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#106    mrbasserby

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 April 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

By the way, if you are going to translate, it would avoid a lot of ridicule if you didn't try to use King James English

the main problems of why ppl misunderstood islam because the wrong explnations of quran they explain it and translated it wrongly ..


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:04 PM

The same sort of thing is usually said by Christians about the Bible


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:26 PM

View Postmrbasserby, on 30 April 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Allah (god) said in quran :

وَالَّذِينَ جَاهَدُوا فِينَا لَنَهْدِيَنَّهُمْ سُبُلَنَا ۚ وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَمَعَ الْمُحْسِنِينَ [٢٩:٦٩]
And those who strive in Our (cause),- We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right.

in meaning those who strive to find the truth for sure god will guide them to the truthful ways in other words they will find it .
if you really want the truth you must strive and use your mind becuse not every one deserve to be guided if they dont do extra offer to seek for it ..
as i said before some ppl like you reach a level of the truth that they can't handle it anymore so you decided to choose  being  atheist  and in return god guided you in this way you want ...

You DO know that that argument can be turned on its head??

Perhaps ppl like me have reached the ultimate truth - that there is NO God and therefore any actions I take cannot be blamed on any Doctrinal imperitives. That I am in control of my life and ultimate destiny. If I go to war then it is because I am in peril of losing something personal such as family, not because in some obscure Abrahammic Tome I am told that I have to destroy people not of my Faith.

In my "belief system" I do not judge others by the colour of their skin, gender, religious or sexual orientation, but on whether they are "Good" people who cause no intentional harm to other members of Society at large. I am not a Communist, or Fascist. I believe there MAY be some kind of existence after death, but I most certainly do not believe that there is any Religious component to it, if it exists.

If at the end of my life I find out that I was wrong, then I will simply say "well, I wouldn't want to be a member of Your club". What would I do with 47 Virgins anyway? Perhaps my Virgins would not be too pleased with ME as a trophy... enforced prostituion is against what I hold dear in my life - no matter who the Pimp is.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

Perhaps Atheism is a route to a personal, and doctrine free, relationship with God?
A God-free relationship with God even ;)
I'm of the opinion that all belief systems are describing the indescribable anyway (that hoary old thing of the blind men describing an elephant).

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:36 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 30 April 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

You DO know that that argument can be turned on its head??

Perhaps ppl like me have reached the ultimate truth - that there is NO God and therefore any actions I take cannot be blamed on any Doctrinal imperitives. That I am in control of my life and ultimate destiny. If I go to war then it is because I am in peril of losing something personal such as family, not because in some obscure Abrahammic Tome I am told that I have to destroy people not of my Faith.

In my "belief system" I do not judge others by the colour of their skin, gender, religious or sexual orientation, but on whether they are "Good" people who cause no intentional harm to other members of Society at large. I am not a Communist, or Fascist. I believe there MAY be some kind of existence after death, but I most certainly do not believe that there is any Religious component to it, if it exists.

If at the end of my life I find out that I was wrong, then I will simply say "well, I wouldn't want to be a member of Your club". What would I do with 47 Virgins anyway? Perhaps my Virgins would not be too pleased with ME as a trophy... enforced prostituion is against what I hold dear in my life - no matter who the Pimp is.

maybe you smarter than me maybe you have brilliant mind and logical understanding but there something you should know god don't care if you smart or wised man because no matter how you are intelligent if your intentions in the wrong path it would be difficult for you to return in the right path you may have full control in your mind but you can't control your heart look what Allah  said in Qur'an :

وَإِذْ قَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِ يَا قَوْمِ لِمَ تُؤْذُونَنِي وَقَد تَّعْلَمُونَ أَنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ ۖ فَلَمَّا زَاغُوا أَزَاغَ اللَّهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ ۚ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْفَاسِقِينَ [٦١:٥]
And remember, Moses said to his people: "O my people! why do ye vex and insult me, though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?" Then when they went wrong, Allah let their hearts go wrong. For Allah guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.

you see you cant control your heart only god does so  if you thinking you are confidence to know the ways of Guidance without the help from god then you never gonna reach it that's why so many great intelligent ppl eventually became  Atheists because they were confidence for sure that they can by understanding the truth  only by knowledge without any consideration for there hearts ..  god don't care if you handsome or smart or rich god only concern about you heart state and your intentions then he will decide if you heart deserve the Guidance of the right path but this is not means that i know what inside your heart sure i don't and i have no right to judge you no matter what is your believes  only god have this kind of authority on you  ..

by saying that you must understand god didn't created us for punishments ( hell ) or for Rewards  (heaven) god created all this universe for you and he created you for his sake to understand him to know his qualities and wills and if you truly understand and Appreciate him you would be the happiest person ever because this is the real Reward that god would give to anyone but only for who really deserve it but unfortunately most of us didn't  Appreciate him as he deserve as god said in Qur'an :

مَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَقَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ [٢٢:٧٤]
No just estimate have they made of Allah: for Allah is He Who is strong and able to Carry out His Will.

which mean is they didn't  estimate and Appreciate god and his capabilities truly as he deserve .

