Austria 'to build Italy border fence'

[Still Waters]

Austria may build a border fence at a crossing with Italy, a provincial police chief has said.

The 400m fence would be located at the Brenner crossing in Tyrol, the Tiroler Tageszeitung newspaper reported.

Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said closing the Brenner pass would go "shamelessly" against European law as well the continent's past and future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-36152927

[+Hammerclaw]

MENDING WALL

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,

And spills the upper boulders in the sun,

And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.

The work of hunters is another thing:

I have come after them and made repair

Where they have left not one stone on a stone,

But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,

To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,

No one has seen them made or heard them made,

But at spring mending-time we find them there.

I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;

And on a day we meet to walk the line

And set the wall between us once again.

We keep the wall between us as we go.

To each the boulders that have fallen to each.

And some are loaves and some so nearly balls

We have to use a spell to make them balance:

'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'

We wear our fingers rough with handling them.

Oh, just another kind of out-door game,

One on a side. It comes to little more:

There where it is we do not need the wall:

He is all pine and I am apple orchard.

My apple trees will never get across

And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.

He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.

Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder

If I could put a notion in his head:

'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it

Where there are cows?

But here there are no cows.

Before I built a wall I'd ask to know

What I was walling in or walling out,

And to whom I was like to give offence.

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,

That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,

But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather

He said it for himself. I see him there

Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top

In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.

He moves in darkness as it seems to me~

Not of woods only and the shade of trees.

He will not go behind his father's saying,

And he likes having thought of it so well

He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors." Robert Frost

[questionmark]

so, these Austrians suppose that people who have walked for hundreds of miles to get to central Europe will shy from walking an extra mile to get around the fence?

Maybe we have to remind them that most people use a considerably bigger part of their brain then they themselves.

[Deleted]

1. Austria elected a Nazi as president - Hofer(he says he wants to dismiss the government so a new nazi government can isntalled, he is part of a group which celebrates hitlers birthday, in parliament his party wore the blue rose; a symbol for nazis. His Party was formed by a former SS member)

2. Austria's government in fact is right, even though they cliam not to be, they as for today abolished the right for asylum more or less

3. yeah they want to built a fence

4. Probably more to come in the next months

Edited April 27, 2016 by hellwyr

[MissJatti]

The Great Fence of Austria

[questionmark]

1. Austria elected a Nazi as president - Hofer(he says he wants to dismiss the government so a new nazi government can isntalled, he is part of a group which celebrates hitlers birthday, in parliament his party wore the blue rose; a symbol for nazis. His Party was formed by a former SS member)

2. Austria's government in fact is right, even though they cliam not to be, they as for today abolished the right for asylum more or less

3. yeah they want to built a fence

4. Probably more to come in the next months

Let's see how they try to convince us this time that he really is German....

[Michelle]

Fences are going up all over Europe. Here's a map...

http://www.businessinsider.com/map-refugees-europe-migrants-2016-2?r=UK&IR=T

[Deleted]

Fences are going up all over Europe. Here's a map...

http://www.businessi...016-2?r=UK&IR=T

It would be wrong to say the refugees crisis is dividing them, in fact they allready were divided in their head, the economic and refugee crisis is just bringing to light what was allready there.

[Michelle]

It would be wrong to say the refugees crisis is dividing them, in fact they allready were divided in their head, the economic and refugee crisis is just bringing to light what was allready there.

Yeah, they were just looking for an excuse to close those borders.

As the EU struggles to handle its refugee crisis, passport-free travel across the region is under threat.

To say that the European Union’s open border policies are embattled is an understatement. Increasingly, it looks like they could be on the way out for good.

On Monday, Belgium announced that it had reintroduced border controls on its frontier with France. Over in Denmark, the government agreed on Tuesday to extend its policy of passport checks on the German border for the third time, while Sweden has kept similar checks for travelers arriving from Denmark. Austria has already built a wall at its busiest frontier crossing with Slovenia, and last Friday it introduced a cap of 80 asylum applications per day, after which its border would be closed to further applicants.

cont...

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/02/european-union-open-border-belgium-checks-syrian-refugee-isis/470733/

[Deleted]

Nationalism is nothing new, there are a lot of parties in the EU who are trying to leave the EU for nationalistic reasons, those parties and their ideas aren't new, they are existing since the founding of the EU. And in face of a crisis people tend to show their true colors.

[Michelle]

Nationalism is nothing new, there are a lot of parties in the EU who are trying to leave the EU for nationalistic reasons, those parties and their ideas aren't new, they are existing since the founding of the EU. And in face of a crisis people tend to show their true colors.

Now, because of the migrant crisis, they have a lot more people who concede open borders were not such a good idea.

[questionmark]

Now, because of the migrant crisis, they have a lot more people who concede open borders were not such a good idea.

As soon as 20% of them loose their jobs because freight is again bottled up on the borders that will change again.

