselling.

I know there will be arguments along the lines of "Yeah, but this is the real world we live in." Well, in the real world people who have emotional, social or psychological difficulties do get counselling. In the real world the customers of the prostitute also have choices, hopefully made in the direction that benefits themselves, rather than prolongs the issues causing them to seek the emptiness of paying money for sex.

Edited by Leonardo, 30 May 2012 - 06:14 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:44 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 30 May 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

The argument that prostitution is fine because it is a choice (presuming it is a choice) ignores the reason why it is a viable choice.

The customers, mainly men, effectively use the prostitute as a m********ion aid. There is no difference in the physiological effect than if they sat at home and got themselves off. You might argue there is a difference in the psychology of the encounter, but to that I would argue then those customers need to get out and find themselves actual girlfriends and/or boyfriends with whom they can have a psychologically-sound sexual relationship.

The vast majority of the customers of a prostitute do not require sex, they require counselling.

I know there will be arguments along the lines of "Yeah, but this is the real world we live in." Well, in the real world people who have emotional, social or psychological difficulties do get counselling. In the real world the customers of the prostitute also have choices, hopefully made in the direction that benefits themselves, rather than prolongs the issues causing them to seek the emptiness of paying money for sex.

Of course that's the way it works in the real world...... Whenever i get a bit horny i head down to the local psychiatrists. It costs more then a hooker but you really get screwed hard


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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:25 PM

View PostEldorado, on 30 May 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

Would you tell your kids you're a whore who'll do whatever the customer asks as long as the price is right?

Serious questions, my friend... no offence intended etc.

Would you advise your teenage daughter that it's a great career?

No offence taken :D

Well as I said I do know a few ladies "in this industry" due to my friend who runs the business, and the ladies I know keep their work life and home life separate, as I try to do myself. The people I know are not promiscuous in their home lives, and of course they have no reason to be as they have plenty at work. If I was making ten grand a week, I would think that it woud not be hard to keep my profession private. The Ladies of the night that I have met will not do whatever the customer asks as long as the price is right, they still have rules and some very large Maori men who will be more then happy to go visit any unruly customer who is at all confused with "the rules". These guys seem to have a way with "convincing" the client that the rules must be followed.
So no, others do not tell their kids, and the sensitive nature of the profession is not for kids, just like I doubt a mortician comes home and discusses his day over the family dinner table. Not to mention I think that exposing minors to the harsh realities of the sex industry is illegal.

Would I advise a teenage daughter that it is a great career?
No again, of course not, as I said earlier it takes a certain person who wants to work in that industry, the right mentality, a brutal business sense, and all importantly a goal. Lets face it, it is not a life long career choice. As such, that decision has to be an individual one because as much as I love and care about my daughter, she has certain decisions she has to make for herself. I mentioned a stripper who was using the money to fund her studies as a medical GP. If my daughter came to me and said she was in the industry, putting herself through Uni, and would be a surgeon in a few years, I would have to consider her life choice as valid, and I would have to support her, and if it meant she could study whilst enjoying living in a fine penthouse and driving a 2,00,000 dollar car, and dining at the finest restaurants, who am I to take that from her? But if she was doing it for drugs, I would sign papers to have her forcibly committed. High class prostitutes (who tend to command this sort of money) get to service the celebrity industry, imagine of you could have your favourite actress pay you for sex after taking you out for a nice dinner!!
So and decision would be subjective to the situation at hand. Each case is individual that is why I suspect prostitution has always gone in the too hard basket.

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:32 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 30 May 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

The argument that prostitution is fine because it is a choice (presuming it is a choice) ignores the reason why it is a viable choice.

The customers, mainly men, effectively use the prostitute as a m********ion aid. There is no difference in the physiological effect than if they sat at home and got themselves off. You might argue there is a difference in the psychology of the encounter, but to that I would argue then those customers need to get out and find themselves actual girlfriends and/or boyfriends with whom they can have a psychologically-sound sexual relationship.

The vast majority of the customers of a prostitute do not require sex, they require counselling.

I know there will be arguments along the lines of "Yeah, but this is the real world we live in." Well, in the real world people who have emotional, social or psychological difficulties do get counselling. In the real world the customers of the prostitute also have choices, hopefully made in the direction that benefits themselves, rather than prolongs the issues causing them to seek the emptiness of paying money for sex.

Indeed, as such, who is using who?

This makes me think that we have the entire mentality regarding the sex industry backwards?

With regards to "choice" that is where I agree completely, and that is why it is hard to police. When it is not a choice it is a serious crime, but honestly, I do not think it would be all toot difficult to distinguish the two.

Some people just cannot get sex, weight, looks, disabilities etc. Those people would appreciate these ladies immensely I think.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:32 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 30 May 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

Some people just cannot get sex, weight, looks, disabilities etc. Those people would appreciate these ladies immensely I think.

Aren't you confusing sex with love, comfort, etc?

While the customer of a prostitute may delude themselves they are being loved, or comforted, that delusion only feeds the issues which drove them to pay for sex in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I don't regard sex as something dirty or empty. But I do feel that sex is only truly fulfilling and comforting when undertaken with another who you at least have feelings of attraction to, and reciprocates those feelings. Some people lack the self-esteem (for various reasons, some of which you outline above) to share themselves with another they care for or are attracted to, but that is an issue that would be better they face up to rather than hide from.

The prostitute does not engage in sex because she or he is attracted to her or his customer and so the 'relationship' is entirely one-sided. In that situation any sense of satisfaction the customer has is purely physical and never emotional.