Satan before he became evil he was with angels those who Nearest to Allah  but this is not mean they were considered by Allah the Nearest by hearts .
and Allah support him with some capabilities of what angels had  but he was not angel from light he was angel with those who be made from fire , and when Allah created Adam
and ordered all angels including Satan to Oby Adam's leadership all angels didn't refuse the god's order except Satan as Allah said :


قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَن تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَيَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْتَ أَمْ كُنتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ [٣٨:٧٥]
When We said to the angels, "bow yourselves to Adam", they bowed themselves, but not Iblis (Satan) : he refused.

and god knows why Satan refused but even so god asked him in front of All angels :


قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَن تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَيَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْتَ أَمْ كُنتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ [٣٨:٧٥]
(Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan) ! What prevents you from bowing (bowing mean to Recognizes his leadership)  to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"

and look what was Satan response to Allah and said :
قَالَ أَنَا خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ خَلَقْتَنِي مِن نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُ مِن طِينٍ [٣٨:٧٦]
(Iblis)(Satan) said: "I am better than he: thou createdst me from fire, and him thou createdst from clay."

Satan thoughts that Allah's measures in Creatures qualities defined by their race Formation  and that's why Allah got angry on him and eventually Satan become and  considered to Allah the wicked one and led Satan's heart to go wrong way .

so whats the point of this story my point is don't be confidence of your thoughts as Satan was because Allah was knowing truly what Satan's heart intentions and he gave him what he deserve ..

Edited by mrbasserby, 30 April 2013 - 10:24 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:19 PM

hello lets continue :
now i told you before there is no such place that the light of sun don't disappear but the Qur'an says there is ..

in the poles the calculation of the day and night is different from  other places that near to the Equator as
scientists confirm that at the North Pole the Sun is constantly above the horizon during the summer months 187 days and horizon during the winter months 178 nights so that's mean the daylight in poles take almost 6 month and also the night takes almost 6 month .. Allah swore in the type of poles sky and describe it with the spinner type as Allah said:


وَالسَّمَاءِ ذَاتِ الْحُبُكِ [٥١:٧]
By the Sky with the spinner form (numerous Paths), ﴿٧﴾

إِنَّكُمْ لَفِي قَوْلٍ مُّخْتَلِفٍ [٥١:٨]
Truly ye are in a doctrine discordant, ﴿٨﴾

this is an image example of what Allah means in this type of the sky :

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as you can see the stars beautifully spins in circle formation so Allah call it  (the sky with the spinner type or form)
and  we know that the longest day and night occurred in poles but still the sun light in 6 month of night period will be gone this not the place that Allah was talking about lets see what Allah said about this place in  another  verse in Qur'an :


رَبُّ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ وَرَبُّ الْمَغْرِبَيْنِ [٥٥:١٧]
(He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests: ﴿١٧﴾

فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ [٥٥:١٨]
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? ﴿١٨﴾

this mean that this place have two sun set and two sun rise  in meaning if the sun sets in one side in the same time the sun will rise in the other side
also in poles if the sun rise in north pole  the sun set in south pole but this is two places not one its impossible to have two east and two west in The earth's surface in one place clearly Allah was talking about  what inside The earth's surface as Allah said :

لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا وَمَا تَحْتَ الثَّرَىٰ [٢٠:٦]
To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil.

so the Qur'an mentioned the hollow earth so many times but Muslims didn't understand the words of Allah correctly ..

to be continued
peace to you All.

Edited by mrbasserby, 01 May 2013 - 12:40 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

before i explain how the hollow earth have two east and two west i will put a statement from imam mahdi about the story in Qur'an of the Zul-qarnain and how he visited the hollow earth :

