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#16    Royal

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:14 AM

Consider this scenario: When the polar ice melts away( which it is at a much accelerated rate than a natural cycle) the cooler ocean waters will interrupt the ocean temperature conveyor systems like the Gulf Stream, vastly affecting the prime agricultural regions on earth. Famine and disease will impact everyone.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:08 AM

Does anyone know what companies Rep. Dana Rohrabacher holds shares in? My guess is he owns some that might not benefit from regulations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:29 AM

View Postdarkmoonlady, on 12 August 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

How is it that people who apparently cannot seem to grasp science are on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology? Also why are they listening to Alex Jones?

And your idea of "science" is perhaps an opinion article in the Huffpost or a propaganda film by Al Gore?

Fact is the "climate policy" (note that they have dropped the "global warming" already; it is better to bet on both horses) is a political project first and foremost.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 13 August 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

And your idea of "science" is perhaps an opinion article in the Huffpost or a propaganda film by Al Gore?

Fact is the "climate policy" (note that they have dropped the "global warming" already; it is better to bet on both horses) is a political project first and foremost.

And your idea of "science" is perhaps listening to someone who most likely can’t pass a high school science literacy test.

I don’t think “they” called it global warming in the first place. It was the news and opinion article that termed it global warming not scientist. This is like saying that scientist stopped calling the higgs boson particle, the god particle; they never did in the first place. Now scientist may have started referring to climate change as global warming because the idiot people had no idea what the scientist were talking about if they didn’t.

Science is science and should be left to real scientist who don’t have a political agenda.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 07:22 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 13 August 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

And your idea of "science" is perhaps an opinion article in the Huffpost or a propaganda film by Al Gore?

Fact is the "climate policy" (note that they have dropped the "global warming" already; it is better to bet on both horses) is a political project first and foremost.

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That it is a link from Huffington Post doesn't negate the statement he made, it was on video. He said it and meant it so where it came from is moot. The only folks who believe in an offset carbon tax scheme by All Gore can be directly traced to Alex Jones and he isn't a scientist. Here is the original article with original wording exposing that countries that are growing economically like India are still not attempting to find alternate clean energy sources and are heavily relying on coal and other CO2 heavy fossil fuels. Its easy to twist things you don't bother to read for yourself and just believe some conspiracy theory. The truth is I listen to Alex Jones and he's a master at only paying attention to what he THINKS the truth is not the facts of the actual story.
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Posted 13 August 2013 - 07:49 AM

This is one issue that I part company with most, perhaps all other Pagans on. Global warming is indeed a fraud, in the sense that there is no good evidence that humans are causing, and some very convincing evidence that similar, and even greater levels of warming have happened in the past as part of the natural cycles of the earth and sun. The medieval warming period is one example often cited, but much better than this is the Bronze Age, during which it was so much warmer that areas of the British Isles that, even today, are boggy wastelands, were under intense cultivation, full of species that couldn't live here any more.

Global warming is also a fraud in another sense, a literal fraud, with its proponents fudging and making up data to suit their agenda, as has been proven in a number of cases now. The motivation is also clear, because funding soon dries up to any scientist who dare to deny global warming.

The fundamental prerequisites of life are heat and water. So why is it regarded as a bad thing if we become warmer and wetter? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Having said all of the above I am, most certainly, an environmentalist.


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:59 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 13 August 2013 - 01:41 AM, said:

What is needed is a discussion of how fast things will change and what we will do about it.
What we could do about it is just be better custodians of the planet.  We can also learn how to adapt to Gaia and her cycles.  Pull back coastal communities or develop domed cities in those areas.  Enclose estuaries.  There are all sorts of things like this that can be done rather than pouring trillions down the drain trying to prevent something that we can’t.  We have the technology to engineer our existence rather than something on the level of terra-forming (i.e. we’re not even yet a Type I Civilization).

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:20 PM

View PostRoyal, on 13 August 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

......) the cooler ocean waters will interrupt the ocean temperature conveyor systems like the Gulf Stream, ......
it has already happened

Edited by aztek, 13 August 2013 - 01:21 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

The "Natural Cycles" argument is a convenient cop out which allows people to ignore the reality without actually explaining what is happening. Nothing is without cause and there is no such thing as a causeless natural cycle.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:49 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 August 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Nothing is without cause and there is no such thing as a causeless natural cycle.