Prostitution offers nothing that a relationship with someone who cares for you can, and that sense of emotional fulfillment is what people seek. Even the simple expression of lust is more satisfying in a relationship of true attraction, but does the prostitute really offer a satiation of lust any more satisfying than self-satisfaction does?

Edited by Leonardo, 31 May 2012 - 10:34 AM.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:09 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 30 May 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

No offence taken :D

So and decision would be subjective to the situation at hand. Each case is individual that is why I suspect prostitution has always gone in the too hard basket.

Cheers.  I'm a live and let live kinda guy so I agree in "each to their own".

I wouldn't indulge personally as sex is part of love, imo.  Not really a fan of "casual" relationships... or quickies.  They lack emotion.


btw... would you marry one and be cool with her keeping her job?  (jokin)

Edited by Eldorado, 31 May 2012 - 11:27 AM.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 03:45 PM

I'm actually surprized by the number of men who feel that sex without love is 'lacking'. Usually it's the women who voice this opinion.

As to my feelings regarding the world's 'oldest profession', it will never be stopped, might as well be legalized. As to my feelings if I'd appove of my daughter taking up this profession, Hell, No!

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:10 PM

View PostEldorado, on 31 May 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:




btw... would you marry one

Wouldn't bother me if it was a previous job, and not a current one...the only thing I would want to know about the previous job is the same thing I would want to know about them in general - what was the motivation....everything else can be worked out in life, and dealt with, but motivation is a pretty good benchmark for someone's character, if I could understand the motivation, then it's all cool with me.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:26 PM

I wonder if the people in this industry would be in the industry if it was only making 20$ an hour. Funny what money can do to people


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 05:52 PM

Since our earliest ancestors climbed down from the trees females found that if they bent over for the male with the most berry's she might survive another winter, prostitution is probably a natural state for humans.
The love thing is erroneous, what if you never fall in love? how long do you stay with a partner before you decide if you've fallen in love or not, sex is good for your well being whether your in love or not.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 06:27 PM

OK.. not necessarily love.. liking someone a lot.

You can't "snuggle" after sex with a practical stranger.  Least i can't.

Edited by Eldorado, 31 May 2012 - 06:28 PM.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:42 PM

10 grand a week? ..does she plan to retire in 6 months? ....i hope so :)

i know a chick who sells herself, makes copious cash.. then shoots it all up her arm.. her apartment is a mess, her cat was almost starving (many times) and pet birds often die in her care.. she stinks too. i've also seen a pen drawn tattoo on her that's been there for what seems like months.

who in their right mind is paying for that?

who in their right mind is employing her?

i like how reverand lovejoy quipped "once the government approves something it's no longer immoral"

something is not right in all this :(

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:52 PM

View Postunit, on 31 May 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:



something is not right in all this :(

Aye, your pal seems to have a well dodgy pimp...


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostEldorado, on 31 May 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

OK.. not necessarily love.. liking someone a lot.

You can't "snuggle" after sex with a practical stranger.  Least i can't.
One things for sure, it's complicated or should i say "complex" :yes: how much do you have to like them?  i like some people straight away, i've even experienced love at first sight.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:52 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 31 May 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Aren't you confusing sex with love, comfort, etc?

While the customer of a prostitute may delude themselves they are being loved, or comforted, that delusion only feeds the issues which drove them to pay for sex in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I don't regard sex as something dirty or empty. But I do feel that sex is only truly fulfilling and comforting when undertaken with another who you at least have feelings of attraction to, and reciprocates those feelings. Some people lack the self-esteem (for various reasons, some of which you outline above) to share themselves with another they care for or are attracted to, but that is an issue that would be better they face up to rather than hide from.

The prostitute does not engage in sex because she or he is attracted to her or his customer and so the 'relationship' is entirely one-sided. In that situation any sense of satisfaction the customer has is purely physical and never emotional.

Prostitution offers nothing that a relationship with someone who cares for you can, and that sense of emotional fulfillment is what people seek. Even the simple expression of lust is more satisfying in a relationship of true attraction, but does the prostitute really offer a satiation of lust any more satisfying than self-satisfaction does?

Hi Leonardo

No, not at all, I see what you mean, but I am not talking about people who cannot get sex needing the companionship of a member of the opposite sex. Companionship I think does not necessarily need to have sex as a part of it. But it sure is nice to have both. I am speaking of testosterone, lust, just a basic need. We are one of the few (apparently) species that enjoy sex for pleasure. Everyone likes pleasure, and nobody likes to miss out. Some people seem to have higher drives than others, and it is something you see on movies, on TV, heck almost in public these days. I cannot believe that a person could look at the opposite sex of the species for a lifetime and not wonder what's it like.
Then you have your isolated people like work camps in the middle of nowhere. Australia has such places, and many stories of busloads of prostitutes heading out to them to make a killing. We all like a good time, and sex is awful nice to have, but these men also have no need or want for a permanent relationship, they are there to get the job done and wish to feel human from time to time. Personally, nothing on earth makes one more aware of their own presence than sex.
I understand why sex is so well policed, and I agree that is a good thing. It can be as damaging as it can be beneficial, but that is why I say, it takes a certain type of person to be able to be a prostitute, and to be perfectly honest, in the cases I have mentioned I think it is an informed decision that can greatly benefit all parties. I would hate to take that away from anyone and am not sure we have the right to do so.

Cheers.

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