story of the Zul-qarnain trip as imam explained it


قال الله تعالى



بسم لله الرحمن الرحيم

﴿ وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنْ ذِي الْقَرْنَيْنِ قُلْ سَأَتْلُو عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْهُ ذِكْرًا ﴿83 ﴾ إِنَّا مَكَّنَّا لَهُ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَآَتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا ﴿84 ﴾ فَأَتْبَعَ سَبَبًا ﴿85 ﴾ حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِنْدَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَاذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَنْ تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَنْ تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا ﴿86 ﴾ قَالَ أَمَّا مَنْ ظَلَمَ فَسَوْفَ نُعَذِّبُهُ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّ إِلَى رَبِّهِ فَيُعَذِّبُهُ عَذَابًا نُكْرًا ﴿87 ﴾ وَأَمَّا مَنْ آَمَنَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُ جَزَاءً الْحُسْنَى وَسَنَقُولُ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِنَا يُسْرًا ﴿88 ﴾ ثُمَّ أَتْبَعَ سَبَبًا ﴿89 ﴾ حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَطْلِعَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ لَمْ نَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِهَا سِتْرًا ﴿90 ﴾ كَذَلِكَ وَقَدْ أَحَطْنَا بِمَا لَدَيْهِ خُبْرًا ﴿91 ﴾ ثُمَّ أَتْبَعَ سَبَبًا ﴿92 ﴾ حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ بَيْنَ السَّدَّيْنِ وَجَدَ مِنْ دُونِهِمَا قَوْمًا لَا يَكَادُونَ يَفْقَهُونَ قَوْلًا ﴿93 ﴾ قَالُوا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِنَّ يَأْجُوجَ وَمَأْجُوجَ مُفْسِدُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَهَلْ نَجْعَلُ لَكَ خَرْجًا عَلَى أَنْ تَجْعَلَ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَهُمْ سَدًّا ﴿94 ﴾ قَالَ مَا مَكَّنِّي فِيهِ رَبِّي خَيْرٌ فَأَعِينُونِي بِقُوَّةٍ أَجْعَلْ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ رَدْمًا ﴿95 ﴾ آَتُونِي زُبَرَ الْحَدِيدِ حَتَّى إِذَا سَاوَى بَيْنَ الصَّدَفَيْنِ قَالَ انْفُخُوا حَتَّى إِذَا جَعَلَهُ نَارًا قَالَ آَتُونِي أُفْرِغْ عَلَيْهِ قِطْرًا ﴿96 ﴾ فَمَا اسْطَاعُوا أَنْ يَظْهَرُوهُ وَمَا اسْتَطَاعُوا لَهُ نَقْبًا ﴿97 ﴾ قَالَ هَذَا رَحْمَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّي فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ رَبِّي جَعَلَهُ دَكَّاءَ وَكَانَ وَعْدُ رَبِّي حَقًّا ﴿98 ﴾ وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ وَنُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَجَمَعْنَاهُمْ جَمْعًا ﴿99 ﴾ وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَرْضًا ﴿100﴾ الَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِي غِطَاءٍ عَنْ ذِكْرِي وَكَانُوا لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا ﴿101 ﴾

صدق الله العظيم.


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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته أخي الكريم إن ذي القرنين أحد أنبياء الله جعله الله خليفته في الأرض فمكن لهُ مُلكه وأتاه من كُل شيء سبباً ومنها أسباب المواصلات فأعد لجيشه جميع أسباب السفر براً وبحراً,وبما أن ذي القرنين يعلمُ أن الله جعلهُ خليفته في الأرض ويعلمُ أنه مسؤولٌ عن إنهاء الفساد فيها وإعلاء كلمة الله في جميع أنحاء الكرة الأرضية فقرر رحلتهُ الكُبرى حول الأرض نحو الأقطاب والبيان الحق لقوله تعالى

((وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا ))



Dear brother Peace be upon you and the mercy and blessings of Allah

"Zul-qarnain" one of The Allah's prophets, Allah(swt) made him his Vicegerent of mankind on earth, so Allah gives him power or authority to rule the lands ,and gives him the means and ways from everything ,such is the means of Transportation, So he prepaid for his army all the means of travel by land and sea, and since
"Zul-qarnain" knows that Allah (swt) made him his Vicegerent of mankind on earth and also he knows that he is responsible for ending the corruption on earth,
And uphold the word of Allah in all parts of the globe, by that he decided to do the biggest travel ever around the world toward the poles, and the right statement for the meaning of Allah words




((وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا))
and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.

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وهاهُنا أسباب السفر براً وبحراً وأسلحة القتال فأخذ معه جيشه الجرار وجهزه بجميع أسباب السفر في البر وفي البحر وجعل أسباب السفر براً تحملها أسباب السفر بحراً تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

((وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا))



Is the Means of travel by land and sea and Military weapons, so he was taking with him the massive army, and he equips it with all the means of travel overland and in the sea, and made the means of overland travel carried by the means of the travel in the sea according to Allah's word



((وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا))
and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.

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بمعنىَّ أنه أخذ معه جميع أسباب السفر بحراً وبراً وجيشه الجرار و ابتدأ رحلتهُ البحرية مُهتدياً في رحلته القطبية نحو الشمال الأرضي بالنجم القُطبي المسمار تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

((وَعَلامَاتٍ وَبِالنَّجْمِ هُمْ يَهْتَدُونَ))
صدق الله العظيم


This is meaning he was taking with him on his travel from all the means of transportation by sea and overland and his massive army, and starts his polar voyage guided in his travel by the polar star towards the north on the earth
According to Allah's words


(( وَعَلامَاتٍ وَبِالنَّجْمِ هُمْ يَهْتَدُونَ))
صدق الله العظيم
And marks and sign-posts; and by the stars (men) guide themselves.

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وتصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

((وَهُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ النُّجُومَ لِتَهْتَدُواْ بِهَا فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ))
صدق الله العظيم.