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that is retarded, earth goes thru cycles for millions of years, regardless of humans. it is a fact.
there is a cause , but apperantly too complex for you to grasp, since you can't phantom that humans are not the only force on earth.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:56 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 August 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

That the warming is anthropomorphic is a reasonable connection with the fact that CO2 levels are increasing and are lab demonstrated to be a potent greenhouse gas and that the only source of this CO2 is us.
I’ll agree that people are fooled to believe that it is reasonable but being demonstrated in the lab is hardly proof.  Animals and plants at night give off CO2 too, so we are not the only source.  In the distant past, there has been a lot more life on this planet, increasing the level of CO2.  What is reasonable to believe is that we are speeding up the rate of CO2 into the atmosphere.  So we have to ask, is it at a rate faster than the Earth can absorb and is this rate change really changing the natural cycles?  At this point, it is indeterminate.

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I think flooding major cities and river deltas is a bad thing.
Yes, that is a bad thing however it is also historical.  We have found long lost ancient cities submerged and we have remains of ancient coastal cities that are now high and dry.  Was Man able to prevent that?  Atlantis was probably a story of one of these.  Satellite technology has found remains of all kinds of ancient features.  Some claim that the Garden of Eden has been found just outside of Basra, in the Persian Gulf because satellites had found the remains of two ancient rivers converging on the Tigris and Euphrates.  The Sahara turns into a marsh every 26,000 years.  We are discovering evidence of climate change all the time, everywhere.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:27 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 August 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

The cheapest solution is to go nuclear, supplemented by solar and a little by the  other technologies that get so my hype.  
Fission is not the answer.  Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and now Fukushima.  France gets like 70% of her energy from Fission.  She is a time bomb waiting to go off.  If you are concerned with Anthropomorphic Climate Change, we get a few more like these and you might just have it.  What is needed is Fusion.  Fusion is clean.  When we become a Type I civilization, then our energy needs will be met.  Dependence on carbon based fuels will drop, but this won’t change Global Warming.  We might even see a trend to Global Cooling before we reach that point.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:36 PM

View PostElfin, on 13 August 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

This is one issue that I part company with most, perhaps all other Pagans on. Global warming is indeed a fraud, in the sense that there is no good evidence that humans are causing, and some very convincing evidence that similar, and even greater levels of warming have happened in the past as part of the natural cycles of the earth and sun. The medieval warming period is one example often cited, but much better than this is the Bronze Age, during which it was so much warmer that areas of the British Isles that, even today, are boggy wastelands, were under intense cultivation, full of species that couldn't live here any more.

Global warming is also a fraud in another sense, a literal fraud, with its proponents fudging and making up data to suit their agenda, as has been proven in a number of cases now. The motivation is also clear, because funding soon dries up to any scientist who dare to deny global warming.

The fundamental prerequisites of life are heat and water. So why is it regarded as a bad thing if we become warmer and wetter? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Having said all of the above I am, most certainly, an environmentalist.
I was hoping someone would bring up the warming cycles. A friend of mine has often said that, since we didn't keep accurate records on weather temperature except for the last 100? 200? years, we don't know if what we experience now is a regular cycle. We do know the earth goes through regular warming/cooling cycles. I think this is an excellent post of yours. Kudos to you.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:40 PM

View PostRoyal, on 13 August 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

Consider this scenario: When the polar ice melts away( which it is at a much accelerated rate than a natural cycle) the cooler ocean waters will interrupt the ocean temperature conveyor systems like the Gulf Stream, vastly affecting the prime agricultural regions on earth. Famine and disease will impact everyone.
This is a bit alarmist in that this isn’t the only scenario.  Shutting off the conveyor would depend on the rate of ice water being introduced into the system.  And if that turns agricultural regions to desert, then deserts can just as easily turn into agricultural areas.  It’s a crap shoot but Earth is still a system that works to stay in balance.  It doesn’t like quick changes but is Man capable of making these quick changes?  Other than an all out nuclear war, I don’t think Man can.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:48 PM

View PostGummug, on 13 August 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

I was hoping someone would bring up the warming cycles. A friend of mine has often said that, since we didn't keep accurate records on weather temperature except for the last 100? 200? years, we don't know if what we experience now is a regular cycle. We do know the earth goes through regular warming/cooling cycles. I think this is an excellent post of yours. Kudos to you.

Well, she's right.
How do we know this isn't something the earth goes through every couple of hundred years? There have been many different points in history where we have experienced cooling off and warming up. There is a good documentary called Little Ice Age: Big Chill that talks about the Times in the past the earth has cooled off, and then warmed back up.






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