[Deleted]

The crisis is nothing surprising, it was forseeable, still the memberstates weren't able to form a collective european solution. If they would have acted as an entity as an united Europe, they could have avoided the whole Situation by formulating a plan as how to cope with refugees and immigrants. Now they start to work against eachother, this takes me to another interesting point;

if Trump comes to power, he will close all oversea bases in Europe, this in return will lead to more distabilisation globally and Europe might do what they have always done; wageing war against eachother.

[Deleted]

As soon as 20% of them loose their jobs because freight is again bottled up on the borders that will change again.

You might think people react that rationally, but in reality they will blame immigrants for that situation, and rightextremism will get another boost and propably it all will become a lot more violent in the future.

Edited April 27, 2016 by hellwyr

[questionmark]

The crisis is nothing surprising, it was forseeable, still the memberstates weren't able to form a collective european solution. If they would have acted as an entity as an united Europe, they could have avoided the whole Situation by formulating a plan as how to cope with refugees and immigrants. Now they start to work against eachother, this takes me to another interesting point;

if Trump comes to power, he will close all oversea bases in Europe, this in return will lead to more distabilisation globally and Europe might do what they have always done; wageing war against eachother.

Well, no matter who comes to power, what I see is that within the next 5 years we will see who will be the "United States of Europe" and who will be a little speck on the map. And, believe it or not, there are many countries in Europe that are still willing to go that way... despite a few who would like the good old carnage back.

And another thing: the closure of the French and Belgian borders has nothing to do with refugees, it has something to do with the current terrorist activities in France and Belgium and will be lifted as soon as the state of emergency is lifted in those countries.

And make no mistake: there is only one beneficiary should the USE (United States of Europe) fail: he sits in Moscow.

Edited April 27, 2016 by questionmark

[Deleted]

Well, no matter who comes to power, what I see is that within the next 5 years we will see who will be the "United States of Europe" and who will be a little speck on the map. And, believe it or not, there are many countries in Europe that are still willing to go that way... despite a few who would like the good old carnage back.

And another thing: the closure of the French and Belgian borders has nothing to do with refugees, it has something to do with the current terrorist activities in France and Belgium and will be lifted as soon as the state of emergency is lifted in those countries.

And make no mistake: there is only one beneficiary should the USE (United States of Europe) fail: he sits in Moscow.

There is no beneficiary only losers if that happens, believe me Moscow's trade with China is booming, Moscow is repositioning herself towards Asia. A weak Europe would also be bad for Moscow. Moscow's problem is not the "strength" of Europe but the US influance. They of course would like to have influance in Europe, but an economical weak and destablized Europe would also be a disaster for them.

[questionmark]

A weak Europe extends Putin's hegemony over the border of Ukraine, forget trade, think power play.

Edited April 27, 2016 by questionmark

[Deleted]

A weak Europe extends Putin's hegemony over the border of Ukraine, forget trade, think power play.

It is true to some extend, but no one needs to have influance on a backwater region and if the EU keeps going this distructive path, I am afraid even Moscow won't give a **** anymore

[questionmark]

It is true to some extend, but no one needs to have influance on a backwater region and if the EU keeps going this distructive path, I am afraid even Moscow won't give a **** anymore

Well, Putin is the "best friend" of all those with separatism feelings (I.e. Orban, Bachman[Pegida] and so on), he does not do that for the hell of it or to kill some time.

[Deleted]

Well, Putin is the "best friend" of all those with separatism feelings (I.e. Orban, Bachman[Pegida] and so on), he does not do that for the hell of it or to kill some time.

Yeah he does that in hope of some Kind of reward like power and influance. But he won't get it, cause he is backing the wrong horse. The US did the same mistake with the Muhajhideen, which became the Taliban and then ISIS. I just don't see this strategy working for Putin.

Edited April 27, 2016 by hellwyr

[likwidlite]

A large percentage of these refugees aren't refugees at all. They are economic migrants trying to get to the countries that offer the most freebies. This a well documented Fact. Another well documented fact is that isis said they would use "refugees" as a weapon to cause humanitarian and economic choas across europe. In light of this information surely its common sense to have a some sort of border control in place.

[Deleted]

Nope it is not a fact, while there are indeed migrants fleeing from poverty; they enter Europe in hope of a new life and work and not because of some weird fantasy like "freebies" (depending on benefits can hardly be decribed as beeing a good life, since you just get enough to survive, there is noone who wants to live that way) Of course there should have been an European plan, which the EU however failed to formulate due to its memberstates' nationalism.

Edited April 27, 2016 by hellwyr

[likwidlite]

Yes it is a fact! It is document in countless sources from left, right and middle, MSM and independent. You either a, choose to ignore this b, are too stupid to understand it or c deny facts. Which one is it? Also has it ever crossed your mind that the people of Europe just might not want them?

[questionmark]

Yes it is a fact! It is document in countless sources from left, right and middle, MSM and independent. You either a, choose to ignore this b, are too stupid to understand it or c deny facts. Which one is it? Also has it ever crossed your mind that the people of Europe just might not want them?

Which people of Europe? The 50% who are donating money and time to help them or the 20% who set refugee housing on fire?

[likwidlite]

Or the eleventy sixth percent of the stats you just made up. Id suggest you chose. The b option.