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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

You're stringing a lot of things together that aren't necessarily connected.  Correlation does not indicate cause-and-effect.

There is reason to believe that the worship of Yahweh, was influenced by Egyptian worship of bovines (e.g.:  The "golden calf" of the Exodus probably happened about the time the Apis cult became established in Egypt, give or take a few decades, and Hathor, whose temple graces the northeast slope of Mount Horeb (Gebel Ghorabi - the "Mountain of God"), was often represented with a cow's ears, a tribute to the cow's mothering of her calf.), but that is about as far as it goes.

If there is a connection between storms on Saturn and developments on earth, it is not a physical one, and hence, purely speculative.

It will take a lot of work to unravel the belief system you're speculating about and I'm not sure the archeological finds needed to support a conclusion have been made.  At any rate, it will be a big job - have fun with that.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 27 January 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

By an accident of history, the tribal god of a minor people has come to be seen by billions as God.
Believe me when I tell you that it was by no 'accident' this happened. It was and still is religious genocide against the pagan beliefs which were the True beliefs of spirituality in Mankind.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

I have often wondered why middle eastern mythology is so much more important than say Hopie or Charokee.... Or Mabey Nordic.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

View Postsrd44, on 27 January 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

This is a pretty timely post. I just posted about Yahweh and El over at my website, with the lead in question: Is Yahweh and El the same god or different gods? (contradictions #27). The various textual traditions that now make up what later generation of readers labeled "the Bible" answers affirmative to BOTH. I would love to get some discussion about this over here contradictionsinthebible.com

El was the Canaaite highgod of the pantheon. Deut 32:8-9 presents Yahweh as under El ! I discuss this in my post. Yes, the Bull was an El symbol that Yahweh incorporated, as where many other El epithets absorbed by Yahweh. The Priestly writer comes out and declares in Ex 6:2-3 (you need a trans that is faithful to the Hebrew) that Yahweh appeared to the patriarchs as El !!

The ideas that the Bull is Satan, like the serpent as Satan, are later ides. You can't retroject meanings of later timeperiods to earlier time periods, although this is exactly what happens in the public's reading of the texts that came to be labeled as the Bible.
Interesting post, thank you.

Nada in Sanskrit means "a roaring sound", it also means "a roaring bull". Nada is used to denote the "stream of consciousness", the relationship between sound and consciousness.

Bulls are found in Paleolithic cave paintings (the stone age 750,000 years ago), their life force to be considered magickal. There existed a Bull Cult as early as the Neolithic age (10,000 BC). The bull was seen in the constellation Taurus by the Chalcolithic and had marked the new year at springtide by the Bronze Age, for 4000–1700 BCE. In Mesopotamian texts the Bull of Heaven is ceremonially killed by Gilgamesh as an act of defience of the gods! In Egypt the Apis bull was the Ka (Egyptian concept of life-force/power and the word for bull) of gods Ptah and Osiris.

The list of the Divine Bull (who's horns form the goddess' crescent moon) goes on and on throughout religious/spiritual history and comes to a screeching halt with Judeo-Christianity and its demonizing of the Sacred Bull as horned devil and the Golden Calf Idol.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 27 January 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Interesting post, thank you.

The list of the Divine Bull (who's horns form the goddess' crescent moon) goes on and on throughout religious/spiritual history and comes to a screeching halt with Judeo-Christianity and its demonizing of the Sacred Bull as horned devil and the Golden Calf Idol.

Yep. Of the the tactics used, sucessfully, by the Israelites in carving their identity, was to create laws that prohibited what their enthic neighbros were doing of that singled them ot as unique, and conversely denegrating their neighbors deities to inferior status, and later to demons and devils, which was heavily adopted by the Christian movement.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

View PostCiss, on 27 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Hi 'sussexontheriver'

Are you sure the ancient writings in Job used the word "Devil" ?

I could have sworn that it use the noun form of the verb 'satan'....

I do like the book of Job, evidently this verb hiding in the noun "Satan" (or devil if you would like to call it that) was running to and fro in the earth trying to find someone like him/her self and wasn't having much luck so Jehovah says have you considered my servant Job? LOL! Jehovah is very helpful with these kinds of things, is not good to be alone.  accuser vs. accuser, debates never end because that is doing to others what one wants done unto them, can only end when one of them 'sees' Job ended by saying "I see you now" like looking in the mirror...