And according to Allah's word



((وَهُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ النُّجُومَ لِتَهْتَدُواْ بِهَا فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ))
صدق الله العظيم
It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know.

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وأخذ معه في رحلته هو وجيشه الجرار كُل شيء من أسباب السفر بحرا" وبراً وكُل ما يحتاجونه في رحلتهم ولذلك قال الله تعالى
( وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا)( فَأَتْبَعَ سَبَبًا )
صدق الله العظيم


And Taking with him on his travel and his massive military everything they are need, from all the means of travel and transportation by sea and overland, so that's why Allah says



(وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا)( فَأَتْبَعَ سَبَبًا )
صدق الله العظيم
We gave him the ways and the means to all ends,
One (such) way he followed

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فركبوا الفلك بسبب الإبحار بالسفر بحراً مُبتدأ برحلته البحرية نحو القطب الشمالى معتمداً على النجم القطبي المسمار وكانت رحلته بعد مرور كوكب النار بزمن والذي تسبب في ذوبان البحر المُتجمد شمالاً حتى انتهى برحلته البحرية في أبعد نقطة للغروب الشمسي عن القطب الجنوبي وذلك لأن الشمس حين تغرب عن القطب الجنوبي فإنها تغرب عنه في القطب الشمالي في العين الحمئة عند البوابة الشمالية بالقطب الشمالي منتهى الغروب للشمس شمالاً بأطراف الأرض شمالاً فوجدها تغرب في عينٍ حمئة في البوابة الشمالية ووجد عندها المُفسدين في الأرض وهم يأجوج ومأجوج ولذلك قال الله تعالى عنهم

(( وَوَجَدَ عِنْدَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَنْ تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَنْ تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا ))صدق الله العظيم.


So they embark the ship for sailing to travel by sea,begins his voyage
Toward the North Pole relied on the polar star position, and his travel was after Nibiru planet by time crossed far away from earth, and that lead to Melting of Arctic sea north, until he reaches in his travel by sea The furthest point of the sunset on the South Pole, This is because when the sun sets on the South Pole,
It sets in the Arctic in
ayen hame'a
"عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ"
At the north gate in North Pole, Ultimate sunset of the sun Parties to the earth northerly, "Zul-qarnain" found it set in
ayen hame'a
"عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ"
in the north gate,
And found there the mischief on earth the Gog and Magog, so Allah(swt) said about them


((وَوَجَدَ عِنْدَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَنْ تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَنْ تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا))
صدق الله العظيم
He found a group of Gog and Magog: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

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وبما أن رحلة ذي القرنين كانت رحلة دعوية وجهادية في سبيل الله ويدعو إلى الإسلام ولم تكن رحلة فُسحة ولذلك كان رده بالحق وقال

))قَالَ أَمَّا مَنْ ظَلَمَ فَسَوْفَ نُعَذِّبُهُ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّ إِلَى رَبِّهِ فَيُعَذِّبُهُ عَذَابًا نُكْرًا وَأَمَّا مَنْ آمَنَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُ جَزَاءً الْحُسْنَى وَسَنَقُولُ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِنَا يُسْرًا))
صدق الله العظيم


And since the trip of "Zul-qarnain" was a trip of "jihad" "fight" for the seek of Allah, and to call for Islam, and it wasn’t a trip of enjoyment, so his answer
Was with right and said


قَالَ أَمَّا مَنْ ظَلَمَ فَسَوْفَ نُعَذِّبُهُ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِ فَيُعَذِّبُهُ عَذَابًا نُكْرًا [١٨:٨٧]
He said: "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).

وَأَمَّا مَنْ آمَنَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُ جَزَاءً الْحُسْنَىٰ ۖ وَسَنَقُولُ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِنَا يُسْرًا [١٨:٨٨]
"But whoever believes, and works righteousness,- he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as We order it by our Command."

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ولكن يأجوج ومأجوج الشياطين تظاهروا له بالإسلام والصلاح كعادة شياطين البشر كذِباً ونفاقاً وترك سبيلهم ولم يدخل من البوابة الشمالية بعد أن أعلنوا إسلامهم وصلاحهم ثم لم يدخل أرضهم ثم اتبع سبباً فواصل رحلته على السطح حتى بلغ مطلع الشمس بالبوابة الجنوبية المشرق الأقصى

(وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ لَمْ نَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِهَا سِتْرًا )


But the devils Gog and Magog they pretended to him that they entered in Islam and in righteousness but they are Liars and Hypocritical as like the habit of the devil human being, and he leaves their way and didn’t enter the north gate after they declare them self's as a Muslims and as a goodness, by that he didn’t Invade
The land where Gog and Magog are living, then next he follow the means of travel
And continue his trip on the surface of the earth until he reaches the south gate the far east, where the sun is rising,


وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَىٰ قَوْمٍ لَمْ نَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِهَا سِتْرًا [١٨:٩٠]
He found it rising on a people for whom we had provided no covering protection against the sun

