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Satanism: Another look at the spiritual "war"

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#1    Arpee

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:01 AM

There are many forms of Satanism and Luciferianism out there. I am only speaking of what I researched and my interpretation.

Most people would probably say "Why would someone choose Satan over God?". They ask this question because they already have beliefs about what "God" and "Satan" is. Obviously, Satanists do not see "God" and "Satan" in the same way as "God" believers do.

To God-believers, Satan is an evil being against God and God is seen as being stronger than Satan.

To Satanists, Satan is represents opposition to control and is seen as being Natural and therefore more powerful and reoccurring.

God is a force of Unity (which some may refer to as "Harmony" or "Love"). Unity forces the individual to give up its individuality and to do whatever the groups tells him or her to do. Unity, in this sense, is indeed control. The Unity of God however, is servitude. God is the Unity/Love itself and those within it are being control by God (the force of the Unity/Love) to do whatever it wants.

Satan is a force of Diversity (Which some may refer to as "Individuality" or "Difference/Change"). Diversity manifests itself by forming individuals and keeping these individuals growing in their preferences/choices in order to keep the differences alive. In this sense, it is true that Satan is indeed a force of Separation.

When God and Satan clashes into each other, it creates Conflict, Wars, Arguments.

Conflicts (Wars, Fights, Hatred) is the result of Differences (Satan) trying to be forced into Sameness or Unity (God). If one of these two are chosen whether it be God or Satan, then things will be more peaceful, here is how:

If everybody would be the same in Unity (God) then there would be no Conflicts.

Likewise, if everybody would just accept that we're all different (Satan) then there would be no Conflicts.

Conflicts comes from the need to Control. Hatred, Anger, Sadness means that you are disappointed because things are not as you wish for them to be. Accepting that we are all different and don't have to be the same will help get rid of this Hatred, Anger, and Sadness towards others.

Likewise, if everybody were exactly the same under Unity/God sacrificing their individuality, then there would be no need to "want" anything, no room to "expand" , and no disappointed because everything is already decided to be the same.

So, this is why Satanists choose Satan. It is about taking the other side of the force - freedom over control.

What do you think about everything I've said here (especially in the regards to war)?

Love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the ungrateful and to the evil. - Luke 6:35

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:35 AM

There really is no war being fought at all. War implies there are two willing participants. Satanists/Luciferians quite frankly couldn't care less what anyone else believed, unless they were genuinely interested in their beliefs. There is only really a one sided fight, Godmongers believing that they themselves are the wrath of God, and they must attack and disrespect all who oppose God.

It is a given though, when you have any two people with strong beliefs and total faith in those beliefs.. As long as they respect each other you will notice no conflict, but as soon as one crosses the line... Well, there's conflict.

Q: Am I a Satanist?
A: Absolutely not.

Q:Would Godmongers call me a Satanist?
A: Absolutely.

Q:Do I specifically care what they believe?
A: Not in the least, they can think that I am Satan himself for all I care... Now, the second they decide to make offensive statements, or accusations of which actually effect me... Then I care.

Q:Have I ever actually become violent over my beliefs being disrespected?
A:Not in the least.

Edited by xFelix, 23 June 2013 - 04:36 AM.

My posts consist of my opinions, beliefs, and experiences, feel free to disagree in a respectful manner.

I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

So long as we respect each other's beliefs, we won't have a single problem.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 07:50 AM

To be as "free" as Satanism seems to imply, then there would be no restraint on behavior at all.  It's an interesting thesis but I really think it does not account for the fractiousness and destructiveness of an unbridled human nature.  There is a such thing as true evil in the world.  Ask the parents of the little 8 year old girl raped and murdered in Florida recently by a sex offender.  Not saying this person was a Satanist.  Just that he probably felt the need to be totally "free" in his actions as well.....

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:13 AM

To worship Satan (whatever "worship" might possibly mean) strikes me as being deliberately perverse and obnoxious, just for the sake of getting a rise out of superstitious people.  Either that or its the height of superstition itself.

Satan was the creation of the Zoroastrians, picked up by the Jews during the Exile and linked with their "Shatan" that we see in the Book of Job, later made into a Christian version of Pan with cloven hooves and horns.  In short, he has a colorful history, but no such being ever actually existed, and I think deep down almost everyone now understands that.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:15 AM

View Postand then, on 23 June 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

To be as "free" as Satanism seems to imply, then there would be no restraint on behavior at all.  It's an interesting thesis but I really think it does not account for the fractiousness and destructiveness of an unbridled human nature.  There is a such thing as true evil in the world.  Ask the parents of the little 8 year old girl raped and murdered in Florida recently by a sex offender.  Not saying this person was a Satanist.  Just that he probably felt the need to be totally "free" in his actions as well.....
The sociopath is typically free of such ethical or emotional constraints.  They need to be identified for the sake of society.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:52 AM

View PostxFelix, on 23 June 2013 - 04:35 AM, said:

There really is no war being fought at all. War implies there are two willing participants. Satanists/Luciferians quite frankly couldn't care less what anyone else believed, unless they were genuinely interested in their beliefs.

The "war" is subtle. If there is a group trying to force everyone to believe in God in their way to have sameness/unity (like controlling religions), then of course Satanists and those who believe in Individuality would have to go against that because it's something that directly opposes free-will and individuality.

View Postand then, on 23 June 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

To be as "free" as Satanism seems to imply, then there would be no restraint on behavior at all.  It's an interesting thesis but I really think it does not account for the fractiousness and destructiveness of an unbridled human nature.  There is a such thing as true evil in the world.  Ask the parents of the little 8 year old girl raped and murdered in Florida recently by a sex offender.  Not saying this person was a Satanist.  Just that he probably felt the need to be totally "free" in his actions as well.....