And it was so, when the days of [their] feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings [according] to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

It must have been very worrisome on Job to always be making amends for "it may be that my sons have sinned"  an accuser for an accuser...

I recant my statement after further research, and found that Satan could have very well be an angel at the time who stood before God as to help God judge the righteous. As you said, an accuser for an accuser.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

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Yep. Of the the tactics used, sucessfully, by the Israelites in carving their identity, was to create laws that prohibited what their enthic neighbros were doing of that singled them ot as unique, and conversely denegrating their neighbors deities to inferior status, and later to demons and devils, which was heavily adopted by the Christian movement.
Their still Doing it actually .

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:02 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 27 January 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Interesting post, thank you.

Nada in Sanskrit means "a roaring sound", it also means "a roaring bull". Nada is used to denote the "stream of consciousness", the relationship between sound and consciousness.

Bulls are found in Paleolithic cave paintings (the stone age 750,000 years ago), their life force to be considered magickal. There existed a Bull Cult as early as the Neolithic age (10,000 BC). The bull was seen in the constellation Taurus by the Chalcolithic and had marked the new year at springtide by the Bronze Age, for 4000–1700 BCE. In Mesopotamian texts the Bull of Heaven is ceremonially killed by Gilgamesh as an act of defience of the gods! In Egypt the Apis bull was the Ka (Egyptian concept of life-force/power and the word for bull) of gods Ptah and Osiris.

The list of the Divine Bull (who's horns form the goddess' crescent moon) goes on and on throughout religious/spiritual history and comes to a screeching halt with Judeo-Christianity and its demonizing of the Sacred Bull as horned devil and the Golden Calf Idol.

I wonder what the results would be if we compared the "sacrificial animals" that the peeps in the bible offered for their own sin offerings with that of the ancient pagan idols, would they match symbolically as to what the biblical peeps were doing in making all these pagan religions wrong and sinful?   Like the bull, it was a sin offering for the people, it took on their sin so they could be "righteous" (sin free) rather the bull was sinful or not it was made to be...the altar did have four horns located on each corner and they could be used for "salvation or protection" when needed, all you had to do was run into the temple and grab the horns...

You know God did stop Abraham short of actually mimicking one pagan religion of sacrificing one's own children...

The bible is designed to reveal our hearts and show just how much we pay attention to the things we do and are willing to do blindly...I hope there will always be someone there for me in those moments that will smack me up side my head and say "DUMBAZZ!" you need to pay yourself better attention! :P


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:59 AM

View PostCiss, on 27 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Are you sure the ancient writings in Job used the word "Devil" ?

I could have sworn that it use the noun form of the verb 'satan'....

Many Jews and Christians believe that Satan ("Adversary") in Job is the bad old devil himself. Strange that he and God sound like friends making a bar bet in the story.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:30 AM

View Postscowl, on 28 January 2013 - 02:59 AM, said:

Many Jews and Christians believe that Satan ("Adversary") in Job is the bad old devil himself. Strange that he and God sound like friends making a bar bet in the story.

It's Darth Sidious and Darth Vader :lol:

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:33 AM

View PostArpee, on 26 January 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

In the ancient language, the generic word for god was AL (could also be pronounced as "EL"). The A represents "Aleph" which is a symbol of a Ox's Head. This is the symbol of power, and it is also the number ONE (1). Ba'el means (Father of God[s]) and was a Bull God who had a son Yahweh (The Canaanite Bull God of War).Many people believe that ONE is the number of God, but it is rooted from the symbol of Aleph - The Ox Head of Power.

Yahweh hated his father Ba'el and this is why he did not want people to worship The Golden Bull which was a symbol of him. Yahweh also told people to see SATURNsday as The Holy Day. On the planet Saturn there seems to be a vortex of The Hexagram [1] and of The Eye [2]. Another symbol of Saturn is a cross-like symbol [3]. Saturn ate his own children and was called the god of the harvest. The bible talks about Yahweh/El (God of The Bible) and "The Harvest"! It also says that Jesus is a "Shepard" for the sheep, and you know what the shepard does, raise the sheep until they are big enough to be EATEN. Bethleham is of important and that means the house of bread. Another symbolism of harvesting crops/food. Saturn allows his children to be destroyed and look at this sacrifice of Jesus how it pleases Yahweh and is even used as a plea for people to be "forgiven" by him.

The so-called devil sign with the horns [4] is actually the symbol of the BULL'S horns.