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وأولئك قوم في البوابة الجنوبية وإذا غربت الشمس عنهم أشرقت عليهم من البوابة الشمالية بمعنى أنها لا تغيب عنهم الشمس فإذا غربت عنهم أشرقت عليهم من البوابة المُقابلة كما رأيتم ذلك في الصورة تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

((وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ لَمْ نَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِهَا سِتْرًا ))


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And those grope of people found in the south gate and if the Sun set outside the south gate, it will rise on them from inside the north gate which is mean where they live they never lose the sight of the sun, and so if the sun set inside the north gate it will rise in the other side as you Seen in the picture according to Allah's word

وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَىٰ قَوْمٍ لَمْ نَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِهَا سِتْرًا [١٨:٩٠]
He found it rising on a people for whom we had provided no covering protection against the sun

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فوجدعندها قوماً وأخبروه أنهم هربوا إلى البوابة الجنوبية بسبب فساد يأجوج ومأجوج في قلب الأرض ذات المشرقين وأخذهم معه وحاول أن يفهم لُغتهم ويفهمون لغته أثناء الطريق ولذلك كانوا هم المُترجمون لقومهم ما يقوله ذو القرنين فأتبع سبباً أي أخذ بأسباب السفر براً وذلك لأنه حمل خيوله بالفلك معه ليتخذها أسباب السفر براً وأخذهم معه حتى إذا وصلوا بين السدين بالمنتصف للأرض ذات المشرقين عند قومهم فأخبروا قومهم أن هذا ذي القرنين من الصالحين الذين يأمرون بالمعروف وينهون عن المُنكر ولذلك قالوا قومهُم

(( قَالُوا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِنَّ يَأْجُوجَ وَمَأْجُوجَ مُفْسِدُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَهَلْ نَجْعَلُ لَكَ خَرْجًا عَلَى أَنْ تَجْعَلَ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَهُمْ سَدًّا ((



And "Zul-qarnain" found a group of people in the south gate and they told him that they run way to the south gate because the mischief of the Gog and Magog in the center of the hollow earth "the two Easts land" and he take them with him and "Zul-qarnain" tried to understand their language and so they are during the moving in the road ,and those a group of people where "Zul-qarnain" found them in the south gate become the translators for their own peoples of what "Zul-qarnain" was saying ,and then he followed the means of travel by land that because he curried his horses by ships so he can make his horses a means of travel overland , and he takes with him those a group of people until they arrive in the middle of the hollow earth "the two Easts land " where the metallic great wall is supposed to be there after when it be build between each side of the hollow earth ,in that place in the middle of the hollow earth near to the south side there was the peoples which part of them a group was escaped to the south gate when "Zul-qarnain" met them there, the group of people who was travel with "Zul-qarnain" told their own people "who live near in the middle Of the hollow earth" that "Zul-qarnain " is a man of good who enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong ,so their own people "who live near in the middle Of the hollow earth said"

قَالُوا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِنَّ يَأْجُوجَ وَمَأْجُوجَ مُفْسِدُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَهَلْ نَجْعَلُ لَكَ خَرْجًا عَلَىٰ أَنْ تَجْعَلَ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَهُمْ سَدًّا [١٨:٩٤]
They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightiest erect a barrier between us and them?

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مُقابل أن يعطوه خراجاً ولكن ذي القرنين أخبرهم أنه لم يبحث عن المال والملك ولذلك
((قَالَ مَا مَكَّنِّي فِيهِ رَبِّي خَيْرٌ فَأَعِينُونِي بِقُوَّةٍ أَجْعَلْ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ رَدْمًا))


In exchange for giving him an tribute but the "Zul-qarnain" told them that his not Looking for money and properties therefore,

قَالَ مَا مَكَّنِّي فِيهِ رَبِّي خَيْرٌ فَأَعِينُونِي بِقُوَّةٍ أَجْعَلْ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ رَدْمًا [١٨:٩٥]
He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them


ولم يتأكد ذو القرنين من قولهم فيطلع على يأجوج ومأجوج لأنه قد وجدهم في رحلته الأولى عند البوابة الشمالية وعلم ذو القرنين أن الأرض مفتوحة من الأطراف ولذلك قرر أن يجعل بينهم وبين هؤلاءِ القوم ردماً عظيماً وأعانوه بقوةٍ وبنوا هم و ذو القرنين ومن معه السد العظيم ذو إرتفاع شاهق ولكن السد من جهته الشمالية لم يبنيه بزاوية مُستقيمة بل مُنفرجة قليلاً وذلك حتى يذيبوا المادة المعدنية فيدرؤوها من أعلاه فيتدحرج المعدِن المُذاب إلى أسفل السد فيُشكل كالمِرآة على الجانب للسد من جهة الشمال فجعل على جانب السد من الجهة الشمالية المادة المعدنية المُذابة حتى تمنع يأجوج ومأجوج من خرقه وكذلك جعلته المادة المعدنية أملس من جهة الشمال حتى لا يستطيعوا أن يظهروه إلى أعلاه ليهبطوا عليهم وكذلك لم يستطيعوا له نقباً برغم مُحاولات يأجوج ومأجوج للظهور إلى أعلى السد فلم يستطيعوا وكذلك حاول يأجوج وماجوج أن يخرقوه فلم يستطيعوا له نقباً تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