Not "feeling" free, but using free-will, and if you actually believed in free-will you would not be raping and murdering people. *SOME* people who choose to be Satanists just do so to take an opposition to mainstream religions or because they are taught that Satan is evil and therefore they use Satanism as they label to hide behind and do harmful things. Satanism is about selfishness, individuality, and free-will. To control others is against individuality and definitely against free-will.


View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

To worship Satan (whatever "worship" might possibly mean) strikes me as being deliberately perverse and obnoxious, just for the sake of getting a rise out of superstitious people.  Either that or its the height of superstition itself.

Who says that their doing it just to get a rise out of superstitious people? Maybe some, but not all.

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

Satan was the creation of the Zoroastrians, picked up by the Jews during the Exile and linked with their "Shatan" that we see in the Book of Job, later made into a Christian version of Pan with cloven hooves and horns.  In short, he has a colorful history, but no such being ever actually existed, and I think deep down almost everyone now understands that.

Not really, it is true that some identify Ahriman (God of darkness) with Satan, but did you know some even associate him with Yahweh? By the way, Satan is much older than that since some associate it him with Set (God of Darkness and Chaos) or they associate Satan with the darkness itself (Abzu, Chaos, Nu) which would mean that Satan is as old as religion itself.

A red being with horns and tails represents nature (Horns/Tails) and passion (redness).

Satan does exist, and does not exist depending on how you choose to define the word. If "Satan" means "adversary" as in an enemy of Yahweh/God, then many "Satan" spirits exist. If "Satan" means "The Devil" a powerful force of evil against "God/Yahweh" then I would say Satan still exists because there is two main ways of looking at stuff (As we know Yin-Yang, Darkness-Light, Selfishness-Servitude, etc.)

Love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the ungrateful and to the evil. - Luke 6:35

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:05 PM

Yea that's what I said.  Either they are damn superstitious themselves or they are doing it to get a rise out of the superstitious.

Anyone who believes in an anthropomorphized personalization of evil, let alone who "worships" it, qualifies as superstitious, at a minimum.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:20 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

Yea that's what I said.  Either they are damn superstitious themselves or they are doing it to get a rise out of the superstitious.

Anyone who believes in an anthropomorphized personalization of evil, let alone who "worships" it, qualifies as superstitious, at a minimum.

"evil" is an opinion - a label. One man's "evil" may be another man's "good". People are apply different labels (good/evil) to the same actions. By the way, I never said anything about Satan being an "anthropomorphized". Satan is a force, as is God. Jesus is an individual. I doubt the entirety of these forces can be in one body. Even Christians will admit that Jesus is not 100% God but 1/3 of God in the trinity.

Love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the ungrateful and to the evil. - Luke 6:35

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:24 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

Yea that's what I said.  Either they are damn superstitious themselves or they are doing it to get a rise out of the superstitious.

Anyone who believes in an anthropomorphized personalization of evil, let alone who "worships" it, qualifies as superstitious, at a minimum.
What's the issue with superstition? Most people are superstitous in one way or another, so why are you presenting it as some sort of problem when it is actually a world spread phenomena that has saved countless lives? Superstition has a long history of preventing wars, resolving conflicts between people, and even providing peaceful environments for people to flourish..

Anyone who truly believes in free will would also believe that others also should be given free will. Therefor anyone who believes they can do as they wish, would not do as they wish onto others in a hurtful manner because it would be impeding on their free will. I'm tired of hearing this ridiculous argument saying "so you can murder people?!", no they can't. What they can do is whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with others' abilities to do what they want.

By the way: No, most who decide to worship a different deity are not doing so to be repulsive. They are doing it because they believe in that deity and what it has to offer.

My posts consist of my opinions, beliefs, and experiences, feel free to disagree in a respectful manner.

I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

So long as we respect each other's beliefs, we won't have a single problem.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:26 PM

I said that I think that deep down almost everyone understands that there is nothing like Satan.  Obviously that is only "almost" everyone.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:27 PM

That you are free to worship anything you want to worship doensn't mean you have to.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:33 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

I said that I think that deep down almost everyone understands that there is nothing like Satan.  Obviously that is only "almost" everyone.

Again, how are you defining "Satan"? If you are defining it as a "Pure Evil" that exists, then yea, I would say under that definition Satan doesn't exist since "Evil" is a label and people have many different labels for the same thing. One man's "good" is another man's "evil".

By Satan I mean a force of Change and Difference.

By God I mean a force of "Unity" which most would call "Love" - that I see as control.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:35 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

I said that I think that deep down almost everyone understands that there is nothing like Satan.  Obviously that is only "almost" everyone.
See this is where you are wrong Frank, the largest portion of the world's religions today completely disagree with you. Most people believe in Satan, they just believe in him as the super villain where others believe him to be the hero.

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

That you are free to worship anything you want to worship doensn't mean you have to.
The simple act of posting that statement is repulsive. You are free to use your mind and understand why, but you don't have to.

My posts consist of my opinions, beliefs, and experiences, feel free to disagree in a respectful manner.

I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

So long as we respect each other's beliefs, we won't have a single problem.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:39 PM

Well, Arpee avoids the issue by redefining Satan.  To me what he says is not what "Satan" means, and he will generally be misunderstood as a result.

XFelix, however, persists with a more conventional understanding, and seems to think that I am repulsive if I use my mind and understand it is all absurd.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostArpee, on 23 June 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Satan is much older than that since some associate it him with Set (God of Darkness and Chaos)
Though many would not equate Set with this mythical "Satan". Set does not serve the same function and he is not an "evil" counterpart to Osiris or Horus, though he is generally not a great person to know. More like a creepy sinister uncle, as the young Horus found out, but not "Satan".






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