The Egyptian God "Seth", was the god of darkness associated with the planet Saturn. Later called "Satan" by The Ancient Persians. The number 7 is The Number of Saturn. There are the 7 rings of Saturn. Saturn's Day is the 7th day of the week. 7 was considered the number of God / The Divine in many places for a long time. Knowing that Saturn / Kronos. Two animals that have been associated with Saturn is also The Owl and The Peacock (which makes even more of a connection with secret societies).

All of this Paganism is connected with the god of The Bible alone, now some of the stories have even more influences but I won't get into that as this is about the god Yahweh.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

View PostCiss, on 27 January 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I wonder what the results would be if we compared the "sacrificial animals" that the peeps in the bible offered for their own sin offerings with that of the ancient pagan idols, would they match symbolically as to what the biblical peeps were doing in making all these pagan religions wrong and sinful?   Like the bull, it was a sin offering for the people, it took on their sin so they could be "righteous" (sin free) rather the bull was sinful or not it was made to be...the altar did have four horns located on each corner and they could be used for "salvation or protection" when needed, all you had to do was run into the temple and grab the horns...

You know God did stop Abraham short of actually mimicking one pagan religion of sacrificing one's own children...
A similar and revealing story in the Christian bible is that of Job:

The Biblical Job, due to his confrontation with God's ruthless cruelty, will bring about a change in God's behavior and present us with a pinnacle of Luciferianism in that man has the ability to stand morally higher than God and thus the creature surpasses the creator!

In the Book of Job, God is challenged by ‘one of his sons' Satan. God abandons his faithful servant Job and lets him fall without pity into the abyss of physical and moral suffering by murdering his sons and daughters, taking away his livestock, and eventually making the shattered Job of ill and suffering health.

Job, is abandoned without protection and stripped of his rights, whose nothingness is thrown in his face at every opportunity. God's robbery, murder, bodily injury is premeditating and he even denies a fair trial. He shows no remorse, or compassion, but ruthlessness and brutality, he violates the very commandments he dictated to man on Mount Sinai.

What is the reasoning behind God the Almighty's resistance to such a little, puny, and defenseless man such as Job? There must be something which man has the ability to achieve, and this something is the very same something found in the Garden of Eden story with our hero Lucifer as Serpent. God sees in Job something of equal in power which causes him to bring out his whole arsenal of destruction and parade it before his opponent. God projects onto Job a sceptic's face which is hateful because it is his own, it questions his omnipotence.

The unconscious mind of Job sees correctly even when conscious reason is blind and impotent.
God's dual nature has been revealed. Job, in spite of his impotence, is set up by Satan to judge over God himself. God unwittingly raises Job's spiritual consciousness by humiliating him, and in doing so God pronounces judgment on himself and gives man moral satisfaction.

God's behavior is that of an unconscious being who cannot be judged morally. God is a phenomenon and, as Job says in the Bible, "not a man." Not human but, in certain respects, less than human, which is how God described the Archdemon of the West Leviathan.

Job realizes God's inner antinomy, and in the Luciferian Light of this gnosis his knowledge attains a divine numinosity . . . Job becomes like a god!

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 28 January 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

A similar and revealing story in the Christian bible is that of Job:

The Biblical Job, due to his confrontation with God's ruthless cruelty, will bring about a change in God's behavior and present us with a pinnacle of Luciferianism in that man has the ability to stand morally higher than God and thus the creature surpasses the creator!

In the Book of Job, God is challenged by ‘one of his sons' Satan. God abandons his faithful servant Job and lets him fall without pity into the abyss of physical and moral suffering by murdering his sons and daughters, taking away his livestock, and eventually making the shattered Job of ill and suffering health.

Job, is abandoned without protection and stripped of his rights, whose nothingness is thrown in his face at every opportunity. God's robbery, murder, bodily injury is premeditating and he even denies a fair trial. He shows no remorse, or compassion, but ruthlessness and brutality, he violates the very commandments he dictated to man on Mount Sinai.

What is the reasoning behind God the Almighty's resistance to such a little, puny, and defenseless man such as Job? There must be something which man has the ability to achieve, and this something is the very same something found in the Garden of Eden story with our hero Lucifer as Serpent. God sees in Job something of equal in power which causes him to bring out his whole arsenal of destruction and parade it before his opponent. God projects onto Job a sceptic's face which is hateful because it is his own, it questions his omnipotence.