((فَمَا اسْطَاعُوا أَنْ يَظْهَرُوهُ وَمَا اسْتَطَاعُوا لَهُ نَقْبًا))صدق الله العظيم




But "Zul-qarnain" didn’t check to see if what they saying were true, to have a look on Gog and magog because he found Gog and magog in his first trip in the north gate and he knew that hollow earth is opened from Ends "north gate reaches the south gate from inside the hollow earth"
And So"Zul-qarnain" decided to build between them and Gog and Magog a great metallic wall in the middle of the hollow earth to keep Gog and Magog separated from those people who live in the south side area of the metallic wall, and they help him with strength to build the high altitude wall with by them and by "Zul-qarnain",but the wall in north side "Zul-qarnain" didn’t build it in a straight angle, But a bit obtuse , so they can melt the metallic material by spilled it above the wall to roll the melted material to the bottom of the wall and eventually to get a shape like mirror In the side of the wall toward north, so he makes the side of the wall toward north Filled with the melted metallic material to forbid Gog and Magog from breaking through the wall and also the metallic material make the wall toward north slick So Gog and Magog can not climb the wall and reach the top to descend On them, and also they couldn’t drill it, even though Gog and magog with all the attempts of claiming the wall for reaching to the top but they couldn't succeed, according to Allah words



فَمَا اسْطَاعُوا أَنْ يَظْهَرُوهُ وَمَا اسْتَطَاعُوا لَهُ نَقْبًا [١٨:٩٧]
Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.

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ثم علمهم ذو القرنين أن ميقات نهاية هذا السد سينتهي بمرور كوكب النار المرة الآتية وقد جاء موعدها تصديقا" للوعد الحق وقال

(( قَالَ هَذَا رَحْمَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّي فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ رَبِّي جَعَلَهُ دَكَّاءَ وَكَانَ وَعْدُ رَبِّي حَقًّا ﴿98 ﴾ وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ وَنُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَجَمَعْنَاهُمْ جَمْعًا ﴿99 ﴾ وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَرْضًا ﴿100﴾ الَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِي غِطَاءٍ عَنْ ذِكْرِي وَكَانُوا لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا ﴿101﴾صدق الله العظيم.


After that "Zul-qarnain" informed them the deadline time of the great metallic wall will be destroyed when the hell Planet "niburi" passing near to the earth in the next time and that time is came now, according to the true promise from Allah for that day and said


قَالَ هَٰذَا رَحْمَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّي ۖ فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ رَبِّي جَعَلَهُ دَكَّاءَ ۖ وَكَانَ وَعْدُ رَبِّي حَقًّا [١٨:٩٨]
He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."
وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ ۖ وَنُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَجَمَعْنَاهُمْ جَمْعًا [١٨:٩٩]
On that day we shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.
وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَرْضًا [١٨:١٠٠]
And we shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-
الَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِي غِطَاءٍ عَنْ ذِكْرِي وَكَانُوا لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا [١٨:١٠١]
(Unbelievers) whose eyes had been under a veil from remembrance of me, and who had been unable even to hear.


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وها هي قد أوشكت كوكب النار سقر أن تظهر للبشر لأنها لواحةٌ للبشر فتُعرض عليهم من حين إلى آخر بعد أمد بعيد وسوف تذوب الأقطاب بسبب مرور كوكب النار فهي التي ستساعد على إطفاء الأرض المُحترقة بسبب مرور كوكب النار ويوم مرور كوكب النار سيبدأ الرحلة إليكم المسيح الدجال مع قومه يأجوج و مأجوج وقومٌ آخرين بالجهة المُقابلة أجبرهم للخروج معه إلى البشر للفتنة للأحياء والأموات تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ


And here it is the coming of the hell planet "sakar" became very near to appear to the people because it is frequently appearing to mankind, so it being showed on them from time to time after long period, and the poles will be melted Due to the passage of Planet Fire, and the melted poles which will help To extinguish the burning earth which caused also from the passage of Planet Fire, and the day the planet fire will pass the earth ,the antichrist "Satan" will be start his trip to you people with his Groups of army "Gog and Magog" coming from the north gate and in the south gate other group of race Satan forced them to come out with him to the surface where the human race are living to Sedition, for the living and the dead
According to Allah exalted words


وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ [١٨:٩٩]
On that day we shall leave them to surge like waves on one another


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ومن ثم يأتي البعث الأول تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

(وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ وَنُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَجَمَعْنَاهُمْ جَمْعًا ﴿99 ﴾ وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَرْضًا ﴿100﴾ الَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِي غِطَاءٍ عَنْ ذِكْرِي وَكَانُوا لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا ﴿101﴾صدق الله العظيم


Accordingly the first resurrection will be coming
As the word of Allah exalted



وَتَرَكْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَمُوجُ فِي بَعْضٍ ۖ وَنُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَجَمَعْنَاهُمْ جَمْعًا [١٨:٩٩]
On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.
وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَرْضًا [١٨:١٠٠]
And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-
الَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِي غِطَاءٍ عَنْ ذِكْرِي وَكَانُوا لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا [١٨:١٠١]
(Unbelievers) whose eyes had been under a veil from remembrance of me, and who had been unable even to hear.

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وذلك البعث الأول مربوط سره بهدم سد ذي القرنين وخروج يأجوج ومأجوج فيبعث الله إليكم كافة الكُفار الذين كذبوا برسُل ربهم ولكن رجوعهم مربوط بهدم سد ذي القرنين وخروج يأجوج و مأجوج تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

وَحَرَامٌ عَلَى قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا أَنَّهُمْ لا يَرْجِعُونَ. حَتَّى إِذَا فُتِحَتْ يَأْجُوجُ وَمَأْجُوجُ وَهُم مِّن كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنسِلُونَ
صدق الله العظيم



And the secret of that first resurrection related to the "Zul-qarnain" wall destruction
And the Gog and Magog exodus, according to Allah exalted words



وَحَرَامٌ عَلَىٰ قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا أَنَّهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُونَ [٢١:٩٥]
But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed: that they shall not return,
حَتَّىٰ إِذَا فُتِحَتْ يَأْجُوجُ وَمَأْجُوجُ وَهُمْ مِنْ كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنْسِلُونَ [٢١:٩٦]
Until the Gog and Magog are let through (their barrier), and they reproduce from each race

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والبيان الحق لقوله تعالى

وَهُم مِّن كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنسِلُونَ
صدق الله العظيم


And the right interpretation of the Allah words

وَهُمْ مِنْ كُلِّ حَدَبٍ يَنْسِلُونَ [٢١:٩٦]
And they reproduce from each race

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أي من كل جنس من الجن والإنس ولا قانون زواج لديهم أبداً فالمرأة زوجة للجميع المهم حتى لا نخرج عن الموضوع ونعود للبعث الأول المربوط بخروج يأجوج و مأجوج وخروج يأجوج و مأجوج مربوط بمرور كوكب النار وعد الله الحق فيجعله دكاً وكان وعد ربي حقاً وسوف يستغل إبليس المسيح الكذاب ولم يكن المسيح عيسى إبن مريم بل هو كذاب وما كان لإبن مريم أن يقول ماليس له بحق بل مُفتري مُنتحل شخصية المسيح عيسى إبن مريم صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم ولذلك يُسمى المسيح المفتري بالمسيح الكذاب وهو ذاته إبليس الشيطان الرجيم الذي قال رب أنظرني إلى يوم يُبعثون ذلك يوم البعث الأول ويريد أن يستغله و يأتي ليقول لكم هذا هو البعث الموعود وأنا الله ربكم الأعلى فأما النار فقد رأيتموها مرت أمام وجوهكم وأما جنتكم الموعودة فقد جعلتها باطن أرضكم وفيها الحور العين بل هن شيطانيات خبيثات للخبيثين منكم من نسل اليهود الذين غيروا خلق الله وعبدوا الطاغوت وكذب عدو الله فأما النار فهي النار حقاً نار الله الموقدة وهي لواحة للبشر من عصر إلى آخر وأما الجنة فهي جنةٌ لله من تحت الثرى في الأرض التي وضعها الله للراحة للأنام و استخلف فيها أبويكم من قبل تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

(( وَالْأَرْضَ وَضَعَهَا لِلْأَنَامِ (10) فِيهَا فَاكِهَةٌ وَالنَّخْلُ ذَاتُ الْأَكْمَامِ (11) وَالْحَبُّ ذُو الْعَصْفِ وَالرَّيْحَانُ (12) فَبِأَيِّ آلَاء رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ (13)صدق الله العظيم


It means they reproduce from each race of the human and the "jinn", and they don’t have a marriage low ever, due that woman is a wife for all considered to them, anyway let's back to our important point in order not to change the subject,
And we back to the first resurrection subject which is related to the Gog and Magog exodus and that also is related to the passage of Planet Fire the Allah's promise with right, shall smash the great wall , and the promise of my Lord is true, and Satan
"Antichrist" which is by the way never was the Jesus sun of marry, on contrary
Satan is a liar, and Jesus sun of marry would never say what is not true about himself, but the fact is Satan is Calumniator and Impersonator the personality
Of the Jesus sun of marry, so that's why he has been called the Antichrist, and he is himself the Demon "Eblees" The accursed Satan, that once said to Allah ,
"My God, Give me respite till the day they are raised up" the day of the first resurrection, and he want to use that day to come to you and say
"This is the promised day the resurrection day and I'm your god and about the hell you have seen it passed in front of your faces and about the promised heaven I made it inside your earth, which contains the beautiful females "hor ayan"
But they are actuality impure females demeans for some of your impure males "human" from descendants of the Jews "part of them", those who had changed Allah's Creation and worship the devil, and he was lying the enemy of Allah "Antichrist"
But the truth is that the hell is really the hell itself, the fire of Allah the ignited
Frequently appears to mankind from one age to another, and about the heaven
It's Allah's heaven From beneath the earth "hollow earth", Allah put it there
For resting and Allah made your father "Adam" his Vicegerent on it before long time ago, according to Allah words


وَالْأَرْضَ وَضَعَهَا لِلْأَنَامِ [٥٥:١٠]
It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
فِيهَا فَاكِهَةٌ وَالنَّخْلُ ذَاتُ الْأَكْمَامِ [٥٥:١١]
Therein is fruit and date-palms, producing spathes (enclosing dates);
وَالْحَبُّ ذُو الْعَصْفِ وَالرَّيْحَانُ [٥٥:١٢]
Also corn, with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder, and sweet-smelling plants.
فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ [٥٥:١٣]
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

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وتلك جنة لله في الأرض ذات المشرقين وذات المغربين وربها الله وليس إبليس الشيطان الرجيم بل ربها الله الحق تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

((رَبُّ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ وَرَبُّ الْمَغْرِبَيْن))صدق الله العظيم



And hollow earth is Allah's heaven on earth,"the land of two east and two wests"
And who created it are Allah and Allah who are really own it not the devil "Antichrist" The accursed Satan,


رَبُّ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ وَرَبُّ الْمَغْرِبَيْنِ [٥٥:١٧]
(He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:

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وتلك جنة الله في الأرض من تحت الثرى في باطن أرضكم وهي لله وليست لعدوه اللدود المسيح الكذاب تصديقاً لقول الله تعالى

(﴿ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا وَمَا تَحْتَ الثَّرَى )﴾صدق الله العظيم


And that heaven in the earth underneath the soil inside your lands,
And it's be owned by Allah, not to the his most enemy "Antichrist"
According to Allah words



لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا وَمَا تَحْتَ الثَّرَىٰ [٢٠:٦]
To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil



Edited by mrbasserby, 01 May 2013 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 03:48 PM

What is the point of this thread?  Are you trying to provide evidence that this "Mahdi" is coming or is here?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 01 May 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

What is the point of this thread?  Are you trying to provide evidence that this "Mahdi" is coming or is here?

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not just that if you are not Muslim you would not care about Mahdi appearance what I'm trying  to do is let you see the big picture collect the unsolved puzzle to truly realize what is really going on in this world Especially the unexplained mysteries ..


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

View Postmrbasserby, on 01 May 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

not just that if you are not Muslim you would not care about Mahdi appearance what I'm trying  to do is let you see the big picture collect the unsolved puzzle to truly realize what is really going on in this world Especially the unexplained mysteries ..

Ok, I'm not getting that at all from your posts.  

Maybe its me.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:10 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 30 April 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Perhaps Atheism is a route to a personal, and doctrine free, relationship with God?
A God-free relationship with God even ;)
I'm of the opinion that all belief systems are describing the indescribable anyway (that hoary old thing of the blind men describing an elephant).
"The details of belief matter only to those to whom the details of belief are their foundation.  With no foundation one is free, not poured in concrete.  Things like love and compassion and benevolence and forgiveness and gentleness and mindfulness and happiness flow."

(Loose translation -- more like paraphrase -- of a medieval Vietnamese poet I memorized once but have forgotten his name).  It came to me when you made the point of God and God-free being the same.  They are details.  The Islamic and Christian "foundation" is just so alien to my way of thinking I have trouble even understanding it, let alone forgiving it, although of course I do).


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The Quran says the Mahdi will come from Syria and defeat the army from the West.


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View PostGiant Killer B, on 01 May 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

The Quran says the Mahdi will come from Syria and defeat the army from the West.
I thought the "black flags" would come from Khorasan?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:52 PM

no no no the Qur'an never mentioned where the Mahdi will come it's narratives ( al sunna ) talked about the Mahdi appearance but you see this is the problem  the narratives is Questionable not necessary provide a truthful informations only these that don't disagree with Qur'an statements will be trustful narratives resources ..

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:23 PM

View Postmrbasserby, on 01 May 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

no no no the Qur'an never mentioned where the Mahdi will come it's narratives ( al sunna ) talked about the Mahdi appearance but you see this is the problem  the narratives is Questionable not necessary provide a truthful informations only these that don't disagree with Qur'an statements will be trustful narratives resources ..
But the Qur'an without the Sunna and Hadiths is not the whole picture of what Muslims believe, is it?

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