The unconscious mind of Job sees correctly even when conscious reason is blind and impotent.
God's dual nature has been revealed. Job, in spite of his impotence, is set up by Satan to judge over God himself. God unwittingly raises Job's spiritual consciousness by humiliating him, and in doing so God pronounces judgment on himself and gives man moral satisfaction.

God's behavior is that of an unconscious being who cannot be judged morally. God is a phenomenon and, as Job says in the Bible, "not a man." Not human but, in certain respects, less than human, which is how God described the Archdemon of the West Leviathan.

Job realizes God's inner antinomy, and in the Luciferian Light of this gnosis his knowledge attains a divine numinosity . . . Job becomes like a god!

There will be . . . it's called your Higher Self / Dæmon :devil:

Why is Leviathan west? What is west representative of?
And thank you for sharing! Your post was most definitely an enlightening view from the opposite side of the spectrum...


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:21 AM

View PostCiss, on 29 January 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

Why is Leviathan west? What is west representative of?
And thank you for sharing! Your post was most definitely an enlightening view from the opposite side of the spectrum...
Leviathan is one of the Crown Princes of Hell and of the Element Water, which is the Cardinal Point of West, metaphoric of life & creation, represented by the Chalice (Cups of the Tarot).

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

View PostArpee, on 26 January 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

In the ancient language, the generic word for god was AL (could also be pronounced as "EL"). The A represents "Aleph" which is a symbol of a Ox's Head. This is the symbol of power, and it is also the number ONE (1). Ba'el means (Father of God[s]) and was a Bull God who had a son Yahweh (The Canaanite Bull God of War).Many people believe that ONE is the number of God, but it is rooted from the symbol of Aleph - The Ox Head of Power.

Yahweh hated his father Ba'el and this is why he did not want people to worship The Golden Bull which was a symbol of him. Yahweh also told people to see SATURNsday as The Holy Day. On the planet Saturn there seems to be a vortex of The Hexagram [1] and of The Eye [2]. Another symbol of Saturn is a cross-like symbol [3]. Saturn ate his own children and was called the god of the harvest. The bible talks about Yahweh/El (God of The Bible) and "The Harvest"! It also says that Jesus is a "Shepard" for the sheep, and you know what the shepard does, raise the sheep until they are big enough to be EATEN. Bethleham is of important and that means the house of bread. Another symbolism of harvesting crops/food. Saturn allows his children to be destroyed and look at this sacrifice of Jesus how it pleases Yahweh and is even used as a plea for people to be "forgiven" by him.

The so-called devil sign with the horns [4] is actually the symbol of the BULL'S horns.

The Egyptian God "Seth", was the god of darkness associated with the planet Saturn. Later called "Satan" by The Ancient Persians. The number 7 is The Number of Saturn. There are the 7 rings of Saturn. Saturn's Day is the 7th day of the week. 7 was considered the number of God / The Divine in many places for a long time. Knowing that Saturn / Kronos. Two animals that have been associated with Saturn is also The Owl and The Peacock (which makes even more of a connection with secret societies).

All of this Paganism is connected with the god of The Bible alone, now some of the stories have even more influences but I won't get into that as this is about the god Yahweh.


It gets really weird when you start linking  the ancient religions together and see weird connections. I found one once that blew me away kind of along the lines you are saying.  You got Lucifer known as the "Morning Star" in old testament. Then you have Jesus in the New Testament in revelations saying I am the bright and Morning Star!  Stars are angels not the Eternal One God.

There are many aspects of God that are worked through angels or powers just as they can be worked through man and nature. People get too caught up in the lesser deities angels, prophets, etc instead of trying to connect to the highest One which unifies all creation  with  Love.

That highest God IMO is eternal. I shall be what I shall be.  Everything created was created with a cycle of  birth growth decline and death and reproduction. Universes die and are born but  the cycle remains eternal and God made those natural and supernatural laws and is above them all and contains them.  His body is the place of creation and his Mind is the eternal being of existence and wisdom that unites the consciousness of all. The evolution of matter and light energy contain the evils of destruction by the eternal cycles of time that couldn't exist without it.

By the way, Aleph is 0 before it became 1 in gematria. That which was before any creation the source of all.

Religions seriously come in conflict through interpretations because God is something or no-thing  that can not be explained in words! Parables and symbols are telling the same stories but written by different interpreters' points of view.
You must know about the people and their background before you can really understand what their "moral of the story" is really trying to convey.

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